THE PAC 12 THREAD v.3

[WhiteMamba]

Hovering around the top 5 for the past 3 or 4 years:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Baylor
Kansas St

Not too shabby for a lil ol' conference full of hayseeds hyuk hyuk hyuk!

The last time Oregon played each of these the Ducks won. Add Texas and the only reason Baylor isn't on the list is because Oregon hasn't played them.

 

[RegentDenali]

The last time Oregon played each of these the Ducks won. Add Texas and the only reason Baylor isn't on the list is because Oregon hasn't played them.

You better get off that phone and start the drinking fast. It's a magical date night of Sam with the ol ball and chain.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJcLcuQdOw]Sam Smith - Lay Me Down (Acoustic) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[WizardHawk]

Having a bye week is little to no cumulative advantage, so I'm not sure why it matters when they fall.

No advantage? There is a potential advantage for most, and maybe even disadvantage for others in bye weeks. Since they are mostly staggered one team can get two weeks to prepare for a game that the other team only gets a week. If you don't see value in that, particularly in college, then you see nearly no value in game planning and teaching. Add in time to get over minor to medium injuries and how can it not make a difference?

That said, some coaches do a better job of refining more advanced game plans with more time than others. This list attempted to look at some of the top in that category.

 

[wazzu31]

3 wins?
I see at least 4 and 2 or 3 that can go either way

Horrible defense, that lost it's best player to graduation and their second best player to suspension. Leach ran off the best QB on the team and their O line sucks. There is zero reason to think the team can get better, did you see the bowl game. West was the best player then he made a couple of good run plays then Leach benched him. "How dare a RB look good in my shitty offense"

Fuck Leach right in his smug rugby mouth.

 

[WizardHawk]

Must be near time for the season to start. Our resident glum has returned and is already in mid season form.

 

[RegentDenali]

Must be near time for the season to start. Our resident glum has returned and is already in mid season form.

Connor Halliday ended up ranked #2 in the PAC12 in 2013. Including passing for 4597 yds, 34 TDs, and a 126.5 RAT.

I really don't get the hate on this one.

 

[WizardHawk]

Connor Halliday ended up ranked #2 in the PAC12 in 2013. Including passing for 4597 yds, 34 TDs, and a 126.5 RAT.

I really don't get the hate on this one.

Remember when people hated RN and found every excuse to not want him on the team despite when he was winning and even won a RB? I mean they weren't loud voices, but they were for sure there.

The Leach haters are among the most prolific I can ever remember in the Pac. They could win a national title and still would still be bitching about him in some way.

I mean they aren't going to win a title, but still.

 

[occupant]

You won't find conference honks here either. I hope everyone in the Pac tanks it and UW is the only team to make a bowl.

Having said that, twice the teams? Ok, so the conf that calls itself the big TWELVE only has 10, but that's not half of 12 last time I checked. Must be southern math.

Pac has several teams that hang around the top 10 as well. More than two for sure.

Until Texas comes back to life I wouldn't be bragging about your lil 12 or 10 or whatever you are.

2010: Three PAC teams spend any time in the top 10 all season (Arizona was 9th for one week)...and only two are present in the top 25 in the final polls. The same year 5 Bix XII teams spend time in the top 10 that season (Missouri for one week), and 5 are included in the final year's polling.

2011: Three PAC teams spend any time in the top 10 all season, and only two are again present in the final top 25. Four BigXII schools spend time in the top 10 that season, with 4 present in the final year's polling.

2012: PAC four teams spend time in the top 10, three are ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season. Four Bix XII teams spend time in the top 10, 3 present in the final top 25.

Much of the same last year, with the PAC finally having more teams in the final top 25 than the Big XII.

So....yeah, my comments weren't very far off. Save TWO teams from the PAC, it definitely appears that recent history would back up my claim that the PAC is a two-team show for the most part.

 

[occupant]

The last time Oregon played each of these the Ducks won. Add Texas and the only reason Baylor isn't on the list is because Oregon hasn't played them.

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But this is a thread about a conference...

 

[seahawksfan234]

Marcus Mariota Is Only Taking 2 Classes This Fall At Oregon: Golf And Yoga

CollegeSpun -- Marcus Mariota could have left Oregon for the NFL following last season. The Ducks redshirt junior quarterback would have likely been a first-round draft pick. He could be making millions of dollars as a professional athlete.

The dual threat opted to return to Eugene for at least one more season. Life won’t be too bad for the Heisman contender, either. He’s only taking two classes. Golf & Yoga.

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Athletes receive special treatment at every major university, UW included. I can promise you that 90% of UW's roster is taking a super soft schedule just like Mariota is. Not to mention the fact that it's not like Mariota has any degree requirements to fulfill since he's not even going to graduate.

These guys get placed into GPA boosting basket weaving classes made especially for athletes, so that their 4.0 in basket weaving compensates for their 2.0 in the classes required for their (likely) non-competitive major. Even in those classes for their major, they will have people connected to the athletic department pressuring the professors to go easy on the star athletes. Even if they don't have the professors being pressured, the liberal guilt will kick in and they will give them a better grade than they deserve anyways, because it's not the athletes' fault he can barely construct a proper sentence.

Football>Academics

Welcome to America.

 

[WizardHawk]

2010: Three PAC teams spend any time in the top 10 all season (Arizona was 9th for one week)...and only two are present in the top 25 in the final polls. The same year 5 Bix XII teams spend time in the top 10 that season (Missouri for one week), and 5 are included in the final year's polling.

2011: Three PAC teams spend any time in the top 10 all season, and only two are again present in the final top 25. Four BigXII schools spend time in the top 10 that season, with 4 present in the final year's polling.

2012: PAC four teams spend time in the top 10, three are ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season. Four Bix XII teams spend time in the top 10, 3 present in the final top 25.

