The World Series just cemented it in stone

[Desean12345]

Miguel Cabrera is another perennial playoff choke artist, just like Kershaw. Some players perform well under pressure, others don't.

 

[Desean12345]

Sample Noise- in the same way that Mike Moustakas > Miguel Cabrera- trufax.

Why are u bringing up shitty postseason players like Moustakas and Cabrera?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Why are u bringing up shitty postseason players like Moustakas and Cabrera?

Ok, Hosmer and his 1000 OPS in the postseason> Cabrera>Posey combined.

 

[Clayton]

Miguel Cabrera

He is a .278 playoff hitter. Pretty average...I wouldn't say he is a choke artist. Its a minor dip

 

[Desean12345]

Ok, Hosmer and his 1000 OPS in the postseason> Cabrera>Posey combined.

One postseason is to small of a sample size, especially for pitchers.

I was giving examples of two players in Kershaw and Bumgarner who have played in plenty of games in multiple postseasons.

Apples to Oranges comparison.

 

[navamind]

He is a .278 playoff hitter. Pretty average...I wouldn't say he is a choke artist. Its a minor dip

And his postseason OPS is .885. Since was that bad?

 

[Desean12345]

He is a .278 playoff hitter. Pretty average...I wouldn't say he is a choke artist. Its a minor dip

More bad playoff series then good one's, and he's been awful in 2 world series appearances.

 

[Desean12345]

And his postseason OPS is .885. Since was that bad?

He also has a higher OPS than Derek Jeter in the postseason.

But no one in their right mind would think Cabrera is better in the postseason then Jeter.

 

[Desean12345]

And his postseason OPS is .885. Since was that bad?

He does a good job of getting on base, which is nice. But he's hitting dominance in the regular season, doesn't carry over to the postseason.

Not even close.

 

[msgkings322]

He does a good job of getting on base, which is nice. But he's hitting dominance in the regular season, doesn't carry over to the postseason.

Not even close.

You're just completely falling for the SSS fallacy. Barry Bonds looked bad in the postseason until he wasn't in 2002. As of now, Kershaw has better regular season stats and worse post season ones. He will be back and I bet he pitches some good games. But Bum is a playoff legend and I know who I'd rather have in the playoffs.

In the regular season Kershaw is a bit better.

 

[StanMarsh51]

He does a good job of getting on base, which is nice. But he's hitting dominance in the regular season, doesn't carry over to the postseason.

Not even close.

Well he also faces much better pitching in the postseason on the whole than he does in the regular season.....there's a reason why you rarely see great hitters with large sample sizes hit as well in the playoffs.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Because it's a small sample size.

Maybe so, maybe not.

I think there is enough of a track record to raise the question of Kershaw's postseason stones. I'm not saying that I'm ready to declare him a choke artist, but it's not unreasonable to question him at this point.

 

[Desean12345]

Well he also faces much better pitching in the postseason on the whole than he does in the regular season.....there's a reason why you rarely see great hitters with large sample sizes hit as well in the playoffs.

Yes, the competition does stiffen, but he's the best hitter in the game. You gotta expect more from him when it matters most.

 

[Desean12345]

Maybe so, maybe not.

I think there is enough of a track record to raise the question of Kershaw's postseason stones. I'm not saying that I'm ready to declare him a choke artist, but it's not unreasonable to question him at this point.

At the very least. How can a player be so dominant in the regular season and then suck so badly in the postseason?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Maybe so, maybe not.

I think there is enough of a track record to raise the question of Kershaw's postseason stones. I'm not saying that I'm ready to declare him a choke artist, but it's not unreasonable to question him at this point.

One can certainly question his choice of pitches against the Cardinals, particularly in game 1, but I don't think that result, even so, is repeated once out of 100 times the way the Cardinals have dominated him... though that could be theoretically some weird schtick where the Cardinals just so happen to have a collection of hitters that see Kershaw well. It's certainly raises an eyebrow, but a choker label seems incredibly premature at this point in time knowing what kind of peculiarities we see in any given game, and the season at large-- which is built on anomalies to begin with.

 

[navamind]

At the very least. How can a player be so dominant in the regular season and then suck so badly in the postseason?

BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

 

[Fountain City Blues]

At the very least. How can a player be so dominant in the regular season and then suck so badly in the postseason?

The overwhelming probability is the SSS effect- the reverse is probably true for Bumgarner as well- though the run he had should be respected nonetheless as it was historically effective. MLB is almost nothing like the NBA or NFL in regards to playoffs building a player's legacy I would argue.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Why is Bumgarner sooooo much better than Kershaw when it matters most?

It's worth noting that prior to this post season, Bumgarner's postseason ERA was 3.79 - not bad by any means, but also not what we saw this year.

On the other hand, he's pitched in five world series games for 36 INN with a 0.25 ERA. That's fucking sick.

I consider myself a fan of both pitchers, and I think it's reasonable to discuss which you'd rather have on your team.

 

[navamind]

The overwhelming probability is the SSS effect- the reverse is probably true for Bumgarner as well- though the run he had should be respected nonetheless as it was historically effective. MLB is almost nothing like the NBA or NFL in regards to playoffs building a player's legacy I would argue.

This.

 

[StanMarsh51]

At the very least. How can a player be so dominant in the regular season and then suck so badly in the postseason?

He has a .931 OPS and 9 HR in 38 playoff games with the Tigers....I'd say that's quite good. His overall numbers are brought down by what he did as a 19 year old with the Marlins (before he was the best hitter in the game).