The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[WhiteMamba]

The Ducks should be favored in all of their games. The only way they would have any chance of not being favored is a bad loss to sparty and UCLA on a roll before their early season meeting, but even then UCLA couldn't be favored by more than 2 or 3. Outside of that long shot they should be favored every week.

Being favored and winning are two different critters.

And if I'm going to be right on the 20+ point upset and it isn't UW, I sure hope it's Oregon State that gets it. Nothing like having a bad loss to end the season on.

Won't be Zona. No Carrey. And we get them @ Autzen early. UW has to much to replace for an upset @ Autzen this season... Now next season Oregon @ UW could be the year the streak is snapped. Will be a BATTLE.

@ Corvallis.... You never know. It won't be easy that is for sure.

Oregon should handle MSU fairly easy. They only return 4 and Dantoni is on record saying "Our offense is going to have to carry us this season" That isnt good for Sparty. They will be a shell of their 2013 team.

Most likely Oregon will be heavily favored vs Stanford. But throw the betting line out there. A win is a must here. The only game on the schedule I as a fan am worried about. But then again, I wasnt worried about Zona last season.

If Oregon is upset look for it late in the season.

 

[WizardHawk]

Well State is the team I'd most pick, but the nature of those massive upsets is their unpredictability. I just think under Helf that those accidents will happen more often than under Kelly. Do I expect UW to be that upset? Of course not. I just put that out there for obvious reasons. I'd much rather it was us, but I'll take State dropping you out of the top 5 on the last day of the season.

I know you want to dismiss UCLA and I understand your reasons, but that could be a much better game than you are expecting. Especially since it will be the first real game of the year for your squad. Or at least the first road test anyway. I mean smacking the shit out of WSU in their house doesn't count as a road test does it?

 

[WizardHawk]

Trust me when I say I know UW's road is paved with potential landmines in this first season for Petersen.

You know I always focus on road schedules for every team. UW has 6 road games this season with 5 of them being in conference. I see them going 2-3 or 3-2 with WSU being the swing game of that slate. They have to beat Cal and Colorado on the road. I mean even with young kids, you just can't lose those games.

It's our home games that actually leave you wondering what the final win/loss tally will be. We only get 4 home conference games, but they are all going to be awesome to go see as a season ticket holder. Stanford early, then ASU, UCLA, and Oregon State the week before rivalry week. I know a lot of my fellow dawgs are penciling in at least 2 of those as wins, but those are all quality teams coming into your house.

Stanford hasn't dominated UW in recent years, but this is a new coaching staff and schemes with a young QB going into his first conference game that night. Hell of way to kick off the season.

UW owes ASU an ass beating, but can they produce one? They can pass the ball and UW will be putting two true freshmen in that secondary. Their pass rush and overall front 7 play should be solid, but can they keep those explosive pass plays down?

UCLA coming to UW for the first time in the Mora era. A home coming of sorts for Jim. I'm sure his family will be here and he will get lots of attention from his friends who are still around UW's program and otherwise in the area. Tough opponent to beat for sure as Hundley will be looking at going after that secondary.

And who knows which beaver team will be coming here. They might be on a roll, and they could be licking their wounds and wondering where the season went. Either way if UW has any weakness in their lineup Riley is more than capable of putting a plan together to go after it.

They should be able to win 2 of those, but that's still a heck of a home slate.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

The Ducks should be favored in all of their games. The only way they would have any chance of not being favored is a bad loss to sparty and UCLA on a roll before their early season meeting, but even then UCLA couldn't be favored by more than 2 or 3. Outside of that long shot they should be favored every week.

Being favored and winning are two different critters.

And if I'm going to be right on the 20+ point upset and it isn't UW, I sure hope it's Oregon State that gets it. Nothing like having a bad loss to end the season on.

Based on last years game, should be another beaut for sure this year.

 

[Olyduck]

He didn't play with a torn MCL mamba!

Don't start with the lame 'excuses' bro, it just makes all Ducks fans look bad.

He had a partialy sprained MCL, in other words his knee was a little banged up. Said so himself after the Furd game.

Those 4 INT's came nearly a month after he banged up his knee.

It football mamba, they all get banged up brudha, and I'm the one you say looks foolish!

Nice try though!

An MCL spain is a tear. depending on there severity of it a partialy sprained one would just not be a severe tear but it would be one that would limit him and cause pain, swelling, instability and limited range of motion.

But what do I know? Its not like I work in medical imaging or anything like that.

 

[Vitamike]

Nomination for fail post of PAC12 v.2 ???

same thing bruh....

Not in the world of sports SportsHoopla and media hype. If he was playing with a 'tear' than it would have been reported as a 'tear' and not a 'partial sprain' as you provided in your link.

