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[SJ76]

So let me ask you guys... are you good with going into next season with Case Keenum as our quarterback?

All we need is a somewhat mobile, smart QB who won't LOSE us games Coug.. Our Oline needs a bit more help and we need to keeping beefing up on defense. What you don't understand for some reason is that we are NOT a pass happy team. Our blueprint is more like the Seahawks just not with a mobile QB. Look at Carolina's game plan. You know how crucial it is to have a QB that can get you 3-5 yards on a broken pass play or when no one is open? Carolina's WR's are worse than Philly's.

Rams are inconsistent yes, but we've beaten Seattle twice and AZ in AZ - and the losses nor the wins were solely because of the QB. 5 game losing streak was a head scratcher Rams are a few pieces away from being really good if coached to be consistent and no we don't need Sam Bradford. Sam needs to go to an up tempo offense like what Chip Kelly runs. Chip might have been an idiot as far as a GM and play calling at times, but his offense is pretty good and it wears down defenses. This works in the Pac 12 and Big 12, but in the NFL it's not about score, score, score.. It's about ball control and playing defense. Even New England has had a good defense, along with that offense. New England's offense is very much like Chip Kelly's offense, but without the HURRY UP.

 

[SJ76]

Historically you are correct that it's not unheard of, but I think it's getting further and fewer between for two reasons.

1. The current CBA. Notice that none of those first rounders on your list came after 2010, right? That's because the cost of keeping those guys around to see if they pan out is now on the cheap compared to years past.
2. Spread offenses. As I mentioned prior, the spread offense has taken over CFB, mainly because college defenses have to account for the QB on every play and it makes it difficult for teams without a lot of NFL defensive talent to stop them. The OL guys are limited because not a whole lot is asked of them in spread offenses as compared to pro style offenses. So offensive lineman coming out of college are way behind in their development in moving to the next level. For this reason, almost all offensive lineman are projects. Finding out what you have or don't have, especially at LT, may take a few years.

Or Olineman like GRob that rarely pass blocked and played for an Auburn team that ran 80-90% of the time. Bringing that guy into the NFC West to then teach him how to pass block has to be one of the biggest projects the Rams have tried in the last decade - and they have had some serious projects. Not to mention we missed out on Sammy Watkins.

I agree on the spread O / Olineman assessment tho Vita. I think the uptempo of the college game is going to force the NCAA to make some changes in rules TBH. Slowing it down.

Another reason Chip's offense is flawed is that eventually those hits on the QB are going to take a toll. I'm surprised Bradford hasn't been hurt or layed out completely.

 

[zeke2829]

All we need is a somewhat mobile, smart QB who won't LOSE us games Coug.. Our Oline needs a bit more help and we need to keeping beefing up on defense. What you don't understand for some reason is that we are NOT a pass happy team. Our blueprint is more like the Seahawks just not with a mobile QB. Look at Carolina's game plan. You know how crucial it is to have a QB that can get you 3-5 yards on a broken pass play or when no one is open? Carolina's WR's are worse than Philly's.

Rams are inconsistent yes, but we've beaten Seattle twice and AZ in AZ - and the losses nor the wins were solely because of the QB. 5 game losing streak was a head scratcher Rams are a few pieces away from being really good if coached to be consistent and no we don't need Sam Bradford. Sam needs to go to an up tempo offense like what Chip Kelly runs. Chip might have been an idiot as far as a GM and play calling at times, but his offense is pretty good and it wears down defenses. This works in the Pac 12 and Big 12, but in the NFL it's not about score, score, score.. It's about ball control and playing defense. Even New England has had a good defense, along with that offense. New England's offense is very much like Chip Kelly's offense, but without the HURRY UP.

@ Chip Kelly's offense~ yah, when it works it wears downs defenses. But when it doesn't work it wears down your own defense and players end up turning against leadership! AKA Chip!

 

[27mtrcougar]

All we need is a somewhat mobile, smart QB who won't LOSE us games Coug.. Our Oline needs a bit more help and we need to keeping beefing up on defense. What you don't understand for some reason is that we are NOT a pass happy team. Our blueprint is more like the Seahawks just not with a mobile QB. Look at Carolina's game plan. You know how crucial it is to have a QB that can get you 3-5 yards on a broken pass play or when no one is open? Carolina's WR's are worse than Philly's.

Rams are inconsistent yes, but we've beaten Seattle twice and AZ in AZ - and the loses nor the wins were solely because of the QB. 5 game losing streak was a head scratcher Rams are a few pieces away from being really good if coached to be consistent and no we don't need Sam Bradford. Sam needs to go to an up tempo offense like what Chip Kelly runs. Chip might have been an idiot as far as a GM and play calling at times, but his offense is pretty good and it wears down defenses. This works in the Pac 12 and Big 12, but in the NFL it's not about score, score, score.. It's about ball control and playing defense. Even New England has had a good defense, along with that offense. New England's offense is very much like Chip Kelly's offense, but without the HURRY UP.

