The Colt vs Kirk comparison

[Sportster 72]

The most important statistici is wins. The 2nd most important is TOs. Colt has done very well. I laughed to myself last night listening to an NFL Network analyst say Griffin has to start because the Redskins can't win with McCoy dinking and dunking the ball. I guess he did not notice Colt's 10 yard per attempt average which is highest on the team and would be the highest in the NFL. I know it is a small sample size but the guy on the NFL Network as no clue.

What I really enjoyed Monday night was Colt's ability to extend plays and make something happen.

 

[j_y19]

The most important statistici is wins. The 2nd most important is TOs. Colt has done very well. I laughed to myself last night listening to an NFL Network analyst say Griffin has to start because the Redskins can't win with McCoy dinking and dunking the ball. I guess he did not notice Colt's 10 yard per attempt average which is highest on the team and would be the highest in the NFL. I know it is a small sample size but the guy on the NFL Network as no clue.

What I really enjoyed Monday night was Colt's ability to extend plays and make something happen.

I'm not going to go off the deep end praising Colt. My guess is we will see soon enough that Colt is who we all thought he was. But you did hit on a point. Colt does have the pocket presence that neither KC or RG3 have displayed at this point. There were numerous times where he felt pressure and slid while keeping his eyes down field. This is a very difficult skill to develop. Usually you either have it or you don't. The lack of this skill in RG3 is my biggest concern for his longevity and success in the NFL.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Totally agree on his pocket presence and ability to extend plays. But I'm not going overboard on his YPA. He hit 2 deep balls and both were under thrown. Other than that his game was dink and dunk. Now like in the opener I have no doubt it was the game plan But that game plan was to avoid the Houston pass rush, this game plan had less to do with avoiding pressure and more to do with McCoy's limitations IMO.

Can we just once not go overboard over what we have seen most recently? Colt McCoy is not the long term answer and I really don't feel like spending a week arguing this point,

 

[TCB]

Not hearing a lot about the jolt of energy Colt brought to the team. Best completion percentage of any Redskins QB in a game in history(not all were dink and dunk and a few were beautiful touch tosses). Clutch on 3rd down. As Sportster mentioned he extends plays. He after a few short arms and hit Djax in stride in the 3rd quarter. The guy is a winner.

 

[GNG]

Lets not get carried away here. There is a reason why Colt was available to us as a 3rd string QB. No other team wanted him. He played well yesterday. Foremost, he didn't turn the ball over. But he probably will not play that way the next time he plays. We just need to set expectations accordingly.

Colt had the misfortune of playing on a miserable Browns team but the kid is smart and makes few mistakes.

 

[TCB]

Not hearing a lot about the jolt of energy Colt brought to the team. Best completion percentage of any Redskins QB in a game in history(not all were dink and dunk and a few were beautiful touch tosses). Clutch on 3rd down. As Sportster mentioned he extends plays. He learned after a few short armed throws, and hit Djax in stride in the 3rd quarter. The guy is a winner.

First start in 3 years too.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Not hearing a lot about the jolt of energy Colt brought to the team. Best completion percentage of any Redskins QB in a game in history(not all were dink and dunk and a few were beautiful touch tosses). Clutch on 3rd down. As Sportster mentioned he extends plays. He after a few short arms and hit Djax in stride in the 3rd quarter. The guy is a winner.

Even after Monday Night's win Colt's career record as a starter is 7-15. Does that spell winner to you? In 22 career NFL starts, McCoy has thrown 21 interceptions, fumbled 12 times and taken 58 sacks.

In the opener Griff was trashed for completing 78% of his passes because he was a chicken who threw dump offs. He also threw 2 perfect deep balls to DJax, one was dropped and the other was a PI that was somehow missed.

Now we have Colt who completes a ton of short passes, hits 2 deep balls where one was woefully under thrown and should have been a TD by Colt's own admission, and he is paraded around as having a great game and is a winner.

Once again the double standard applied around here is pathetic.

 

[TCB]

Even after Monday Night's win Colt's career record as a starter is 7-15. Does that spell winner to you? In 22 career NFL starts, McCoy has thrown 21 interceptions, fumbled 12 times and taken 58 sacks.

In the opener Griff was trashed for completing 78% of his passes because he was a chicken who threw dump offs. He also threw 2 perfect deep balls to DJax, one was dropped and the other was a PI that was somehow missed.

Now we have Colt who completes a ton of short passes, hits 2 deep balls where one was woefully under thrown and should have been a TD by Colt's own admission, and he is paraded around as having a great game and is a winner.

Once again the double standard applied around here is pathetic.

It was Cleveland you fvcking moron.

 

[martinez]

It was Cleveland you fvcking moron.

slow down, remember Kirk was on top of the world not long ago. Perceptions of players and this team change so drastically week to week.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

slow down, remember Kirk was on top of the world not long ago. Perceptions of players and this team change so drastically week to week.

Agree. You have to remember that for Cousins & McCoy we are talking about 1. a QB that most teams have not seen or 2. a QB that teams have not seen in quite a while. Both cases can result in good performances initially. However - once teams acquire more recent tape of either their flaws can be exposed to a dramatic degree.

Not wishing anything bad on either - just pointing out the reality of the situation so that some folks don't rag on McCoy at a later date. Most likely the Redskins future QB is either RG3 or somebody not on the current roster.

