the gruden factor

[skinsdad62]

well here is my assessment of gruden


first of here is my philosophy on how much time a HC should get . those of you who are long term posters on SportsHoopla oe even espn know this but the newer guys may not

i think a coach should get 3 years to get his program in place year one is seeing what you have , year 2 is addressing needs , year 3 it should jell .

this isnt the end all be all but in most cases this should be it

what did gruden walk into ? first he inherited a dysfunctional team with a huge qb issue that was old and lacking in starting talent and quality NFL depth . he had no real GM and he was stuck with coaches not of his choosing . add to it a meddling owner and you get the picture

year one was a predictable disaster with none of the qbs taking the job and a defense that was plain awful . special teams werea historical failure . his 1st draft netted him moses , and grant and long

so far in year 2 we have done better . our draft was productive but injuries have appeared en mass

he made up his mind at qb and went with KC . he has 3 young o/lineman who have played well vs the pass but have struggled vs the run . young jamison clam crowder has been a revelation at wr . scherf has proven to be a good pick at RG putting moses in was a great coaching move

injuries have killed this team we have at least let our depth get some experience , and rookies like keyshone jarret have answered the bell . thompson has played very well and jones is almost there at RB

i think gruden has learned to manage the team better and has let his assistants do their jobs . barry appears to be a miss after starting out well

i think this team needs more talent and that talent needs to come from the draft . free agency gets you about half of what you sign as being productive

this year is no different . paea, golston have been iffy . pot roast has been ok RJF has been good in his role but all have disappointments . hopkins and way have bee outstanding pick ups but hatcher is way overpaid as is roberts

the defense has been a major disappointment . the d/line hasnt played like it should , murphy is a BU , kerrigan has disapeared , safety is still a mess and ilb play makes you want to puke

at this point i feel gruden should stay providing he can get to 6 or so wins . if we end up 4-12 or less then you have to let him go . but that would set the franchise back 2-3 years again but that would be understood

SM is seeing what he needs . he will see what the coaching staff is doing and what players he needs . i expect he will obtain more draft picks and get rid of the dead weight in year 2

gruden could be in that purge but i believe he will get year 3 and we will get 6 wins

 

[Sportster 72]

I have no problem with Gruden staying but ultimately if SM decides otherwise I will be okay with that too. Just as long as he doesn't want to replace him in 2 years. Continuity is a big deal. It helps players grow.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Nice summation Dad. I'd just add that I'd like to see some changes at some positions now to see what you have and develop. Preston over Murphy, Compton over Riley, Jeron over Trenton Robinson. Some more of Paea since he seems to have rebounded from his back injury.

 

[deanpet21]

Gruden and KC should be here in 2016.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I can live with Gruden being here another year provided that the rest of the season is not a complete disaster. However - Barry is another matter. If the defense performs as it has for the last month for most of the remainder of the season then he has to go. You don't retain someone for continuity when they have basically done nothing to prove that they are not complete crap.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Skinsdad - I long for the day when you don't predict the Redskins to go 6-10 for the season. Hopefully this is sometime in the not too distant future. This is not a commentary on you but rather on the sorry state of this organization which hopefully changes with SM at the helm.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad - I long for the day when you don't predict the Redskins to go 6-10 for the season. Hopefully this is sometime in the not too distant future. This is not a commentary on you but rather on the sorry state of this organization which hopefully changes with SM at the helm.

6 wins is all i can give them ever because of the track record

 

[SoCalWizFan]

6 wins is all i can give them ever because of the track record

Absolutely & you have been spot on in most cases. Again - this is not a rant against you but rather against the team. I would love to someday be like a Pats or Steelers fan (or Skins fan from the 80s) where I expect good things to happen & don't expect things to always rapidly go downhill. Thank God SM is in charge now - if that change wasn't made then I would probably be predicting gloom and doom for the next 10 years!

 

[gkekoa]

I know a lot of you see yesterday's defense as a fiasco but would you have been happy holding NE to 27 points and forcing 2 turnovers? While NE stole an extra possession by an onside kick and our offense unable to catch?

Yes it looked bad yesterday but that was the best anybody has done against NE. I would much rather NE run it, than throw it.

 

[deanpet21]

Did SM hire Barry or was that Gruden? Barry deserves another season. Injuries took a huge toll on our defense. The coaching staff and KC should remain. Hatcher is as good as gone. I knew this at draft time. That is why I wanted Williams so bad. He is old, overpaid, and not productive.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Not to keep going to the well again but this is exactly why I wanted WiWilliam too. Young DL was as big of a need as young OL once you get past this year and I was thinking long term, not quick fix.

