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Zack Phillips would look good in a Flames uniform...

2-0 Sea Dogs

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Here you go! From a game this year where the Sea Dogs wore Saint John Flames jerseys to honour the 10th anniversary of their Calder Cup win. ;)
 

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Julian, congrats on the win! Can't wait to take Despres off your hands :) Although our D-corps are quite crowded at the moment...still, Despres is world class talent, and seriously close to NHL ready, and I'm absolutely PUMPED to watch him play up here.

Thanks! Even if Despres doesn't make the NHL next season he will be 20 and therefore eligible for the AHL. Most people around here consider him as good as gone next season. There was some talk that if we were selected to host the Memorial Cup next season (which we eventually were not) that the Penguins might be kind enough to send him back to us to let him captain another Memorial Cup contending team. Even that would have been a pipe dream but you never know. Either way I'm happy for him. I'm sure the World Junior collapse is a distant memory for him now.
 

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lol.... some 55 year old chick gets chosen to shoot for a million....
20 pucks from the far blueline, the whole net to shoot at....
I don't think she got a single one past the hashmarks.

I watched on the big screen from the Sea Dogs home venue with a few thousand other people. All the guys were laughing and all the women were saying "Awww that poor woman!". She might have been alright if she drew the chance to shoot from the close blue line for $100,000. Oh well she still got $5000.
 

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But I must say I'm really surprised that practising in her basement didn't help her at all. :L
 

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I saw plenty of RNH in the Dub and after watching Huberdeau at this tourney, I'd take Jonathan if I were the Oilers.

Hall, Eberle, Huberdeau/RNH? The Oilers could score 410 goals with either 1 of those trios.
 

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did the coaches always wear poppies the day of the memorial cup final or was this year a first?
 

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Here you go! From a game this year where the Sea Dogs wore Saint John Flames jerseys to honour the 10th anniversary of their Calder Cup win. ;)

Ha Ha...very nice. He's rated 15 amongst NA skaters going into the draft and the Flames pick 13th. Looks to have good wheels and a sweet pair of hands, something the Flames don't have an abundance of.

/rep
 

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Ha Ha...very nice. He's rated 15 amongst NA skaters going into the draft and the Flames pick 13th. Looks to have good wheels and a sweet pair of hands, something the Flames don't have an abundance of.

/rep

Yeah I think it was TSN that did a mid-season mock draft and they actaully had him going to the Flames. Seems like a good fit.
 

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Yeah I think it was TSN that did a mid-season mock draft and they actaully had him going to the Flames. Seems like a good fit.

and he was the guy that was late on the backcheck on MIS' 3 on 2 goal :thumb:



/sweet-assed pass to get the puck to Heburdeau on the 3rd goal though.
 

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and he was the guy that was late on the backcheck on MIS' 3 on 2 goal :thumb:

DeSerres should have had that one, he stopped everything else...

/I kid, that was a rocket.

//If Zack Phillips is still available, I hope Flames brass takes a good long look at him. Never hurts bringing on players who have championships under their belt.
 

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I think it's too late. I'll be surprised if he doesn't go in the top 4.

Have you heard anything about Lewiston being disbanded? I guess they're going to move the franshise to Sherbrooke, but they won't start playing their until the 2012/2013 season. This means there will be a dispersal draft for all of Lewiston's players.

Okay so it looks like I gave you some wrong information earlier in this thread. With my team playing for and winning the Memorial Cup I wasn't following this story as closely as I might have been otherwise.

It appears the Maineiacs are indeed folding and a dispersal draft will be happening soon. :( The QMJHL will play with 17 teams for 2011-2012. And then strangely enough the rumour is they will be expanding to Sherbrooke for 2012-2013. It seems strange that they don't just relocate the team to Sherbrooke instead of having a dispersal draft and then turning around and having an expansion draft a year later. I've read about 2 possible reasons for this. One, as previously mentioned, is that the franchise came from Sherbrooke and the owner left on bad terms so they are looking for a new ownership group. The other is that Sherbrooke needs a year before they have a suitabe building.

I'm not sure if this could be part of the reasoning too or just an added bonus, but as hosts the QMJHL will be sending 2 teams to the Memorial Cup next year. Within the QMJHL a dispersal draft won't really help the stronger teams because the weaker teams will be picking ahead of them, so it helps everyone else close the gap. But where the strong teams would benefit is once they get to the Memorial Cup tournament, since all QMJHL teams will be adding some depth if nothing else while the teams from the other leagues will remain unaffected. Going from 18 to 17 teams isn't likely to do too much for the teams picking late but could make them a bit stronger.

