The 2024-2025 NBA Basketball Season

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Oh me too every one

 

[bksballer89]

If Banchero didn't get hurt for extended period of time, all 4 are all stars this season

 

[bksballer89]

 

[WiggyRuss]

Cavs did not really play great tonight at times--- shot 34% from 3 while the Pacers shot 43% from 3....and won by 10 at Indiana to break their winning streak.

Good win- I was a little worried about this one thinking it was kinda like the back to back losses against the Hawks- kind of similar situation. Nice to get a W tonight.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Cavs have Jarret Allen under contract for this year, and 3 more for an average of about 27M a year. He is 26- signed up through a big part of his prime- and has absolutely blossomed in Cleveland. In retrospect- what a freaking trade- though at the time I was one of the few that said how good he could be.

@tlance said he would be the least significant guy in the deal- and Oladipo and LeVert would be more important- let alone at the time of course with Harden- who i said Allen would be better than within 4 years at the time of the deal.

Allen is now only 26, in a great contract, one of the best defenders, rebounders and most efficient scorers in the league (shooting over 70% from the floor)- and was the Cavs best player on a night where they beat the Thunder about a week ago.

That is how you get a rebuild into over-drive. Being opportunistic and stealing guys like Allen.

 

[WiggyRuss]

If Banchero didn't get hurt for extended period of time, all 4 are all stars this season

Magic are gonna be a problem for years to come. I think me and you have been on their bandwagon when it still had a lot of room on it. They should only improve. It is a team no one is gonna have an easy time with in the playoffs- that is for sure.

 

[bksballer89]

This tweet is so clearly about Ayton lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

hasn't always been the same teams and they're not as possible as you'd like to think.

With the new CBA it seems even more difficult to keep a really good team together. That's why I think the league should look at creating some sort of salary cap exceptions for players that the team drafted. That would make it easier for teams to keep the guys they drafted longer term.

Teams like the Thunder and Cavs wouldn't have to be deciding which guys they drafted to let go because of cap considerations. So, your Thunder might have to take a full cap hit by re-signing SGA but may be able to absorb that because of a "discount" on Chets cap hit.

Cavs have their top 6 guys signed up for at LEAST this year plus 3 more. (Mitchell, Allen, Mobley, Garland, Strus, Okoro). Only guy they might not be able to pay is LeVert- and the team is still young. Cavs arent gonna have to break up anything for years to come. Got at least 4 stabs at it before they have to see how things go.

 

[WiggyRuss]

OKC....well see.....that will be interesting- though since the young guys will just be eligible for beginner "maxes" they will get through pretty well.

Its the 2nd and 3rd contracts (really the 3rd for the most part) that really fuck teams---- ya know- the teams that dont develop guys and just depend on stealing guys in free agency.

thats how you get Butler and Beal making 50-60M and wondering wtf.

 

[WiggyRuss]

what has been crucial for the CBA is the rules that have gotten young stars to extend with their home franchise. NEarly everyone takes that first big deal- and teams almost always have their home drafted star for the first 7-8 years of their deals.

No one is able to steal a Garland or Mobley types after their rookie contracts anymore. Makes drafting right even more important.

Also- Golden State's dynasty did not end because of $- they did spend a TON of it- but it ended because Klay, Dray and Curry declined, and they stopped developing anyone in the pipeline

they got 2 extremely high picks- totally WHIFFED on Wiseman, and then took a very talented, but very raw Kuminga- who is a project that will take years to get to a point where he can be a big time difference maker.

LA is never gonna sign a "shaq" after his rookie deal away from a team again. So sad.

 

[thunderc]

And imagine that the Nuggets are playing well

 

[thunderc]

Cavs have their top 6 guys signed up for at LEAST this year plus 3 more. (Mitchell, Allen, Mobley, Garland, Strus, Okoro). Only guy they might not be able to pay is LeVert- and the team is still young. Cavs arent gonna have to break up anything for years to come. Got at least 4 stabs at it before they have to see how things go.

Thunder are primed and ready for at least that time span as well. Have to get Chet healthy, that’s the only thing missing. All of the draft picks allow for a trade here or there to keep the well full. I see a good 6 year run with real chances to win.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Thunder are primed and ready for at least that time span as well. Have to get Chet healthy, that’s the only thing missing. All of the draft picks allow for a trade here or there to keep the well full. I see a good 6 year run with real chances to win.

hmmmm....maybe.....I think its very hard to look at anything more than 2-3 years out- with the age of the Thunders players maybe you can look a little further

for a team adverse to spending into the tax, they will have major challenges on a 6 year span with SGA on a 3rd deal, and , if Williams and Chet become "max guys" keeping all that together.

the Cavs might actually trade away a guy or two in order to stay under the tax for one more year this year. It will be extremely controversial, but it is probably the smart thing to do.

Once you start in the tax- you are on a clock. The repeater tax just gets too crazy. GSW kept it together by sending insane money- I dont think we see that happen too often in NBA history going forward- and if we do, it will certainly not be OKC.

What you have to do is figure out when OKC will first be a tax-payer, and then give them 2-3 more seasons after. with the shorter contract and guys coming up more often and re-upping, it makes it very very difficult, practically impossible to get into year 4 in the repeater. At some point a re-set is needed.

A team can re-set and take a step back for a year though.

 

[thunderc]

hmmmm....maybe.....I think its very hard to look at anything more than 2-3 years out- with the age of the Thunders players maybe you can look a little further

for a team adverse to spending into the tax, they will have major challenges on a 6 year span with SGA on a 3rd deal, and , if Williams and Chet become "max guys" keeping all that together.

the Cavs might actually trade away a guy or two in order to stay under the tax for one more year this year. It will be extremely controversial, but it is probably the smart thing to do.

Once you start in the tax- you are on a clock. The repeater tax just gets too crazy. GSW kept it together by sending insane money- I dont think we see that happen too often in NBA history going forward- and if we do, it will certainly not be OKC.

What you have to do is figure out when OKC will first be a tax-payer, and then give them 2-3 more seasons after. with the shorter contract and guys coming up more often and re-upping, it makes it very very difficult, practically impossible to get into year 4 in the repeater. At some point a re-set is needed.

A team can re-set and take a step back for a year though.

I’m not saying the Thunder will ever be a big taxpayer and you are right about the repeat tax. I do laugh though when people talk about the Thunder not having the resources if they decide they want to do some things though. Clay Bennett is just the front man, they have some very very rich owners. George Kaiser and Bill Cameron among them. I know one thing, Presti will show people how to do things that likely haven’t been done in the current structure. I am confident in that.

 

[tlance]

Cavs have Jarret Allen under contract for this year, and 3 more for an average of about 27M a year. He is 26- signed up through a big part of his prime- and has absolutely blossomed in Cleveland. In retrospect- what a freaking trade- though at the time I was one of the few that said how good he could be.

@tlance said he would be the least significant guy in the deal- and Oladipo and LeVert would be more important- let alone at the time of course with Harden- who i said Allen would be better than within 4 years at the time of the deal.

Allen is now only 26, in a great contract, one of the best defenders, rebounders and most efficient scorers in the league (shooting over 70% from the floor)- and was the Cavs best player on a night where they beat the Thunder about a week ago.

That is how you get a rebuild into over-drive. Being opportunistic and stealing guys like Allen.

I had Cleveland as #2 winner in the 4 team trade because they got Allen for free.

You are a liar.

Clearly said Cleveland did better than Brooklyn. What I got wrong was saying the Pacers did a little better than Cleveland.