The Official SportsHoopla Preseason Top 25 Rankings

[theSabanator20]

Before I give the list, here are the facts:

1. I didn't use the AP, USA Today, Coaches Poll etc. formula with 1=25, 2=24, 3=23, etc...

2. Instead, I used a system somewhat similar to FPI, but not exactly the same.

3. I compiled 18 polls, which listed a total of 47 teams receiving top 25 votes.

4. I used the average ranking in each poll to determine a team's ranking position. If they were not ranked in a poll, I simply input #47 as their ranking. This is because there were a total of 47 teams given a top 25 ranking. So if a team did not get ranked in one poll, but did in others, the only unbiased variable I could use was 47, meaning that if someone didn't rank a team, and there were 47 teams listed as perceivable top 25 teams, then that means there could possibly be 46 teams that are perceived to be equal to or better than that team in particular.

5. There were 7 teams that were consensus top 25 ranked teams: FSU, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma, Michigan State, UCLA, and South Carolina.

6. Now that I think I have explained this thoroughly enough, I will now post the top 25 in this format:

Rank--Team--First Place Votes(if any)--TMA(theSabanator20's Matrix Average)

 

[theSabanator20]

1. Florida State(16)----1.1111
2. Oklahoma(1)--------4.0556
3. Oregon---------------5.2778
4. Alabama-------------5.5000
5. Auburn(1)-----------6.8889
6. Ohio State-----------8.0556
7. UCLA-----------------8.1111
8. Michigan State-------9.2222
9. South Carolina-------10.4444
10. Baylor---------------13.2222
11. Stanford------------13.4444
12. LSU-----------------15.5000
13. Wisconsin----------15.5556
14. Clemson------------17.6111
15. Georgia-------------20.9444
16. Arizona State-------21.3889
17. Notre Dame---------21.6111
18. USC------------------21.8889
19. Nebraska------------25.4444
20. Ole Miss-------------28.8883
21. Oklahoma State-----29.6111
22. Iowa-----------------30.8333
23. Washington----------32.0000
24. Kansas State--------32.6111
25. Texas----------------34.3333



Just missed: Duke(34.7222); Missouri(36.4444); Louisville(37.0000); BYU(37.6667); UCF(38.6667)


Other teams receiving votes(in no particular order): Michigan, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, Houston, Oregon State, Mississippi State, North Carolina, Marshall, Boise State, Miami(FL), Nevada, Cincinnati, Arizona, Florida, Texas Tech, TCU, Bowling Green.

 

[theSabanator20]

Tier #1
1. Florida State(16)----1.1111
2. Oklahoma(1)--------4.0556
3. Oregon---------------5.2778
4. Alabama-------------5.5000
5. Auburn(1)-----------6.8889
6. Ohio State-----------8.0556
7. UCLA-----------------8.1111
8. Michigan State-------9.2222
9. South Carolina-------10.4444

Tier #2
10. Baylor---------------13.2222
11. Stanford------------13.4444
12. LSU-----------------15.5000
13. Wisconsin----------15.5556
14. Clemson------------17.6111
15. Georgia-------------20.9444
16. Arizona State-------21.3889
17. Notre Dame---------21.6111
18. USC------------------21.8889

Tier #3
19. Nebraska------------25.4444
20. Ole Miss-------------28.8883
21. Oklahoma State-----29.6111
22. Iowa-----------------30.8333
23. Washington----------32.0000
24. Kansas State--------32.6111
25. Texas----------------34.3333

 

[BusSport]

1. I didn't use the AP, USA Today, Coaches Poll etc. formula with 1=25, 2=24, 3=23, etc...

[...]

4. I used the average ranking in each poll to determine a team's ranking position. If they were not ranked in a poll, I simply input #47 as their ranking. This is because there were a total of 47 teams given a top 25 ranking. So if a team did not get ranked in one poll, but did in others, the only unbiased variable I could use was 47, meaning that if someone didn't rank a team, and there were 47 teams listed as perceivable top 25 teams, then that means there could possibly be 46 teams that are perceived to be equal to or better than that team in particular.