Now how this will all affect Kabanov will be interesting to see how it plays out. Kabanov is 1 of the elite players on the Maineiacs roster but he is 19 and likely only has 1 year left in the QMJHL and rosters are limited to only 2 European players. So its likely that several players that aren't as good as Kabanov will get picked ahead of him because the difference would have to be enough to make it worthwhile to use 1 of the 2 Euro spots. Plus as mentioned he is 19. The teams picking early in the dispersal draft are likely rebuilding and looking 2 or 3 years down the road. They might be interested in drafting a talented 19 year old Canadian or American kid with the expectation of trading him, but Europeans can sometimes be hard to trade and/or get good value for because of the previously mentioned limitations.

GMs are really going to earn their paychecks with this draft. Its not as simple as taking the best player available as they would usually do with the midget and euro drafts because instead of having a pool of players of approximately the same age from which to pick, there will be players ranging from 16 to 20 years old and they have to decide how these players would fit into their long-term plans.
 
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Okay so it looks like I gave you some wrong information earlier in this thread. With my team playing for and winning the Memorial Cup I wasn't following this story as closely as I might have been otherwise.

It appears the Maineiacs are indeed folding and a dispersal draft will be happening soon. :( The QMJHL will play with 17 teams for 2011-2012. And then strangely enough the rumour is they will be expanding to Sherbrooke for 2012-2013. It seems strange that they don't just relocate the team to Sherbrooke instead of having a dispersal draft and then turning around and having an expansion draft a year later. I've read about 2 possible reasons for this. One, as previously mentioned, is that the franchise came from Sherbrooke and the owner left on bad terms so they are looking for a new ownership group. The other is that Sherbrooke needs a year before they have a suitabe building.

I'm not sure if this could be part of the reasoning too or just an added bonus, but as hosts the QMJHL will be sending 2 teams to the Memorial Cup next year. Within the QMJHL a dispersal draft won't really help the stronger teams because the weaker teams will be picking ahead of them, so it helps everyone else close the gap. But where the strong teams would benefit is once they get to the Memorial Cup tournament, since all QMJHL teams will be adding some depth if nothing else while the teams from the other leagues will remain unaffected. Going from 18 to 17 teams isn't likely to do too much for the teams picking late but could make them a bit stronger.

Now how this will all affect Kabanov will be interesting to see how it plays out. Kabanov is 1 of the elite players on the Maineiacs roster but he is 19 and likely only has 1 year left in the QMJHL and rosters are limited to only 2 European players. So its likely that several players that aren't as good as Kabanov will get picked ahead of him because the difference would have to be enough to make it worthwhile to use 1 of the 2 Euro spots. Plus as mentioned he is 19. The teams picking early in the dispersal draft are likely rebuilding and looking 2 or 3 years down the road. They might be interested in drafting a talented 19 year old Canadian or American kid with the expectation of trading him, but Europeans can sometimes be hard to trade and/or get good value for because of the previously mentioned limitations.

GMs are really going to earn their paychecks with this draft. Its not as simple as taking the best player available as they would usually do with the midget and euro drafts because instead of having a pool of players of approximately the same age from which to pick, there will be players ranging from 16 to 20 years old and they have to decide how these players would fit into their long-term plans.

They should move the Maineiacs to Chilliwack! :p
 

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Okay so it looks like I gave you some wrong information earlier in this thread. With my team playing for and winning the Memorial Cup I wasn't following this story as closely as I might have been otherwise.

It appears the Maineiacs are indeed folding and a dispersal draft will be happening soon. :( The QMJHL will play with 17 teams for 2011-2012. And then strangely enough the rumour is they will be expanding to Sherbrooke for 2012-2013. It seems strange that they don't just relocate the team to Sherbrooke instead of having a dispersal draft and then turning around and having an expansion draft a year later. I've read about 2 possible reasons for this. One, as previously mentioned, is that the franchise came from Sherbrooke and the owner left on bad terms so they are looking for a new ownership group. The other is that Sherbrooke needs a year before they have a suitabe building.

I'm not sure if this could be part of the reasoning too or just an added bonus, but as hosts the QMJHL will be sending 2 teams to the Memorial Cup next year. Within the QMJHL a dispersal draft won't really help the stronger teams because the weaker teams will be picking ahead of them, so it helps everyone else close the gap. But where the strong teams would benefit is once they get to the Memorial Cup tournament, since all QMJHL teams will be adding some depth if nothing else while the teams from the other leagues will remain unaffected. Going from 18 to 17 teams isn't likely to do too much for the teams picking late but could make them a bit stronger.