I'm fine with Grudog returning but again the Barry hire raised questions at the time and we are seeing why now. Is it all his fault? Of course not. But when establlished players like Robinson and Kerrigan regress and the defense fails to improve, just with different issues, it looks like a bad hire.

 

[j_y19]

Not to keep going to the well again but this is exactly why I wanted WiWilliam too. Young DL was as big of a need as young OL once you get past this year and I was thinking long term, not quick fix.

I'm fine with Grudog returning but again the Barry hire raised questions at the time and we are seeing why now. Is it all his fault? Of course not. But when establlished players like Robinson and Kerrigan regress and the defense fails to improve, just with different issues, it looks like a bad hire.

It may well have been and bad hire. The question is, given our track record of firing coaches, was he our only option.

This is my fear for those of you that say fire Gruden. We are at the point, given our history, that talented coaches want nothing to do with coming here, as this is the coaching graveyard of the league. Which means we end up with the desperate coaches that are either inexperienced or trying to revive their career one last time from previous failures.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the world, 32 defensive coordinator positions as well. Unless you are Bill Billichek most available coaches do not have 4 jobs to chose from. It should not be that hard to find talented coaches.

They have been able to hire successful coaches in the past when everyone thought nobody would work for Snyder. SM is regarded as the top talent evaluator, he had a few options but chose Washington despite the obvious issues.

 

[j_y19]

There are only 32 head coaching jobs in the world, 32 defensive coordinator positions as well. Unless you are Bill Billichek most available coaches do not have 4 jobs to chose from. It should not be that hard to find talented coaches.

They have been able to hire successful coaches in the past when everyone thought nobody would work for Snyder. SM is regarded as the top talent evaluator, he had a few options but chose Washington despite the obvious issues.

I must have missed them. Who in the last 6-8 years? (besides Gibbs as that was a unique situation). Most every coach that I can think of that came here had a stain on their record or were as green and grass. I guess you might be able to make a case for Shanahan(s) but that is about it.

As for Scot, Im not so sure he had other options. He also has a checkered past and many wrote him off as a lush that couldn't be counted on. No doubt he has talent, lets hope this job doesn't drive him back to the bottle.

 

[j_y19]

Ironically, one of the up and coming candidates for a future HC job is Kyle Shanahan and we had him locked up here........but that bridge is now burned.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I must have missed them. Who in the last 6-8 years? (besides Gibbs as that was a unique situation). Most every coach that I can think of that came here had a stain on their record or were as green and grass. I guess you might be able to make a case for Shanahan(s) but that is about it.

As for Scot, Im not so sure he had other options. He also has a checkered past and many wrote him off as a lush that couldn't be counted on. No doubt he has talent, lets hope this job doesn't drive him back to the bottle.

Remember - just about every NFL head coaching vacancy is due to a team doing poorly & having fired their previous HC. It is not as if the other choices are for teams that will win the SB the following season. The Redskins situation may be bad. However - the same is true for teams like the Lions, Titans and others.

I think many here are overstating the situation in DC & making comments from afar. I am not advocating getting rid of Gruden. However - if/when they ever decide to get a new coach the situation is not that bad. They would get to work with SM which should be very helpful, they will get anything they need $$ wise, the fanbase is great & there is nowhere to go but up. Not the total disaster that many here portray.

Again - remember that Marty said that nobody would coach for Snyder and the Redskins & shortly thereafter was the Redskins head coach! I will say it again - most of the Redskins mistakes in the past were not due to lack of candidates - they were due to selecting the wrong guys. Overall - the team should be fine one way or another - it will just take time.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Ironically, one of the up and coming candidates for a future HC job is Kyle Shanahan and we had him locked up here........but that bridge is now burned.

If that involved retaining his dad then I will state that the Redskins made the right choice. That situation is a lesson for all NFL teams. You don't hire one person to be the coach and basically also the GM. Never!

 

[Sharkinva]

If that involved retaining his dad then I will state that the Redskins made the right choice. That situation is a lesson for all NFL teams. You don't hire one person to be the coach and basically also the GM. Never!

I guess the question you have to ask yourself honestly, Would we be in a better position right now with Shanahan over the last season and a half.

I for one think we would be in a better position in some areas. Then again I think the coach got fired for the wrong reasons to begin with.

 

[gkekoa]

Ironically, one of the up and coming candidates for a future HC job is Kyle Shanahan and we had him locked up here........but that bridge is now burned.

I think I said all along this should have been the plan.

 

[deanpet21]

I thought WAde Phillips would of been a better hire b/c of his experience. Cant blame Barry this year b/c of the injuries. Gruden and Barry's jobs should be safe. I had us at 4-4 at this time for the year. We are 3-5. Not a big deal considering all the injuries we had. I know injures are a part of the game but its been excessive for us.