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[zeke2829]

that still not coming from the Rams but like i said he had every right to that 13m. why would he take a cut when someone was going to give it to him. they traded him not because of money it was just a case that Fisher couldn't take a chance on him getting hurt again and playing the season with a back up QB again. that would be coaching suicide. he thought Foles would be a serviceable QB. but it didn't work out.

I can give you more if you would like!

 

[zeke2829]

that still not coming from the Rams but like i said he had every right to that 13m. why would he take a cut when someone was going to give it to him. they traded him not because of money it was just a case that Fisher couldn't take a chance on him getting hurt again and playing the season with a back up QB again. that would be coaching suicide. he thought Foles would be a serviceable QB. but it didn't work out.

um they traded him because he sucks!.......and not worth the $$

 

[zeke2829]

Here you go Coog, I've gotta leave now
sam bradford getting sacked - Bing video

 

[27mtrcougar]

Here you go Coog, I've gotta leave now
sam bradford getting sacked - Bing video

oh a Marty Gillard sighting… Sam had some great weapons. my god those teams sucked.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Rams chose Nick Foles trade over getting a 1st-round pick

ST. LOUIS -- Nick Foles sat between Rams head coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead as they tried to explain why Sam Bradford had become expendable in the trade with the Eagles for Foles. Fisher said Bradford would probably not have been back even if he'd agreed to a pay cut.

Snead referred to the Bradford situation as a "quarterback conundrum" and Fisher said he thought the 6-foot-6 Foles was a good fit for the offense. Foles threw 27 touchdown passes with two interceptions in 2013, and was 9-4 as the starter.

well I believe they still have a QB CONUDRUM lol

 

[zeke2829]

oh a Marty Gillard sighting… Sam had some great weapons. my god those teams sucked.

please keep watching this video it gets better as it goes!

 

[Vitamike]

Generally speaking, you are correct Vita that teams don't routinely cut their first round pick BEFORE their third year due to bad playing performance but it is not unheard of and here is a list of them that did get eventually cut because they were so bad and taken in the first. There are several that never made it to their third year. Audray Bruce and Demetrius Underwood come to mind. See for yourself.

Sad, miserable, first-round draft flops for all 32 teams

Historically you are correct that it's not unheard of, but I think it's getting further and fewer between for two reasons.

1. The current CBA. Notice that none of those first rounders on your list came after 2010, right? That's because the cost of keeping those guys around to see if they pan out is now on the cheap compared to years past.
2. Spread offenses. As I mentioned prior, the spread offense has taken over CFB, mainly because college defenses have to account for the QB on every play and it makes it difficult for teams without a lot of NFL defensive talent to stop them. The OL guys are limited because not a whole lot is asked of them in spread offenses as compared to pro style offenses. So offensive lineman coming out of college are way behind in their development in moving to the next level. For this reason, almost all offensive lineman are projects. Finding out what you have or don't have, especially at LT, may take a few years.

 

[Retroram52]

It may take a few years but guys like LT Matthews who we whiffed on is playing pretty darn well the last time I checked. It's suspect that development of QBs and O-lineman may be on the same time frame nowadays. As Bill Walsh used to state. He like to work with a guy for at least fours years before bringing him in and he lamented that often that was unrealistic. I suppose it is hyperspeed now and thus many QBs and O-lineman or behind. We shall see about GRob. He is playing better recently but he still misses many run and pass blocking assignments his rating is atrocious and has not improved compared to say a Wichmann or Havenstein. I think GRob would do better inside at LG.

 

[Smed55]

My understanding is the owner met with Kelly not with the intention of firing him only to get a feel for the future. But Kelly was such a prick in the meeting that the owner cut ties.

I can see that happening?

 

[27mtrcougar]

please keep watching this video it gets better as it goes!

This shows what?? Another missed block by the Oline? How he got up from that I have no idea but shows his toughness you have to admit. He may be crossed eyed but no scared poopey pants!

 

[27mtrcougar]

It may take a few years but guys like LT Matthews who we whiffed on is playing pretty darn well the last time I checked. It's suspect that development of QBs and O-lineman may be on the same time frame nowadays. As Bill Walsh used to state. He like to work with a guy for at least fours years before bringing him in and he lamented that often that was unrealistic. I suppose it is hyperspeed now and thus many QBs and O-lineman or behind. We shall see about GRob. He is playing better recently but he still misses many run and pass blocking assignments his rating is atrocious and has not improved compared to say a Wichmann or Havenstein. I think GRob would do better inside at LG.

