The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[Wild Turkey]

Actually, quite the opposite of pro ball. The direction CFB is heading now is more like pro ball, with people wanting each conference to automatically have 1 person in the playoffs and junk.

As for tradition, not all tradition is good. If they really gave a shit about tradition, then we wouldn't have Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri or Texas A&M in the SEC right now. Arkansas and South Carolina I've gotten use to by now, but the addition of these teams had nothing to do with tradition, and everything to do with progressing the game.

I'd rather see more top teams being played every year. And to do that, you need less Vandy, less Kentucky and more Oklahoma, more Penn St, more USC, etc. But more conference games just leaves less OOC slots available.

For all the shit Notre Dame gets - look at their schedule. What is so bad about wanting more of that?

Not sure where the ethical treatment of players comments come from.

Because you believe there should be hard cuts on these teams. If you don't make first or second team you're gone and bring in fresh meat. A kid could be busting his ass do everything asked of him and you would pull his scholarship and that's wrong.

 

[The Crimson King]

TEAM SEC doesn't buy it. Everyone knows playing Vandy and Kentucky is a grind

I'd rather play san Jose state than Kentucky....just sayin

 

[RegentDenali]

ASU and Michigan State scheduled a home and home for 2018 and 2019. I really like the non-conference lineup ASU has scheduled right now.

That's a solid booking. The Sun Devil stadium renovation will be completed by then. Helps keep the PAC / Big10 OOC relationship going.

 

[4down20]

Because you believe there should be hard cuts on these teams. If you don't make first or second team you're gone and bring in fresh meat. A kid could be busting his ass do everything asked of him and you would pull his scholarship and that's wrong.

I think they should be allowed to finish their education, but yeah.

I'm sure just because someone doesn't make 1st or 2nd team doesn't mean they are worthless. It's not like I'm in favor of mandating it to happen or something. But making room for other players? Fine with it.

As for "the kids", doing that actually increases good opportunities for more players that they may not get otherwise, and more scholarships for more kids in general.

I am also someone who doesn't care about ethics because I don't think all players on the rooster should play for minimum 1 down in every game?

 

[The Crimson King]

So just reading through and it appears no one realizes that fsu beat auburn yet....sweet

 

[WizardHawk]

Speaking of not needing conferences to maintain rival games... Already have a good bit with rivals like Clemson, GT and Florida St.

But close location makes it a natural fit.

Yeah, because we are already in endless arguments over whether the current conference system does enough to accurately rank all of the major teams. Now remove the common components of conference matches and the conference championship game. It will get so much more clear then right? :rollseyes:

You are talking about creating a complete cluster fuck and putting a total end to very real data collected in the conference championship games. Really?

Just go back to 10 team conferences and remove the 12 team CCG requirement. Let 10 team conferences have championship games.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I think they should be allowed to finish their education, but yeah.

I'm sure just because someone doesn't make 1st or 2nd team doesn't mean they are worthless. It's not like I'm in favor of mandating it to happen or something. But making room for other players? Fine with it.

As for "the kids", doing that actually increases good opportunities for more players that they may not get otherwise, and more scholarships for more kids in general.

I am also someone who doesn't care about ethics because I don't think all players on the rooster should play for minimum 1 down in every game?

You're not really telling the truth you would be fine with cutting them off if it made room for more promising recruits. If it gives you a win screw ethics and the university can graduate idiots the whole purpose is to entertain you on Saturdays. Otherwise cut the funding and shut it down because what do you care never set foot on campus anyway.

 

[4down20]

Yeah, because we are already in endless arguments over whether the current conference system does enough to accurately rank all of the major teams. Now remove the common components of conference matches and the conference championship game. It will get so much more clear then right? :rollseyes:

You are talking about creating a complete cluster fuck and putting a total end to very real data collected in the conference championship games. Really?

Just go back to 10 team conferences and remove the 12 team CCG requirement. Let 10 team conferences have championship games.

Loss of a conference championship game would suck, I agree there.

But as for the rest, it would be more clear because it creates more links between teams which makes for a more accurate reading on team strength. What makes it difficult to measure is when the teams only play in 1 little group and there aren't enough quality links between those groups(conferences) to accurately know how each group stacks up to each other. We get a few links and links to link every year for some measure, but they too are subject to swings in the data, rather than having a clear pattern.

Smaller conferences is a step in the right direction, but only if not round robin. Round robin is great for conference champion if that was the only thing going on, but not so great for bigger picture.

 

[4down20]

You're not really telling the truth you would be fine with cutting them off if it made room for more promising recruits. If it gives you a win screw ethics and the university can graduate idiots the whole purpose is to entertain you on Saturdays. Otherwise cut the funding and shut it down because what do you care never set foot on campus anyway.

Yes, I would be fine with it. And it's the most ethical way of doing it so long as they get to finish their education on a scholarship, just not be on the football team.

Some people may think it's more ethical to let a dog lay in the street and comfort it until it dies. I think it's more ethical to blow his brains out and put him out of his misery.

I bet the idea of walk-ons just burns your ass.

 

[The Crimson King]

Loss of a conference championship game would suck, I agree there.

But as for the rest, it would be more clear because it creates more links between teams which makes for a more accurate reading on team strength. What makes it difficult to measure is when the teams only play in 1 little group and there aren't enough quality links between those groups(conferences) to accurately know how each group stacks up to each other. We get a few links and links to link every year for some measure, but they too are subject to swings in the data, rather than having a clear pattern.

Smaller conferences is a step in the right direction, but only if not round robin. Round robin is great for conference champion if that was the only thing going on, but not so great for bigger picture.

the seven team divisions of today are the eight team conferences of yesterday. Eight game conference schedule makes a more true division champion

 

[The Crimson King]

what everyone has learned from these 50 pages????