Now how this will all affect Kabanov will be interesting to see how it plays out. Kabanov is 1 of the elite players on the Maineiacs roster but he is 19 and likely only has 1 year left in the QMJHL and rosters are limited to only 2 European players. So its likely that several players that aren't as good as Kabanov will get picked ahead of him because the difference would have to be enough to make it worthwhile to use 1 of the 2 Euro spots. Plus as mentioned he is 19. The teams picking early in the dispersal draft are likely rebuilding and looking 2 or 3 years down the road. They might be interested in drafting a talented 19 year old Canadian or American kid with the expectation of trading him, but Europeans can sometimes be hard to trade and/or get good value for because of the previously mentioned limitations.

GMs are really going to earn their paychecks with this draft. Its not as simple as taking the best player available as they would usually do with the midget and euro drafts because instead of having a pool of players of approximately the same age from which to pick, there will be players ranging from 16 to 20 years old and they have to decide how these players would fit into their long-term plans.

From what I understand if Kabanov is available when Quebec picks they will take him. Do you think Patrick Roy will be a good influence on Kabanov?
 

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From what I understand if Kabanov is available when Quebec picks they will take him. Do you think Patrick Roy will be a good influence on Kabanov?

That's hard to say whether or not he would be. I certainly don't think it could hurt him at this point though. He seems to have matured enough on his own in the past year. But playing for Quebec in general could help prepare him for the NHL. Its the biggest city in the QMJHL and with all due respect their average attendance might even be higher than what the Islanders have been drawing the past few seasons. It might be a bit of a culture shock though for a young russian who has become fluent in English having played in 2 mostly English cities to all of a sudden play in a mainly French city.

Tomorrow is the dispersal draft. I'd be a bit surprised if he's still around when Quebec picks. I believe they will pick 15th of 17. Even though being a European comes with certain limitations I don't know that it would drop him that far in the draft. There are some teams who already have 2 good euros but I'm sure 1 of the 14 teams that pick ahead of Quebec could find a spot for him if the dropoff in talent to the best available North American is significant. I'm not surprised Quebec is interested though. I know they really wanted him before he was drafted and tried to trade up to acquire the pick so they could take him at the 2009 CHL Import Draft.
 

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If he is far and away the top player available (or one of.... Etienne Brodeur put up some good numbers, too), wouldn't it make sense for a shitty team to take him, and trade him for younger assets to a contender that would need him for a run this year?

/risk of course being that Kabanov makes the Isles.
 

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If he is far and away the top player available (or one of.... Etienne Brodeur put up some good numbers, too), wouldn't it make sense for a shitty team to take him, and trade him for younger assets to a contender that would need him for a run this year?

/risk of course being that Kabanov makes the Isles.

I don't expect Kabanov to make the Isles. I imagine they want him to continue his strong play in the playoffs during the regular season.
 

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Wow! Roy (Quebec) passes on Kabanov and the team Kabanov helped upset, the Montreal Junior, pick him with the 16th pick. I really didn't think he would last that long. But again, being a Euro comes with limitations. All the other teams must be happy with the 2 Europeans they currently have or intend to draft younger ones whenever that draft is. With all other things being equal, no way would a North American kid last that long.

As Puck mentioned, it could make sense to pick him and then trade him but Euros are hard to move sometime, at least for fair value. There usually aren't many teams with an available Euro spot.

In Montreal Kabanov will get a taste of big city life but the Junior are pretty much a "small market" team, averaging about 2000 fans per game. Montreal isn't a hockey city, its a Habs city. Hopefully for him and the Isles, his off-ice shenanigans are a thing of the past. They were never that serious to begin with (sleeping in). If he's a partier than Montreal might be the last place the Isles would have wanted him to go.
 

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Wow! Roy (Quebec) passes on Kabanov and the team Kabanov helped upset, the Montreal Junior, pick him with the 16th pick. I really didn't think he would last that long. But again, being a Euro comes with limitations. All the other teams must be happy with the 2 Europeans they currently have or intend to draft younger ones whenever that draft is. With all other things being equal, no way would a North American kid last that long.

As Puck mentioned, it could make sense to pick him and then trade him but Euros are hard to move sometime, at least for fair value. There usually aren't many teams with an available Euro spot.

In Montreal Kabanov will get a taste of big city life but the Junior are pretty much a "small market" team, averaging about 2000 fans per game. Montreal isn't a hockey city, its a Habs city. Hopefully for him and the Isles, his off-ice shenanigans are a thing of the past. They were never that serious to begin with (sleeping in). If he's a partier than Montreal might be the last place the Isles would have wanted him to go.

This is definately going to be a test for Kirill. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
 
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