The GOAT Vote

[trojanfan12]

WHERE THE HELL IS BILL RUSSELL IN THAT POLL VOTE?


loss me spectacles today and can't the dam stats...

He retired before 1980.

 

[trojanfan12]

Is it sad that I know who each guy is? The only one I had to look up was the great Lou Alcindor because I knew the all-star selection number was ridiculous, but I didn't know he won 6 MVPs. More than I thought he won. The GOAT is Jordan and his ridiculous ppg and 6 finals mvps. You left off the Hick from French Lick. Your Laker bias is showing

Side note. On Kareem. The older I get and the more I learn about players before my era (mid 80s till now)... The more I respect Kareem. His numbers. His longevity. A finals MVP at age 72. Dude was the 60s and 70s Tim Duncan.

I never considered MJ the GOAT. For me, it was always Magic. Then I started looking more deeply into Kareem's career. Now, I consider Kareem the GOAT.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

He retired before 1980.

So this is the greatest "LAKER" of all time vote then TF?

I always thought James Worthy was unstoppable...well him and Jabbar.

 

[trojanfan12]

So this is the greatest "LAKER" of all time vote then TF?

No. If you read the opening post. I didn't include anyone that retired before 1980 since that seems to be the dividing line that separates the old NBA from the modern day game. Not only did that exclude Bill Russell, but also guys like Wilt and Jerry West.

 

[trojanfan12]

You left off the Hick from French Lick. Your Laker bias is showing

Busted.

I gave a lot of thought to including him, but in the end, he usually falls just outside the GOAT discussion. I love me some Larry Bird, but he just missed the cut.

 

[trojanfan12]

For anyone who may not have already figured it out or might not be sure about 1 or 2.

Player A = Magic
Player B = MJ
Player C = Kareem
Player D = Lebron
Player E = Kobe
Player F = Timmy

 

[Robotech]

Busted.

I gave a lot of thought to including him, but in the end, he usually falls just outside the GOAT discussion. I love me some Larry Bird, but he just missed the cut.

LOL. I think that most would say that Bird is greater than Kobe, though.

 

[Robotech]

I voted for Magic, by the way. I think we get too enamored with points scored. Magic did a lot of other things very well. He's the greatest passer of all time, in my opinion. His rebounding can't be overlooked either.

 

[trojanfan12]

LOL. I think that most would say that Bird is greater than Kobe, though.

Maybe, but there was a time when Kobe was very much in the discussion and MJ himself said that Kobe is the player from today who is closest to how he was. Bird has never really been in the GOAT discussion.

 

[trojanfan12]

I voted for Magic, by the way. I think we get too enamored with points scored. Magic did a lot of other things very well. He's the greatest passer of all time, in my opinion. His rebounding can't be overlooked either.

Yeah, like I said earlier, Magic was GOAT in my eyes for years. But when I looked closer at Kareem's career, I changed my mind.

 

[Robotech]

I looked up Bird's stats. I was a little surprised that he averaged 10 rebounds. I probably shouldn't be because he's 6'9", but I think that Bird's rebounding probably gets overlooked. He also averaged 1.7 steals/game, which is pretty good for a front court player, in my opinion.

 

[trojanfan12]

I looked up Bird's stats. I was a little surprised that he averaged 10 rebounds. I probably shouldn't be because he's 6'9", but I think that Bird's rebounding probably gets overlooked. He also averaged 1.7 steals/game, which is pretty good for a front court player, in my opinion.

Yeah, he was always a very underrated rebounder. Probably because he did so many other things well.

 

[Robotech]

Maybe, but there was a time when Kobe was very much in the discussion and MJ himself said that Kobe is the player from today who is closest to how he was. Bird has never really been in the GOAT discussion.

Hmnn, I never really thought about it that way. Kobe's a great scorer, but he's not super in any other area, in my opinion. Bird was a great scorer, passer and rebounder, and even averaged more steals per game than Kobe. Plus, for years he was the second best player on his own team, while Bird was always the lead dog on the Celtics and he won 3 NBA MVP's.

 

[Robotech]

Yeah, he was always a very underrated rebounder. Probably because he did so many other things well.

Maybe the criticism of Bird is that he didn't play as long as other GOAT candidates. However, we could say the same about Magic.

 

[Robotech]

Yeah, like I said earlier, Magic was GOAT in my eyes for years. But when I looked closer at Kareem's career, I changed my mind.

MJ, Magic and Kareem all have very strong cases. Really, it's just a matter of preference as to who to go with. Kareem was flat out dominant.

 

[trojanfan12]

Hmnn, I never really thought about it that way. Kobe's a great scorer, but he's not super in any other area, in my opinion. Bird was a great scorer, passer and rebounder, and even averaged more steals per game than Kobe. Plus, for years he was the second best player on his own team, while Bird was always the lead dog on the Celtics and he won 3 NBA MVP's.

I agree re: Bird, I'd put him ahead of Kobe too. But I went with players who have actually been in the discussion. Kobe was also a regular on the first team All-NBA defensive team for years. He also is the only player in league history with over 30,000 and over 6,000 assists. So he has been a bit more than a great scorer.

 

[trojanfan12]

MJ, Magic and Kareem all have very strong cases. Really, it's just a matter of preference as to who to go with. Kareem was flat out dominant.

Agree. A very strong case can be made for any one of them.

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

Jordan and Lebron are easy to figure out. Should have just put the numbers without the titles, MVPs, or AS appearances.

Actually, they were all pretty much easy to figure out.

 

[CodeBreaker]

Player B.

For those people who were saying that he shouldn't have included the awards, how the hell can you vote for the GOAT without acknowledging awards lol. You can't be the GOAT without any award since MVPs and rings are huge factor obviously.

 

[trojanfan12]

Player B.

For those people who were saying that he shouldn't have included the awards, how the hell can you vote for the GOAT without acknowledging awards lol. You can't be the GOAT without any award since MVPs and rings are huge factor obviously.

Yeah, that was kind of what I had to debate. Including the awards and titles made them pretty obvious, but as you said, it's kind of hard to have a GOAT discussion or vote without including them.