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[logic]

Pelicans Mandate Joe Dumars to Trade Zion Williamson This Summer

The New Orleans Pelicans ownership intends to instruct Joe Dumars, their incoming president of basketball operations, to trade Zion Williamson this summer. Duma

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Interesting. Who would go for him and what is he worth?

Way to hamstring a guy. Teams know he has to be traded and are not going to make their best offers.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Yes, midrange is closer than a three and should be a higher percentage. But the stats you are including here also take into account finishing at the rim which is not midrange. Because at the rim is very high percentage it is considered a good shot, even though worth only 2 points. The midrange percentage is much closer to the three point percentage and is worth fewer points, so it is considered the worst shot in basketball. You have to shoot 50% midrange to equal 33% of threes. Yes, you can finish around the rim at higher than 50%, but you are not going to shoot midrange at 50%.

Comparing eras is generally a lost cause... Once LeBron finally retires most will finally realize it isn't worth the effort.

Patiently waiting for @Stakesarehigh to respond so I can clown him for his Stackhouse/Poole comparison...

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree.....Thibs is like most coaches. Give him talent he can win. Don't and he wont.

True. The problem with Thibs though, isn't that he doesn't win with good players. He does.

The problem is that he doesn't get his teams as far in the playoffs as he should because he wears them down by running a playoff rotation throughout the regular season.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Multiple 2nd rounders

Way to hamstring a guy. Teams know he has to be traded and are not going to make their best offers.

I agree, they're not going to get much for him.

Problem is, he is due over $120m over the next three years. The only teams that'll be able to afford him will be lottery teams.

 

[dtgold88]

It's not. Iverson shot 42.5% for his whole career and that includes 31.3% from 3.

Barkley shot 54.1% for his career and that includes 26.6% from 3.

Curry is shooting 47.1% for his career and that includes 42.3% from 3.

Tlance is a liar with an agenda imagining up fake scenarios to justify his nonsense.

The last part of that was next level.

So you think, what, every Barkley/Curry/Iverson non 3 was a midrange shot? No layups or dunks? How about if you try it this way (though I'm guessing. Iverson shot 42.5% of entire career but made 60% of his layups and dunks. I guess by your "logic" that automatically means he shot under 40% from midrange?

 

[dtgold88]

Yes, midrange is closer than a three and should be a higher percentage. But the stats you are including here also take into account finishing at the rim which is not midrange. Because at the rim is very high percentage it is considered a good shot, even though worth only 2 points. The midrange percentage is much closer to the three point percentage and is worth fewer points, so it is considered the worst shot in basketball. You have to shoot 50% midrange to equal 33% of threes. Yes, you can finish around the rim at higher than 50%, but you are not going to shoot midrange at 50%.

ninjad

 

[logic]

Comparing eras is generally a lost cause... Once LeBron finally retires most will finally realize it isn't worth the effort.

Patiently waiting for @Stakesarehigh to respond so I can clown him for his Stackhouse/Poole comparison...

This really had nothing to do with eras, just shot percentages from different distances and why the midrange shot is the worst in basketball.

 

[dtgold88]

True. The problem with Thibs though, isn't that he doesn't win with good players. He does.

The problem is that he doesn't get his teams as far in the playoffs as he should because he wears them down by running a playoff rotation throughout the regular season.

I tend to agree this could be true....but we don't know this is why his teams don't go further.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

I agree, they're not going to get much for him.

Problem is, he is due over $120m over the next three years. The only teams that'll be able to afford him will be lottery teams.

Dumars is way too old school as it is. Pels about to take a nosedive with or without Zion...

 

[dtgold88]

Way to hamstring a guy. Teams know he has to be traded and are not going to make their best offers.

If there are multiple teams making offers they'd make best offer I would think.

 

[logic]

True. The problem with Thibs though, isn't that he doesn't win with good players. He does.

The problem is that he doesn't get his teams as far in the playoffs as he should because he wears them down by running a playoff rotation throughout the regular season.

He's has several guys back from injury who don't have much time on them coming into these playoffs. And the Pistons haven't played against the full Knicks roster this season. It should be a good series.

 

[logic]

If there are multiple teams making offers they'd make best offer I would think.

Big IF with his salary and injury history.

Wouldn't it have been smarter for Joe to just get him out there in the market without teams knowing there is a mandate that he must be moved?

 

[eaglesnut]

The last part of that was next level.

So you think, what, every Barkley/Curry/Iverson non 3 was a midrange shot? No layups or dunks? How about if you try it this way (though I'm guessing. Iverson shot 42.5% of entire career but made 60% of his layups and dunks. I guess by your "logic" that automatically means he shot under 40% from midrange?

You have reading comprehension issues, but thanks for trying a response anyway.

 

[dtgold88]

Big IF with his salary and injury history.

Wouldn't it have been smarter for Joe to just get him out there in the market without teams knowing there is a mandate that he must be moved?

I would think they will get multiple offers. Times you usually wont get best offers is when a guy has a short list and team follows it. But agree salary and injury history a major concern and THAT will be a reason to lessen the offers.

 

[dtgold88]

You have reading comprehension issues, but thanks for trying a response anyway.

Is this your go-to when you get smacked around? Your comment implied only shots these guys take are 3s and midrange. You could for the first time just be an adult and own your "logic" was off base?

 

[logic]

It's not. Iverson shot 42.5% for his whole career and that includes 31.3% from 3.

Barkley shot 54.1% for his career and that includes 26.6% from 3.

Curry is shooting 47.1% for his career and that includes 42.3% from 3.

Tlance is a liar with an agenda imagining up fake scenarios to justify his nonsense.

You do realize that these Iverson and Curry numbers also say, even if all the other shots were mid rangers (which they weren't), that they score more points if they just shoot 3's (3pt% * 3 > 2pt% *2). And with Barkley, no one is going to tell a 26% shooter to launch 3s.
But that is all beside the point, as I said before, because you completely ignore the fact that A LOT of this is finishing at the rim for these guys which everyone agrees is a good shot.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[dtgold88]

Dumars is way too old school as it is. Pels about to take a nosedive with or without Zion...

Can it get much worse than it is?

 

[tlance]

Is the mid range % average really that low?

I exaggerated a little.

41.4% is league average for midrange

 

[tlance]

It's not. Iverson shot 42.5% for his whole career and that includes 31.3% from 3.

Barkley shot 54.1% for his career and that includes 26.6% from 3.

Curry is shooting 47.1% for his career and that includes 42.3% from 3.

Tlance is a liar with an agenda imagining up fake scenarios to justify his nonsense.

Haha.

Thanks for proving once and for all that you really don’t get it.

Pretty easy to find actual data and league averages on this stuff.