I can't argue with that SJ. Yeah the 5 game streak sucked. The only thing I can think of is the injuries started adding up on D and they were on the field a lot. Get a stud Center and a true #1 WR and we should be pretty good. It will be interesting to see how much they will offer Kennum since he is a FA.

 

[zeke2829]

I can't argue with that SJ. Yeah the 5 game streak sucked. The only thing I can think of is the injuries started adding up on D and they were on the field a lot. Get a stud Center and a true #1 WR and we should be pretty good.

Now your talkin!!.... I new you had it in ya boy! or should I say girl or what ever you are?

 

[SJ76]

@ Chip Kelly's offense~ yah, when it works it wears downs defenses. But when it doesn't work it wears down your own defense and players end up turning against leadership! AKA Chip!

Those first 4-5 games the offense did nothing in the first half of games. That had to wear down the Eagles D. Sometimes it seemed Chip would abandon the run at times in some games. I think he's a lot like Mad Mike Martz was after the 2001 super bowl. Chip would run the ball, but he'd totally go pass happy at times too.

 

[zeke2829]

Those first 4-5 games the offense did nothing in the first half of games. That had to wear down the Eagles D. Sometimes it seemed Chip would abandon the run at times in some games. I think he's a lot like Mad Mike Martz was after the 2001 super bowl. Chip would run the ball, but he'd totally go pass happy at times too.

All along Coog was in belief that Philly's D just plain sucks! But this was due to the failure of Chip's hurry up offense or lack of!

 

[Vitamike]

Or Olineman like GRob that rarely pass blocked and played for an Auburn team that ran 80-90% of the time. Bringing that guy into the NFC West to then teach him how to pass block has to be one of the biggest projects the Rams have tried in the last decade - and they have had some serious projects. Not to mention we missed out on Sammy Watkins.

I agree on the spread O / Olineman assessment tho Vita. I think the uptempo of the college game is going to force the NCAA to make some changes in rules TBH. Slowing it down.

Another reason Chip's offense is flawed is that eventually those hits on the QB are going to take a toll. I'm surprised Bradford hasn't been hurt or layed out completely.

Like I said in a previous post, I'm not sticking up for GRob, just explaining why the dude wont be cut and will be back despite his horrific OL rating.

BTW - I was one of the few with you on the Watkins kid, also wanted Lewan, GRob was not on my radar. I think we could have got either of those kids and still picked up Donald but that still leaves a gaping hole at LT.

 

[SJ76]

I can't argue with that SJ. Yeah the 5 game streak sucked. The only thing I can think of is the injuries started adding up on D and they were on the field a lot. Get a stud Center and a true #1 WR and we should be pretty good. It will be interesting to see how much they will offer Kennum since he is a FA.

Can we get rid of Saffold or trade Chris Long? We need to keep adding young talent, especially on the Oline.

 

[Vitamike]

# TEAM NAME RANK OVERALL PASS BLOCK RUN BLOCK PASS SNAPS RUN SNAPS
73 CLV Joe Thomas 1 94.0 93.5 89.6 692 358
77 DAL Tyron Smith 2 93.1 91.7 96.6 568 415
72 NO Terron Armstead 3 90.9 89.2 92.8 609 343
77 CIN Andrew Whitworth 4 90.0 87.9 90.4 570 415
77 BUF Cordy Glenn 5 89.0 89.3 79.2 557 445
71 WAS Trent Williams 6 88.0 90.0 78.9 546 398
72 CLV Mitchell Schwartz 7 86.9 87.2 79.0 692 358
74 SF Joe Staley 8 86.8 84.2 89.1 602 351
73 ATL Ryan Schraeder 9 85.7 87.3 72.7 664 411
72 OAK Donald Penn 10 84.8 86.1 77.4 651 377
77 TEN Taylor Lewan 11 83.3 84.4 78.6 584 339
76 HST Duane Brown 12 82.7 87.3 63.8 540 371
77 PIT Marcus Gilbert 13 82.1 83.1 73.6 655 378
71 PHI Jason Peters 14 81.7 80.3 87.5 423 295
68 ARZ Jared Veldheer 15 81.4 78.9 85.4 594 436
76 IND Joe Reitz 16 80.9 81.2 74.2 593 335
76 WAS Morgan Moses 17 80.8 79.4 82.1 583 403
77 OAK Austin Howard 18 80.7 85.2 62.7 524 306
72 BLT Kelechi Osemele 18 80.7 75.6 97.7 584 327
72 SD Joe Barksdale 20 79.4 83.3 64.5 701 385
68 PIT Kelvin Beachum 20 79.4 81.5 72.3 187 142
70 ATL Jake Matthews 22 79.2 79.3 72.1 673 399
60 BLT Eugene Monroe 23 79.1 80.8 66.4 206 113
74 IND Anthony Castonzo 24 78.7 79.1 72.8 549 291
76 SEA Russell Okung 25 78.2 78.0 77.1 483 386
73 GB J.C. Tretter 26 77.2 76.0 77.4 217 161
65 PHI Lane Johnson 27 77.1 77.0 78.6 675 449
69 GB David Bakhtiari 28 76.8 85.6 43.1 601 374
79 SL Rob Havenstein 29 76.5 74.9 76.2 350 324