An MCL spain is a tear. depending on there severity of it a partialy sprained one would just not be a severe tear but it would be one that would limit him and cause pain, swelling, instability and limited range of motion.

But what do I know? Its not like I work in medical imaging or anything like that.

What do you know?

Let's be honest here, if you really do know about such things than you should also know that 'sprains' of the MCL are either a 'stretch' OR 'tear' of the ligament, usually classified as either a grade 1, 2 or 3.

So MM partially 'sprained' his MCL and he was able to play the very next week with a brace so obviously it was a grade 1 'partial sprain' as was reported. I'm sure you would agree with this...

So that's the bottom line. MM was banged up a bit, I gave y'all that what more do you want?

The point to my post anyway was mamba said Brett Hundley regressed and I pointed out he improved over his last six games whereas for whatever 'excuse' y'all want to give, it was Marcus who regressed over those same last 6 games.

mamba, just concede brother. I really don't like making you look so foolish up in here. Nobody, I mean nobody plays with a real injury tear to the MCL (Like a grade 2 or grade 3) it would be foolish in itself and if they did it wouldn't be the very next week. Besides the 'epic fail' post you called out was more about Hundley's NOT regressing as you stated anyhow. Not a word on that faux pas, eh?

 

[trojanfan12]

 

[Olyduck]

grade 1 2 or 3 still tears in the tissue. MCL sprain = MCL tear

 

[Olyduck]

MCL partial sprain = MCL partial tear.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Mike, lay off the booze bro.

 

[Vitamike]

Y'all know you're wrong.

If ya like, I'll find some references to show you the differences Oly.

Either way, if Mariota said it was nothing, and he did, than why do you all feel the need to make some lame ass excuses for him?

For GOD's sakes, it was Hundley who's had knee surgery, not your boy but it took till now for me to even make mention the fact.

Your boy was banged up, I gave ya that. Back in the day we just called it a twisted knee if we could still play. We all have played with a banged up knees, elbows, ankles and sech so why all the excuses now?

I know, it's because he threw FOUR picks a month after he took a shot to the knee. Geez, get over it!! Shit happens!

 

[WhiteMamba]

Y'all know you're wrong.

If ya like, I'll find some references to show you the differences Oly.

Either way, if Mariota said it was nothing, and he did, than why do you all feel the need to make some lame ass excuses for him?

For GOD's sakes, it was Hundley who's had knee surgery, not your boy but it took till now for me to even make mention the fact.

Your boy was banged up, I gave ya that. Back in the day we just called it a twisted knee if we could still play. We all have played with a banged up knees, elbows, ankles and sech so why all the excuses now?

I know, it's because he threw FOUR picks a month after he took a shot to the knee. Geez, get over it!! Shit happens!

 

[WhiteMamba]

What does it matter. Oregon beat the shit outta your team by 4 tds. And will kick your team's ass this year in their own house.

and you are very very wrong Mike. What are you on tonight? Just booze? you actin cray cray

 

[Vitamike]

First off it's 'Kray, Kray' in reference to 'Ronnie and Reggie Kray' but that's a whole different story.

Second, if you want to come in here and say Brett Hundley has regressed 'statistically' and STILL have nothing to back that statement up with!

Then when I point out some 'variances' to all this with your QB, you go on with full 'excuse' mode.

Even you Duck fans know that's not acceptable in the sports world!

Let's not forget you calling me out with an 'epic fail' post of the year bullshit or however you put it.

You and your boy OCD are reaching at straws bro. Your own QB said it was nothing and yet you guys want to get legalistic on terminology however wrong you may be about a 'tear'. It's just sad. I would have already conceded, but that's me.

Carry on bro, it's not worth the fight my man!

 

[WhiteMamba]

you are making yourself look dumb.

OCD if you are referring to OD hasnt chimed in on the topic. Oly has, he also works in medical field.

and yes Mike. Please do prove to me as you claim you can that a tear and sprain are not the same thing.

Go right ahead. You are making yourself look like an idiot. It is common knowledge if you do the research. I thought the same thing you did til I was shown that I was wrong.

Mariota is a kid who isn't going to blame his injury on the loss. That is what he was doing.

Mariota >>>> Hundley

Oregon >>>> UCLA

 

[WhiteMamba]

Medial collateral knee ligament (MCL) sprain


What is a medial collateral knee ligament sprain?

A medial collateral· ligament (MCL) sprain is a tear of the soft tissue ligaments on the media (inside) of the knee.· The MCL is one of the four ligaments (soft tissue structures that connect bones in the knee and the most commonly injured one. The MCL is a structure that helps keep the normal relationship of the femur (thigh bone) and the tibia (leg bone) along the inner side of the knee. The MCL prevents the knee from buckling inward and is the ligament most commonly injured in sports. When torn, this ligament usually heals. Occasionally, however, especially when associated with other ligament injury, it may heal in a lengthened position, making the knee slightly loose.