Here is a list of Tackles and their performance going into week 17. I just stopped at Rob Havenstein to show he's having a really good year for a rookie. whats really cool is his pass blocking has been better then his run blocking. coming into the season that was his major concern… if he could pass block. He can! Notice Barksdale is having a solid year but we have Havenstein for a lot less money. any overall rating of 90 or better is considered Elite. 85-89 is considered all pro. 79-84 = Above Avg starter. Greg Robinson has a rating of 28.6. Im really surprised his bad play isn't more obvious? maybe i just haven't notice.

# TEAM NAME RANK OVERALL PASS BLOCK RUN BLOCK PASS SNAPS RUN SNAPS
73 CLV Joe Thomas 1 94.0 93.5 89.6 692 358
77 DAL Tyron Smith 2 93.1 91.7 96.6 568 415
72 NO Terron Armstead 3 90.9 89.2 92.8 609 343
77 CIN Andrew Whitworth 4 90.0 87.9 90.4 570 415
77 BUF Cordy Glenn 5 89.0 89.3 79.2 557 445
71 WAS Trent Williams 6 88.0 90.0 78.9 546 398
72 CLV Mitchell Schwartz 7 86.9 87.2 79.0 692 358
74 SF Joe Staley 8 86.8 84.2 89.1 602 351
73 ATL Ryan Schraeder 9 85.7 87.3 72.7 664 411
72 OAK Donald Penn 10 84.8 86.1 77.4 651 377
77 TEN Taylor Lewan 11 83.3 84.4 78.6 584 339
76 HST Duane Brown 12 82.7 87.3 63.8 540 371
77 PIT Marcus Gilbert 13 82.1 83.1 73.6 655 378
71 PHI Jason Peters 14 81.7 80.3 87.5 423 295
68 ARZ Jared Veldheer 15 81.4 78.9 85.4 594 436
76 IND Joe Reitz 16 80.9 81.2 74.2 593 335
76 WAS Morgan Moses 17 80.8 79.4 82.1 583 403
77 OAK Austin Howard 18 80.7 85.2 62.7 524 306
72 BLT Kelechi Osemele 18 80.7 75.6 97.7 584 327
72 SD Joe Barksdale 20 79.4 83.3 64.5 701 385
68 PIT Kelvin Beachum 20 79.4 81.5 72.3 187 142
70 ATL Jake Matthews 22 79.2 79.3 72.1 673 399
60 BLT Eugene Monroe 23 79.1 80.8 66.4 206 113
74 IND Anthony Castonzo 24 78.7 79.1 72.8 549 291
76 SEA Russell Okung 25 78.2 78.0 77.1 483 386
73 GB J.C. Tretter 26 77.2 76.0 77.4 217 161
65 PHI Lane Johnson 27 77.1 77.0 78.6 675 449
69 GB David Bakhtiari 28 76.8 85.6 43.1 601 374
79 SL Rob Havenstein 29 76.5 74.9 76.2 350 324

 

[zeke2829]

Here is a list of Tackles and their performance going into week 17. I just stopped at Rob Havenstein to show he's having a really good year for a rookie. whats really cool is his pass blocking has been better then his run blocking. coming into the season that was his major concern… if he could pass block. He can! Notice Barksdale is having a solid year but we have Havenstein for a lot less money. any overall rating of 90 or better is considered Elite. 85-89 is considered all pro. 79-84 = Above Avg starter. Greg Robinson has a rating of 28.6. Im really surprised his bad play isn't more obvious? maybe i just haven't notice.