 

[TCB]

Colt can elevate RG3's game because he has similar skills and style. It would be great if we can sign Colt to contract for at least a few years, because we know RG3's durability is an issue. Watch the camaraderie between RG3 and Colt and it is much tighter than with Cousins. Let Colt play another week or two and then RG3 can come back, so we can see what he can do.

 

[Dolemite censored]

Thank you Redskins for taking the arrogant cowgirls down a notch. Or 2.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

It was Cleveland you fvcking moron.

Laugh my ass off at your arrogance. And what exactly is the difference between Cleveland and Washington? When Kirk goes to another team and they discuss his stats they will take the same attitude, he was in Washington so he never had a chance.

They'll probably leave out the fucking moron part because they would be smarter and better at this than you are.

 

[Sportster 72]

Totally agree on his pocket presence and ability to extend plays. But I'm not going overboard on his YPA. He hit 2 deep balls and both were under thrown. Other than that his game was dink and dunk. Now like in the opener I have no doubt it was the game plan But that game plan was to avoid the Houston pass rush, this game plan had less to do with avoiding pressure and more to do with McCoy's limitations IMO.

Can we just once not go overboard over what we have seen most recently? Colt McCoy is not the long term answer and I really don't feel like spending a week arguing this point,

Who went overboard? I commented on what an NFL Analyst said.

 

[skinsdad62]

sportster, sometimes you cant win on this board when it comes to qb

people wanted Rg3 out and had deemed KC the new savior . they ignored his past and wouldnt accept that he is a young qb and would make mistakes . KC had it rough, he was benched and now he is "done" . well he isnt he has alot of potential . he just needs to apply the lessons he has learned

colt goes out there , wins a huge game and now he is the savior. well he isnt . he has some good attributes and if you give him time and players around him you can win with him . he cant "carry" a team but he doesnt have too . and now we blame 7-15 soley on him . well it isnt true some are on him , some arent

now when rg3 comes back we will have another CSI debate to start out and people will forget that Rg3 will be rusty , will hold the ball too long , will get sacked a lot because he has been out of action and bust will be thrown around .

if we can manage to win 2 games we could be 500 and Rg3 could be hitting stride vs the 49ers and colts and then who knows ? or we can find out Rg3 isnt the answer and its time to look elsewhere

we need to have patience . we saw a glimpse monday nite what this team "could" be if we stay patient and build it right we could have something

i think we have 3 good qbs

 

[Sportster 72]

dad I agree, most fans react to what they have just seen. Being fans everyone has their favorite also and wants to defend their guy.

A thought I had after the Dallas game was "didn't we just have a post where most said we only had 4 or 5 players worth keeping." After Monday nights game the number went up. But as you said in an earlier post we saw somethings to make us hope there are even more good players out there. All it took was one good game.

 

[ElTexan]

Agree. You have to remember that for Cousins & McCoy we are talking about 1. a QB that most teams have not seen or 2. a QB that teams have not seen in quite a while. Both cases can result in good performances initially. However - once teams acquire more recent tape of either their flaws can be exposed to a dramatic degree.

Not wishing anything bad on either - just pointing out the reality of the situation so that some folks don't rag on McCoy at a later date. Most likely the Redskins future QB is either RG3 or somebody not on the current roster.

They aren't pitchers. This isn't baseball. How did you come up with that analysis? Are they so "out of the norm" as a quarterback that their presence "fools" defenses? Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[ElTexan]

Laugh my ass off at your arrogance. And what exactly is the difference between Cleveland and Washington? When Kirk goes to another team and they discuss his stats they will take the same attitude, he was in Washington so he never had a chance.

They'll probably leave out the fucking moron part because they would be smarter and better at this than you are.

Cleveland had the worst OLine in the history of the NFL and Cleveland had to play the Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens Defenses of THAT era 6 times per year.

Hello?!?!?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Cleveland had the worst OLine in the history of the NFL and Cleveland had to play the Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens Defenses of THAT era 6 times per year.

Hello?!?!?

OK you really need to stop lecturing others as you pimp a guy with a 7-15 starting record with 33 turnovers in 22 starts and call him a "winner". Calm the fuck down already. I get it, you're a Texas fan and you are in the tank for your boy. But you are basing your assessment on what he did at Texas and this the NFL, not the Big 12. He had had a good second half. It happens.. Scott Mitchell, Brandon Weeden and Jamarcus Russell had good halfs too at some point, that didn't erase who they were.

And if you think the Browns OL was so much worse than this Redskins line that it's worth mentioning as a deciding factor you would be flat out wrong. Sure he played good defenses but that's an excuse. This is a bottom line business and nobody would consider 7-15 to be "a winner".

 

[TCB]

OK you really need to stop lecturing others as you pimp a guy with a 7-15 starting record with 33 turnovers in 22 starts and call him a "winner". Calm the fuck down already. I get it, you're a Texas fan and you are in the tank for your boy. But you are basing your assessment on what he did at Texas and this the NFL, not the Big 12. He had had a good second half. It happens.. Scott Mitchell, Brandon Weeden and Jamarcus Russell had good halfs too at some point, that didn't erase who they were.

And if you think the Browns OL was so much worse than this Redskins line that it's worth mentioning as a deciding factor you would be flat out wrong. Sure he played good defenses but that's an excuse. This is a bottom line business and nobody would consider 7-15 to be "a winner".

Archie Manning had a career record of 35 wins and 104 losses.
He is in the Hall of Fame.
You can't use a record from a historically bad team to judge a QB.

Look up the records the Patriots had with Jim Plunkett. Miserable. Is he not a winner too?