Thank you for compiling the polls, but please use the point system that all the major organizations use instead of your averaging system.

That you use a different system means that any direct comparison between your results and the published results of the major media polls are inaccurate and misleading due to the different methodology (if they used your methodology to compile the results from their voters, then their results would also be different from their actual published results).

Your first/main results should be ones that use the same point system that all the major organizations use. If you want to also publish results that use your averaging system, you can do that as an addendum rather than the main results.

 

[Backroads]

Thank you for compiling the polls, but please use the point system that all the major organizations use instead of your averaging system.

That you use a different system means that any direct comparison between your results and the published results of the major media polls are inaccurate and misleading due to the different methodology (if they used your methodology to compile the results from their voters, then their results would also be different from their actual published results).

Your first/main results should be ones that use the same point system that all the major organizations use. If you want to also publish results that use your averaging system, you can do that as an addendum rather than the main results.

Sabanator's poll is just as accurate as any other...

which means it isn't

 

[Smart]

Thank you for compiling the polls, but please use the point system that all the major organizations use instead of your averaging system.

That you use a different system means that any direct comparison between your results and the published results of the major media polls are inaccurate and misleading due to the different methodology (if they used your methodology to compile the results from their voters, then their results would also be different from their actual published results).

Your first/main results should be ones that use the same point system that all the major organizations use. If you want to also publish results that use your averaging system, you can do that as an addendum rather than the main results.

This. If two people rank a team (Team A) as 1st and Unranked, and they rank a different team (Team B) as 23 and 24, there is no way in hell Team should be ranked above Team A. It's patently bizarre.

 

[WhiteMamba]

If you r going to compile the votes do it the SportsHoopla way.

But thanks and good work

 

[mrwallace2ku]

1. Florida State(16)----1.1111
2. Oklahoma(1)--------4.0556
3. Oregon---------------5.2778
4. Alabama-------------5.5000
5. Auburn(1)-----------6.8889
6. Ohio State-----------8.0556
7. UCLA-----------------8.1111
8. Michigan State-------9.2222
9. South Carolina-------10.4444
10. Baylor---------------13.2222
11. Stanford------------13.4444
12. LSU-----------------15.5000
13. Wisconsin----------15.5556
14. Clemson------------17.6111
15. Georgia-------------20.9444
16. Arizona State-------21.3889
17. Notre Dame---------21.6111
18. USC------------------21.8889
19. Nebraska------------25.4444
20. Ole Miss-------------28.8883
21. Oklahoma State-----29.6111
22. Iowa-----------------30.8333
23. Washington----------32.0000
24. Kansas State--------32.6111
25. Texas----------------34.3333



Just missed: Duke(34.7222); Missouri(36.4444); Louisville(37.0000); BYU(37.6667); UCF(38.6667)


Other teams receiving votes(in no particular order): Michigan, Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, Houston, Oregon State, Mississippi State, North Carolina, Marshall, Boise State, Miami(FL), Nevada, Cincinnati, Arizona, Florida, Texas Tech, TCU, Bowling Green.

I knew Washington was 23rd in sumptin around here.

 

[theSabanator20]

This. If two people rank a team (Team A) as 1st and Unranked, and they rank a different team (Team B) as 23 and 24, there is no way in hell Team should be ranked above Team A. It's patently bizarre.

If there were only 2 polls to compile, I wouldn't even bother doing it. It would have no credibility. Fortunately, 18 opinions were used, so it does balance out well. I thought about all this before I did it, and since there were so many polls, I just used average rank. I think it turned out well.

This isn't my poll, this is an average of 18 SportsHoopla board members' polls. So it is very credible

 

[charlie42s]

Sabanator's poll is just as accurate as any other...

which means it isn't

I'm agreeing with one OU fan, but not another. I think that's OK?

... and good work sabanator.