Much of the same last year, with the PAC finally having more teams in the final top 25 than the Big XII.

So....yeah, my comments weren't very far off. Save TWO teams from the PAC, it definitely appears that recent history would back up my claim that the PAC is a two-team show for the most part.

Oly already ran down the numbers. How convenient you responded to me instead of him.

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But this is a thread about a conference...

Yes, it's a thread for Pac posters by Pac posters and yet here you are trolling it... And then telling others what the thread is for.

 

[occupant]

Oly already ran down the numbers. How convenient you responded to me instead of him.

You responded to me. I responded to your comments. It's kinda how these message board conversations work.

Yes, it's a thread for Pac posters by Pac posters and yet here you are trolling it... And then telling others what the thread is for.

Posting factual information is hardly trolling. You're just upset because I'm not hyping your conference. You should be proud of Oregon and Stanford...I guess? Conference honks are usually fans of teams that don't particularly do so well. They root for the conference so they can feel some measure of victory.

It's ok. I can understand your need for some sense of satisfaction...being a Husky fan and all. I'll leave now so you can feel good about your conference. Sorry about your feels.

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

2010: Three PAC teams spend any time in the top 10 all season (Arizona was 9th for one week)...and only two are present in the top 25 in the final polls. The same year 5 Bix XII teams spend time in the top 10 that season (Missouri for one week), and 5 are included in the final year's polling.

2011: Three PAC teams spend any time in the top 10 all season, and only two are again present in the final top 25. Four BigXII schools spend time in the top 10 that season, with 4 present in the final year's polling.

2012: PAC four teams spend time in the top 10, three are ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season. Four Bix XII teams spend time in the top 10, 3 present in the final top 25.

Much of the same last year, with the PAC finally having more teams in the final top 25 than the Big XII.

So....yeah, my comments weren't very far off. Save TWO teams from the PAC, it definitely appears that recent history would back up my claim that the PAC is a two-team show for the most part.

Your argument is flawed to compare the PAC to the Big 12 in years 2010, 2011. That's evident to 2012. Due to the fact the Big was playing only 8 IC games while the PAC was at 9

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Must be near time for the season to start. Our resident glum has returned and is already in mid season form.

Must be taking about "Wazzy Gazzoo" Whiz...still looking for a tree, in the land of wheat fields and empty liquor bottles, to hang Leach in is he?

Never saw a fan who wished a pile of losses on his own team so he can say he was right all along.

 

[963BUSC]

each of those teams spent a year or so around that mark but were not there each of the last 3 or 4 years.
6, 15, 16, 6 for Oklahoma
17, NR, 3, 13 for OK state
13, NR, 13, NR for Baylor, so i guess maybe they got there in season but not finished there.
NR, 12, 15 and NR for Kansas State

But compared to
Oregon 9, 2, 4, 3
Stanford 11, 7, 7, 4
thats hovering the top 5
USC 19, NR, 6, NR looks more like your how Big XII goes.

As for this year though Oklahoma and Baylor are the main contenders after that Kansas State, Texas, TT and OK state are all likely bowl teams
Pac has Oregon, USC, UCLA Stanford that are contenders. Washington, Arizona State, Arizona Oregon State, Washington State could all go to bowls.

I hate it how USC is the example of slightly better than average.

 

[occupant]

Your argument is flawed to compare the PAC to the Big 12 in years 2010, 2011. That's evident to 2012. Due to the fact the Big was playing only 8 IC games while the PAC was at 9

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/5267811-post534.html

 

[boxedlunch]

No advantage? There is a potential advantage for most, and maybe even disadvantage for others in bye weeks. Since they are mostly staggered one team can get two weeks to prepare for a game that the other team only gets a week. If you don't see value in that, particularly in college, then you see nearly no value in game planning and teaching. Add in time to get over minor to medium injuries and how can it not make a difference?

That said, some coaches do a better job of refining more advanced game plans with more time than others. This list attempted to look at some of the top in that category.

Again no CUMULATIVE advantage. Clearly there are advantages, but there's also disadvantages, mostly having players who play weekly skip a week and lose their rhythm.

And whether you or I see an advantage or not, the fact is that team playing similar strength teams win about half of their games on not a lot more. We have factual measures that there is no cumulative advantage to a bye week, regardless of what you or I think should be.

 

[Olyduck]

The last time Oregon played each of these the Ducks won. Add Texas and the only reason Baylor isn't on the list is because Oregon hasn't played them.

Even before the Alamo Bowl Oregon had beat Texas the last time they played.

 

[WizardHawk]

Again no CUMULATIVE advantage. Clearly there are advantages, but there's also disadvantages, mostly having players who play weekly skip a week and lose their rhythm.

And whether you or I see an advantage or not, the fact is that team playing similar strength teams win about half of their games on not a lot more. We have factual measures that there is no cumulative advantage to a bye week, regardless of what you or I think should be.

Ok, then give us a link with those findings.

There are teams that do better after a bye than others. If you don't agree then let's see your data/links.

 

[Olyduck]

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Athletes receive special treatment at every major university, UW included. I can promise you that 90% of UW's roster is taking a super soft schedule just like Mariota is. Not to mention the fact that it's not like Mariota has any degree requirements to fulfill since he's not even going to graduate.

These guys get placed into GPA boosting basket weaving classes made especially for athletes, so that their 4.0 in basket weaving compensates for their 2.0 in the classes required for their (likely) non-competitive major. Even in those classes for their major, they will have people connected to the athletic department pressuring the professors to go easy on the star athletes. Even if they don't have the professors being pressured, the liberal guilt will kick in and they will give them a better grade than they deserve anyways, because it's not the athletes' fault he can barely construct a proper sentence.

Football>Academics

Welcome to America.

Yeah he kind of already graduated.