It's amazing that Havenstein is even in the top 30! The overall scale is weighted heavily on pass pro and if you look a little deeper, Rob is the only player on this list with under 55% Pass snaps. As a matter of fact he's way down to 51.9%!!

 

[SJ76]

Like I said in a previous post, I'm not sticking up for GRob, just explaining why the dude wont be cut and will be back despite his horrific OL rating.

BTW - I was one of the few with you on the Watkins kid, also wanted Lewan, GRob was not on my radar. I think we could have got either of those kids and still picked up Donald but that still leaves a gaping hole at LT.

I thought we already had a gaping hole at LT even with GRob? Watkins and Donald would have been sick!

 

[SJ76]

It's amazing that Havenstein is even in the top 30! The overall scale is weighted heavily on pass pro and if you look a little deeper, Rob is the only player on this list with under 55% Pass snaps. As a matter of fact he's way down to 51.9%!!

2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Interesting stats here. Attempts we are at the bottom. We are at the bottom of about every passing category and will still probably be 8-8. Good ole Fisher

 

[Vitamike]

I thought we already had a gaping hole at LT even with GRob? Watkins and Donald would have been sick!

Yeah, I was thinking the same damn thing as I typed it.

 

[SJ76]

Yeah, I was thinking the same damn thing as I typed it.

If a good LT falls to us in the 1st round of the 2016 draft, we need to take him and move GRob to LG. No idea if we can trade Saffold, but hell we need a good back-up for him regardless really.


Happy New Year yall. I'm off to watch the Seminoles.

 

[SJ76]

All along Coog was in belief that Philly's D just plain sucks! But this was due to the failure of Chip's hurry up offense or lack of!

I thought Chip had his players ready to play in the games I watched. The Eagles D played aggressive and layed some hits when I watch. But they can't do anything about 4 turnovers in the 2nd half of that AZ game.

 

[Vitamike]

2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Interesting stats here. Attempts we are at the bottom. We are at the bottom of about every passing category and will still probably be 8-8. Good ole Fisher

In a couple of those categories you want to be at the bottom, and we are!

Sacks and Sack yards lost we did pretty good, just think a per pass attempt on those categories (INT's too!) would be more telling. For INT's we are middle of the road and shouldn't be considering our last in the league pass attempts per game.

 

[27mtrcougar]

All along Coog was in belief that Philly's D just plain sucks! But this was due to the failure of Chip's hurry up offense or lack of!

No no no the defense does suck! Granted they had some key injuries like LB Jordon Hicks who will be a stud. I think the Eagles haved moved the ball pretty good on O the D can't use that for an excuse. Last game against the Redskins the Skins snap the ball with under 5 seconds on every play which should give the D plenty of rest and no excuses. They couldn't stop them. Chips kiko Alonzo he brought in is just terrible maybe he's playing hurt but he's been bad. Besides on here I haven't heard anyone say the Phillies D sucks because of the offense.

 

[zeke2829]

I thought Chip had his players ready to play in the games I watched. The Eagles D played aggressive and layed some hits when I watch. But they can't do anything about 4 turnovers in the 2nd half of that AZ game.

In the Washington game last week Jason Peters takes himself out of the game in the 4th qtr for no reason. @ 2 days later they fire Chip.

Report: Jason Peters took himself out

 

[zeke2829]

No no no the defense does suck! Granted they had some key injuries like LB Jordon Hicks who will be a stud. I think the Eagles haved moved the ball pretty good on O the D can't use that for an excuse. Last game against the Redskins the Skins snap the ball with under 5 seconds on every play which should give the D plenty of rest and no excuses. They couldn't stop them. Chips kiko Alonzo he brought in is just terrible maybe he's playing hurt but he's been bad. Besides on here I haven't heard anyone say the Phillies D sucks because of the offense.

yah those reasons are part of the problem as well as Chips quick tempo failure!

 

[27mtrcougar]

yah those reasons are part of the problem as well as Chips quick tempo failure!

The biggest problem the Eagles O has is they can't run the ball. Look at the pass attempts sam had. They know he's going to throw it.