Series Thread: The Rangers Stumble Into Arizona To Face The Diamondbacks April 9-10

[Duane1952]

Once that happens they let them walk, or trade them, unless they give a hometown discount.

Players don't do hometown discounts. Will be interesting to see if Elvis opts out after this season.

 

[Nightcrawler]

can you enlighten me on who we did that with. I know several that achieved success afterwards

Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz

 

[scotsman1948]

Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz

didn't both chose to move on. I know most were happy to see Cruz leave

 

[Nightcrawler]

didn't both chose to move on. I know most were happy to see Cruz leave

Hamilton and his terrible wife were adamant about “no hometown discount” they couldn’t see that Texas and the support systems we had in place for Josh were the best thing for them. He lost his way in LA.

I think most fans wanted to keep Cruz. JD made him a lowball offer and never really tried to keep him after that. It was incredibly stupid to let him go, that guy carried us at times. The lineup still hasn’t looked the same since he left.

 

[saddles]

can you enlighten me on who we did that with. I know several that achieved success afterwards

They got a discount from LeClerc, the last two days notwithstanding and signed him. They couldn't get a discount in their mind from Profar so they traded him. They probably felt at the time that they got a slight discount from Odor.

Hamilton would also be a good example since no one could foresee what would become of him, or at least not to that extent. Cruz as well.

 

[saddles]

didn't both chose to move on. I know most were happy to see Cruz leave

They chose to move on when the Rangers didn't offer market price for them.

 

[Kelleyman]

They chose to move on when the Rangers didn't offer market price for them.

Very weird market on Cruz back then and only a one year deal to recreate market. This is one of the cases when hindsight is 20/20. Crawler - incredibly stupid may be a bit of a hyperbole

Also Angel market was more about an overpay to take from us. Then they gave him back free.
Not sure where anyone is headed with this

 

[saddles]

Very weird market on Cruz back then and only a one year deal to recreate market. This is one of the cases when hindsight is 20/20. Crawler - incredibly stupid may be a bit of a hyperbole

They blew it with Cruz twice.

I love the hindsight card being played. Hindsight is 20/20, but foresight in some instances has been pretty good too.

When foresight is ignored the hindsight card is a really easy claim years later.

 

[saddles]

 

[Kelleyman]

To me the biggest beef with contracts has to be the length of contract with Choo and Fielder. Both had good intent though thinking our window was open. Injury bug hit though and they doomed us

 

[saddles]

To me the biggest beef with contracts has to be the length of contract with Choo and Fielder. Both had good intent though thinking our window was open. Injury bug hit though and they doomed us

The window was slammed shut when we lost Hamilton, Cruz, and Napoli. Unless they were going to really spend heavily in the offseason after 2013 the window was nailed shut. They didn't. They should have started rebuilding then and that was foresight 5 and a half years ago.

 

[Kelleyman]

They blew it with Cruz twice.

I love the hindsight card being played. Hindsight is 20/20, but foresight in some instances has been pretty good too.

When foresight is ignored the hindsight card is a really easy claim years later.

Ha... way to turn it. Of course no one blames JD for letting Ham walk. Now it seems smart but for the amount Cruz signed for less than QO. All teams passed minus one But all fingers point to TX

 

[saddles]

They need to wait to see if young guys develop and then spend competitively to keep them when they do.

 

[Kelleyman]

The window was slammed shut when we lost Hamilton, Cruz, and Napoli. Unless they were going to really spend heavily in the offseason after 2013 the window was nailed shut. They didn't. They should have started rebuilding then and that was foresight 5 and a half years ago.

Yu might disagree

 

[saddles]

Ha... way to turn it. Of course no one blames JD for letting Ham walk. Now it seems smart but for the amount Cruz signed for less than QO. All teams passed minus one But all fingers point to TX

You have heard all the reasoning before and are still ignoring it. Blindfolds give very poor visuon.

 

[saddles]

Yu might disagree

It doesn't matter if he does.

 

[Kelleyman]

They need to wait to see if young guys develop and then spend competitively to keep them when they do.

Right!!! Or perhaps if they do

 

[Kelleyman]

You have heard all the reasoning before and are still ignoring it. Blindfolds give very poor visuon.

Ouch

 

[saddles]

Right!!! Or perhaps if they do

That is why I finished with "when they do." If they don't then we don't spend on them.

 

[saddles]

Ouch

Lol. You know good and well the QO was a procedural thing. The real negotiating should have started later and it didn't. Bringing up the QO is purposely ignoring the real discussion. That has come up a dozen times or more since that offseason.