# TEAM NAME RANK OVERALL PASS BLOCK RUN BLOCK PASS SNAPS RUN SNAPS
73 CLV Joe Thomas 1 94.0 93.5 89.6 692 358
77 DAL Tyron Smith 2 93.1 91.7 96.6 568 415
72 NO Terron Armstead 3 90.9 89.2 92.8 609 343
77 CIN Andrew Whitworth 4 90.0 87.9 90.4 570 415
77 BUF Cordy Glenn 5 89.0 89.3 79.2 557 445
71 WAS Trent Williams 6 88.0 90.0 78.9 546 398
72 CLV Mitchell Schwartz 7 86.9 87.2 79.0 692 358
74 SF Joe Staley 8 86.8 84.2 89.1 602 351
73 ATL Ryan Schraeder 9 85.7 87.3 72.7 664 411
72 OAK Donald Penn 10 84.8 86.1 77.4 651 377
77 TEN Taylor Lewan 11 83.3 84.4 78.6 584 339
76 HST Duane Brown 12 82.7 87.3 63.8 540 371
77 PIT Marcus Gilbert 13 82.1 83.1 73.6 655 378
71 PHI Jason Peters 14 81.7 80.3 87.5 423 295
68 ARZ Jared Veldheer 15 81.4 78.9 85.4 594 436
76 IND Joe Reitz 16 80.9 81.2 74.2 593 335
76 WAS Morgan Moses 17 80.8 79.4 82.1 583 403
77 OAK Austin Howard 18 80.7 85.2 62.7 524 306
72 BLT Kelechi Osemele 18 80.7 75.6 97.7 584 327
72 SD Joe Barksdale 20 79.4 83.3 64.5 701 385
68 PIT Kelvin Beachum 20 79.4 81.5 72.3 187 142
70 ATL Jake Matthews 22 79.2 79.3 72.1 673 399
60 BLT Eugene Monroe 23 79.1 80.8 66.4 206 113
74 IND Anthony Castonzo 24 78.7 79.1 72.8 549 291
76 SEA Russell Okung 25 78.2 78.0 77.1 483 386
73 GB J.C. Tretter 26 77.2 76.0 77.4 217 161
65 PHI Lane Johnson 27 77.1 77.0 78.6 675 449
69 GB David Bakhtiari 28 76.8 85.6 43.1 601 374
79 SL Rob Havenstein 29 76.5 74.9 76.2 350 324

Jason Peters #71, now why wouldn't you want this guy??

 

[27mtrcougar]

Jason Peters #71, now why wouldn't you want this guy??

one… he's not a FA so i don't know how we would get him. he's good don't get me wrong but he had a real bad game last week allowing 2 sacks and seems to be on the decline. he makes 10m a year will be 34 he might retire next year. Now Kelechi Osemele is 26 and a FA next year… notice his run blocking of 97.7 tops in the NFL. I would rather have him at 8m a year long term

 

[zeke2829]

one… he's not a FA so i don't know how we would get him. he's good don't get me wrong but he had a real bad game last week allowing 2 sacks and seems to be on the decline. he makes 10m a year will be 34 he might retire next year. Now Kelechi Osemele is 26 and a FA next year… notice his run blocking of 97.7 tops in the NFL. I would rather have him at 8m a year long term

What??....They could easily cut him for the very reasons that you've already mentioned! In 2016, he has a high CAP # Low dead $$, and he is getting up there in age! Same thing that were probably gonna do with Chris Long! Come on boy think for a change!

 

[zeke2829]

one… he's not a FA so i don't know how we would get him. he's good don't get me wrong but he had a real bad game last week allowing 2 sacks and seems to be on the decline. he makes 10m a year will be 34 he might retire next year. Now Kelechi Osemele is 26 and a FA next year… notice his run blocking of 97.7 tops in the NFL. I would rather have him at 8m a year long term

Hey Coog
I think the reason JP gave up sacks last week was due to the fact that Chip was his coach and Sam was the qb . I'll betcha if Foles was the qb that would have happened!

 

[Retroram52]

Havenstein is going to be a great one and we whiffed on both Matthews and Lewan. We had Barksdale and let him go but he was primarily a RT as is Havenstein. I'll take Havenstein any day. We need to find a "Havenstein" LT in this year's draft and a Center.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Hey Coog
I think the reason JP gave up sacks last week was due to the fact that Chip was his coach and Sam was the qb . I'll betcha if Foles was the qb that would have happened!

I think he was pissed at Chip. Not Sam. They said he had some extra bounce in his step yesterday at practice.

 

[Retroram52]

Just give Wichmann another season and he'll be on that list as well Cougie!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Hey Coog
I think the reason JP gave up sacks last week was due to the fact that Chip was his coach and Sam was the qb . I'll betcha if Foles was the qb that would have happened!

Yeah but he will still want 10m a year not worth it! We don't want another Long type player at the end of his career. Plenty of young studs out there for cheaper. I bet Gurley would be all in on Osemele!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Just give Wichmann another season and he'll be on that list as well Cougie!

Yeah you did call Wichmann from the beginning. All of these young lineman got their feet wet this year. They should be ready to rock & roll next year. Yes we need a stud Center.