 

[WhiteMamba]

You gonna be scared again this year for an avy bet Mike?

Last year you were too chicken.

You knew UCLA didn't have a chance.

Just like this season, Making it 6 in a row vs the powder blue princesses.

 

[Vitamike]

Medial collateral knee ligament (MCL) sprain


What is a medial collateral knee ligament sprain?

A medial collateral· ligament (MCL) sprain is a tear of the soft tissue ligaments on the media (inside) of the knee.· The MCL is one of the four ligaments (soft tissue structures that connect bones in the knee and the most commonly injured one. The MCL is a structure that helps keep the normal relationship of the femur (thigh bone) and the tibia (leg bone) along the inner side of the knee. The MCL prevents the knee from buckling inward and is the ligament most commonly injured in sports. When torn, this ligament usually heals. Occasionally, however, especially when associated with other ligament injury, it may heal in a lengthened position, making the knee slightly loose.

WOW just WOW!

Hey Y'all, don't mess with the Ducks good, bad or indifferent!

First off, I thought I'd let sleeping dogs lie but whatevers....

Medial Collateral Ligament Injury of the Knee (MCL Tear)

What Is an MCL Sprain?

The medial collateral ligament (MCL) is located on the inside of the knee. Ligaments hold bones together; the MCL connects the top of the shinbone (tibia) to the bottom of the thighbone (femur). Ligaments also add stability and strength to a joint.
Injury to the MCL is often called an MCL sprain. Ligament injuries can either stretch the ligament or tear it. MCL injury of the knee is usually caused by a direct blow to the knee. This type of injury is common in contact sports, and it is usually the result of a hit to the outer knee that stretches the MCL. Sometimes, an MCL tear can cause fractures in the growth plates at the end of the bones in adolescents.

Types of MCL Injuries

Your doctor may tell you that you have a first, second, or third degree MCL sprain.
Grade one is the least severe and means that the ligament has been stretched but not torn.
Grade two means that the ligament has been partially torn. This usually causes some instability in the knee joint.
Grade three is the most severe type of ligament injury and occurs when the ligament has been completely torn. Joint instability is common in a grade three MCL injury.

What are the Symptoms of an MCL Injury?

Symptoms of an MCL injury are similar to symptoms of other knee problems, so it is important that you have your knee examined by a doctor if you are experiencing them.
Symptoms of an MCL injury may include:

• a popping sound upon injury
• pain and tenderness along the middle of the knee
• swelling of the knee joint
• a feeling that the knee is going to give out when supporting weight
• locking or catching in the knee joint

Problems with knee stability typically indicate grade two or grade three injuries.

Medial Collateral Ligament Injury of the Knee (MCL Tear)

First, do you see the start of that sentence copied in red and then the emphasis copied in green? It says stretched but NOT torn. In other words a sprain is either a stretch as in Stage 1 just like I said and a tear is a Stage 2 or 3 just like I said.

Next, do you see that last statement mamba or are you reading this shit at all?

If MM had a stage two or three, he wouldn't be on the field THE VERY NEXT WEEK! And THAT was my point! Dude, just like every other FB player in the nation was just a bit banged up.

MM had Stage 1 meaning he only had a sprain or as reported in the link 'YOU PROVIDED' he only had a 'partial sprain'. Meaning he partially had Stage 1 so they put a brace on him and sent him out there to play for the rest of the season. Had it been any worse, they would have had him on the bench, especially since he himself knew it could jeopardize his NFL Career.

Besides, it was nearly a month after his 'injury' when he threw his first pick of four and over a month after his injury when he threw his last pick of four (In three games I might add)

Geez, give it a rest!

You gonna be scared again this year for an avy bet Mike?

Last year you were too chicken.

You knew UCLA didn't have a chance.

Just like this season, Making it 6 in a row vs the powder blue princesses.

Hey, there was only one avi bet I didn't take and it was right after the untimely passing of Nick Pasquale and a road game at Nebraska.

At first it looked like a sound move however we found ourselves and had at the Cornhuskers by games end. I don't call that scared, I just thought with 2nd year coach in CJM early in the season and the circumstances of the untimely Pasquale passing with a tough roadie ahead, it was set up as a loss. Furthermore, had it been you rather than some unknown poster to me, I would have taken the bet.

I had no joy in giving some poster I had no previous knowledge of an AVI of my choosing? I'd probably never see him again unless I was stalking him afterwards. But again whatevers!

 

[WhiteMamba]

 

[WizardHawk]

I think I got a level 1 eye socket strain just trying to read the last page or so.

Jesus you two.