1. WizardHawk is a complete idiot

If you're going to attempt to ridicule and insult a large group of people, make sure you don't make idiotic,false statements claiming them to be facts along the way


*can I get a hell yeah?!

 

[The Crimson King]

Yes, I would be fine with it. And it's the most ethical way of doing it so long as they get to finish their education on a scholarship, just not be on the football team.

Some people may think it's more ethical to let a dog lay in the street and comfort it until it dies. I think it's more ethical to blow his brains out and put him out of his misery.

I bet the idea of walk-ons just burns your ass.

Why would you give out free scholarships to guys that can't play?? Knowing they're dumb as rocks

 

[7Samurai13]

Actually, quite the opposite of pro ball. The direction CFB is heading now is more like pro ball, with people wanting each conference to automatically have 1 person in the playoffs and junk.

As for tradition, not all tradition is good. If they really gave a shit about tradition, then we wouldn't have Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri or Texas A&M in the SEC right now. Arkansas and South Carolina I've gotten use to by now, but the addition of these teams had nothing to do with tradition, and everything to do with progressing the game.

I'd rather see more top teams being played every year. And to do that, you need less Vandy, less Kentucky and more Oklahoma, more Penn St, more USC, etc. But more conference games just leaves less OOC slots available.

For all the shit Notre Dame gets - look at their schedule. What is so bad about wanting more of that?

Not sure where the ethical treatment of players comments come from.

Wasn't aTm's first act as an SEC school right in line with SEC tradition of claiming national titles that they have no right at all to claim?

 

[Codaxx]

Yes, I would be fine with it. And it's the most ethical way of doing it so long as they get to finish their education on a scholarship, just not be on the football team.

Some people may think it's more ethical to let a dog lay in the street and comfort it until it dies. I think it's more ethical to blow his brains out and put him out of his misery.

I bet the idea of walk-ons just burns your ass.

I just hate the idea of making the recruit accountable for his performance and not holding the coach accountable for his evaluation. If the kid is lazy and gets in trouble that is a different situation. Saban offers a kid that turns out to be untalented, but does everything right tt is Saban's fault. Allowing Saban or any other coach to walk away from that with 0 consequences is BS.

 

[Codaxx]

Actually, quite the opposite of pro ball. The direction CFB is heading now is more like pro ball, with people wanting each conference to automatically have 1 person in the playoffs and junk.

As for tradition, not all tradition is good. If they really gave a shit about tradition, then we wouldn't have Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri or Texas A&M in the SEC right now. Arkansas and South Carolina I've gotten use to by now, but the addition of these teams had nothing to do with tradition, and everything to do with progressing the game.

I'd rather see more top teams being played every year. And to do that, you need less Vandy, less Kentucky and more Oklahoma, more Penn St, more USC, etc. But more conference games just leaves less OOC slots available.

For all the shit Notre Dame gets - look at their schedule. What is so bad about wanting more of that?

Not sure where the ethical treatment of players comments come from.

I can not think of anything those additions did to progress the game. In fact most of their history in the SEC they have diluted the conference. The purpose was money, nothing more or less. If anything the SEC has moved the game of CFB in a bad direction. I would think more CFB fans would say expansion has had more negatives than positives on the game.

 

[tabascojet]

I think the SEC and ACC are trying to strike a conference game exchange and step 1 was keeping room on the schedules. Don't be surprised when a host of SEC vs ACC games get announced for the future. This has been hinted for a while yet.

not so fast....

http://espn.go.com/college-football...onference-obligations-playing-other-acc-teams

 

[7Samurai13]

I just hate the idea of making the recruit accountable for his performance and not holding the coach accountable for his evaluation. If the kid is lazy and gets in trouble that is a different situation. Saban offers a kid that turns out to be untalented, but does everything right tt is Saban's fault. Allowing Saban or any other coach to walk away from that with 0 consequences is BS.

What about if the coach is just not very good at developing players? The coach just blames the previous regime, kid didn't fit system, didn't meet work effort, etc... The coach puts all the blame on the kid, drops him and maybe the kid doesn't get another shot because the coach was a complete idiot.

 

[Codaxx]

What about if the coach is just not very good at developing players? The coach just blames the previous regime, kid didn't fit system, didn't meet work effort, etc... The coach puts all the blame on the kid, drops him and maybe the kid doesn't get another shot because the coach was a complete idiot.

It is all nonsense. Most coaches pitch that you commit to the University, not the coach. Coach can cut a kid in 1 yr. Kid cant go to the school and leave after a yr, because he thinks the coach is a moron. New coach comes in he can take a scholarship away, but the kid can not transfer if he doesnt like the new coach. I am simply in favor of holding both parts equally accountable. I am happy with wild west or 4 yr guarantees.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Mannion is the first Beaver ever to be named captain three years and was the first sophomore in the program’s history with the honor. The senior quarterback has thrown for 10,436 career yards (10th in Pac-12 history) and is poised to break the Pac-12 record of 12,274 yards set by former USC Trojan Matt Barkley. Mannion set the league mark for single season passing yards last season with 4,662. He already holds 11 OSU passing records and has earned numerous postseason honors.

Fall can't get here quick enough...always nice to a beaver player doing something well in the Pac.

 

[Olyduck]

I read the police report and the entire thing seemed pretty sketchy to me. The fact that they assaulted her in a bathroom, then she gets in a car with them and goes back to one of their apartments? It appeared like r*pe to me, but details like that make it seem as if it was not. Strange case either way.

Saw some woman in her 50s texting and driving for over a mile today, I was not surprised to see she had an Oregon sticker in her window.

The way i read it was at 3 different times like it wasnt all three in the bathroom with her at the same time.