 

[BusSport]

This isn't my poll, this is an average of 18 SportsHoopla board members' polls.So it is very credible

No, this is your compilation based on your arbitrary method for producing a compilation which is different from the method that every major organization uses. And that's the point: no one else uses an average; they all use a point summation system.

Using the method you're using introduces a different type of bias which makes comparison of your compilation against all other published polls meaningless, since those polls would all have different results than their published results if they averaged their voters' rankings as you've done.

 

[theSabanator20]

Ranked teams by conference:


ACC: 2
B1G: 5
B12: 5
SEC: 6
PAC: 6
Indy: 1

 

[BusSport]

If there were only 2 polls to compile, I wouldn't even bother doing it. It would have no credibility. Fortunately, 18 opinions were used, so it does balance out well. I thought about all this before I did it, and since there were so many polls, I just used average rank. I think it turned out well.

This isn't my poll, this is an average of 18 SportsHoopla board members' polls. So it is very credible

And yes, it is actually less credible, even with many polls to compile. The type of problem Smart already showed still holds even when there are many voters, as the following example demonstrates.

Consider 20 voters, in which a team gets ranked

18, 20, 20, 20, 21,
22, 23, 23, 23, 24,
24, 24, 25, UR, UR,
UR, UR, UR, UR, UR

In the point summation system that all the major organizations use, this gets transformed into:

8, 6, 6, 6, 5,
4, 3, 3, 3, 2,
2, 2, 1, 0, 0,
0, 0, 0, 0, 0

and such a team will still end up in the 20-25 range of the compiled poll, since the unranked votes are all worth 0 points, which is only a few places worse than the approximate 3.92 points that the voters that rank the team give it, which is consistent with the voters that have the team unranked probably having the team in the 25-30 range.

But in the arbitrary system that you're using, this gets transformed into:

18, 20, 20, 20, 21,
22, 23, 23, 23, 24,
24, 24, 25, 47, 47,
47, 47, 47, 47, 47

The unranked votes are now WAY worse than the ranked votes, since there is a huge gap between 47 and 22.08, and the team will likely be pulled out of the Top 25 entirely.

 

[Shanemansj13]

5 B1G and 6 SEC teams...hmm

Sounds right.

 

[theSabanator20]

SI Poll

1. FSU
2. Alabama
3. OU
4. tOSU
5. UCLA
6. Michigan St.
7. Auburn
8. Oregon
9. Stanford
10. Baylor
11. USCe
12. Georgia
13. ND
14. LSU
15. Wisconsin
16. Clemson
17. USC
18. Ole Miss
19. ASU
20. A&M
21. Kansas St.
22. Missouri
23. Oregon State
24. Nebraska
25. Marshall


SportsHoopla Poll

1. Florida State(16)----1.1111
2. Oklahoma(1)--------4.0556
3. Oregon---------------5.2778
4. Alabama-------------5.5000
5. Auburn(1)-----------6.8889
6. Ohio State-----------8.0556
7. UCLA-----------------8.1111
8. Michigan State-------9.2222
9. South Carolina-------10.4444
10. Baylor---------------13.2222
11. Stanford------------13.4444
12. LSU-----------------15.5000
13. Wisconsin----------15.5556
14. Clemson------------17.6111
15. Georgia-------------20.9444
16. Arizona State-------21.3889
17. Notre Dame---------21.6111
18. USC------------------21.8889
19. Nebraska------------25.4444
20. Ole Miss-------------28.8883
21. Oklahoma State-----29.6111
22. Iowa-----------------30.8333
23. Washington----------32.0000
24. Kansas State--------32.6111
25. Texas----------------34.3333

 

[BoiseStateFan27]

Interesting new take on it, thanks for the hard work sir

we'll have this as our preseason top 25

While it may cause ranking changes, I do ask that we return to the usual SportsHoopla format after week 1.


The poll did turn out reasonable, I say a good job by everyone.

 

[BusSport]

Since the original poster won't use the standard tallying method used by all major organizations (AP Poll, Coaches Poll, Harris Poll, etc.) and instead insists on his own arbitrary method, I've gone ahead and tallied all the votes from the voting thread using the standard tallying method.

So, the actual/fixed/corrected official results:

# ----- SCHOOL (1ST-PLACE VOTES) --- POINTS
1 ----- Florida State (16) --- 448
2 ----- Oklahoma (1) --- 395
3 ----- Oregon --- 373
4 ----- Alabama --- 369
5 ----- Auburn (1) --- 365
6 ----- Ohio State --- 344
7 ----- UCLA --- 322
8 ----- Michigan State --- 289
9 ----- South Carolina --- 280
10 ----- Baylor --- 251
11 ----- Stanford --- 247
12 ----- LSU --- 232
13 ----- Wisconsin --- 209
14 ----- Clemson --- 193
15 ----- Georgia --- 154
16 ----- Notre Dame --- 142
17 ----- Southern California --- 137
18 ----- Arizona State --- 125
19 ----- Mississippi --- 96
20 ----- Nebraska --- 94
21 ----- Oklahoma State --- 82
22 ----- Iowa --- 81
23 (tie) Washington --- 60
23 (tie) Texas --- 60
25 ----- Duke --- 53

Others receiving votes:

26 ----- Kansas State --- 49
27 ----- Mississippi State --- 45
28 ----- Missouri --- 43
29 ----- Brigham Young --- 42
30 ----- North Carolina --- 38
31 ----- Louisville --- 33
32 ----- Texas A&M --- 31
33 (tie) Houston --- 24
33 (tie) Florida --- 24
33 (tie) UCF --- 24
36 ----- Michigan --- 22
37 ----- Marshall --- 18
38 ----- Texas Tech --- 12
39 ----- Oregon State --- 10
40 ----- TCU --- 9
41 ----- Virginia Tech --- 7
42 ----- Nevada --- 6
43 ----- Cincinnati --- 5
44 ----- Miami (Fla.) --- 4
45 ----- Boise State --- 3
46 (tie) Bowling Green --- 1
46 (tie) Arizona --- 1

(The total number of points is 5852, 2 more points than the 5850 points usually expected of 18 voters, because in post #15 of the voting, a voter put 3 different teams into a 25th-place tie.)

 

[4down20]

I didn't see any change in the top15 between the 2 methods. Did I miss one? Seems like Notre Dame @ 16 with the AP method is the first change, the 1st method had ASU there.

Not a whole lot of difference, but a few changes towards the end.

 

[occupant]

The total number of points is 5852, 2 more points than the 5850 points usually expected of 18 voters, because in post #15 of the voting, a voter put 3 different teams into a 25th-place tie.)

Sorry guise...

My formula put them in the tie so I had to post it.

 

[Yapp14]

Before I give the list, here are the facts:

1. I didn't use the AP, USA Today, Coaches Poll etc. formula with 1=25, 2=24, 3=23, etc...

2. Instead, I used a system somewhat similar to FPI, but not exactly the same.

3. I compiled 18 polls, which listed a total of 47 teams receiving top 25 votes.

4. I used the average ranking in each poll to determine a team's ranking position. If they were not ranked in a poll, I simply input #47 as their ranking. This is because there were a total of 47 teams given a top 25 ranking. So if a team did not get ranked in one poll, but did in others, the only unbiased variable I could use was 47, meaning that if someone didn't rank a team, and there were 47 teams listed as perceivable top 25 teams, then that means there could possibly be 46 teams that are perceived to be equal to or better than that team in particular.

5. There were 7 teams that were consensus top 25 ranked teams: FSU, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma, Michigan State, UCLA, and South Carolina.

6. Now that I think I have explained this thoroughly enough, I will now post the top 25 in this format:

Rank--Team--First Place Votes(if any)--TMA(theSabanator20's Matrix Average)

I think you did a heckuva job putting this together