The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[tlance]

He's not a point guard. He's a center. Points, boards and defense. For a point guard its points, assists and defense.

If he was the best scorer, he'd lead the league in scoring. Luka lead the league in scoring.

LOL.

Way to cherry pick the stats that fit your agenda.

Jokic is not merely a center.

He is a point center.

 

[DJ]

Glen Davis going to be a Big Baby in prison for the next 3.5 years.

For the fraudulent scheme of the NBA's insurance plan.

 

[eaglesnut]

I hope he was more efficient.

Jokic took 1030 shots from at the rim to 10 ft
Luka took 576

And Jokic is 7 feet tall. If you aren't more efficient something is wrong. Luka was actually more efficient at the rim though.

Seriously. Some of this dude's statements make it clear he's not arguing from any basis in reality. Just throwing noise at the wall to see what sticks. Really noisy.

 

[eaglesnut]

LOL.

Way to cherry pick the stats that fit your agenda.

Jokic is not merely a center.

He is a point center.

I'm not cherry picking anything. Luka had more points and more assists any way you want to pretend that Jokic isn't a 7 foot basketball player playing basketball on a basketball court.

 

[tlance]

I'm not cherry picking anything. Luka had more points and more assists any way you want to pretend that Jokic isn't a 7 foot basketball player playing basketball on a basketball court.

You are.

You are ignoring Joker’s assists while highlighting Luka’s when the 2 totals are very close together.

And you are trying to compare Jokic only to other centers when he is really not like any other center who has ever played.

 

[eaglesnut]

You are.

You are ignoring Joker’s assists while highlighting Luka’s when the 2 totals are very close together.

And you are trying to compare Jokic only to other centers when he is really not like any other center who has ever played.

He's a center. Only 4th on the glass. Luka is a PG. 2nd in assists. Try to comprehend the game of basketball.

 

[tlance]

He's a center. Only 4th on the glass. Luka is a PG. 2nd in assists. Try to comprehend the game of basketball.

LOL.

Keep picking those cherries!

Jokic is 3rd.

 

[eaglesnut]

LOL.

Keep picking those cherries!

Jokic is 3rd.

Behind Luka.

Really really far behind on points. Of course you guys that are actually cherrypicking stats can't help, but ignore the most important one.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Why isn't what Luka does statistically mean just as much

Oh that's right

Because he doesn't have a used car salesman for a back up

 

[trojanfight]

 

[The Q]

Why isn't what Luka does statistically mean just as much

Oh that's right

Because he doesn't have a used car salesman for a back up

You do understand that’s not what vorp means, right?

 

[Wazmankg]

Luka. 1st in points. 2nd in assists. He's a point guard so there you go.

Jokic. 10th in points. 4th in rebounds. He's a center so there you go.

This was an easy one that the basketball media completely fucked up. Disgraceful.

Luka throws it away a lot too.

 

[DJ]

You are.

You are ignoring Joker’s assists while highlighting Luka’s when the 2 totals are very close together.

And you are trying to compare Jokic only to other centers when he is really not like any other center who has ever played.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Luka throws it away a lot too.

Usage rate is much higher 36% to Jokic's 29%. Jokic's TO% was still pretty high but most top players with a usage rate with have TO's

 

[DJ]

Vogel was fired.

 

[The Q]

Knew he was dead man walking when KD complained about the offense

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You do understand that’s not what vorp means, right?

It absolutely takes team level replacement into the calculation

How the fuck else does Jokic rate out with the best Defensive box plus minus lol

I've asked this like 6 times now

Does anyone think he's even a top 20 defender much less the BEST in the league?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The VORP converts the value of the Box Plus Minus into an estimate of the player’s contribution, which is parameterized with respect to the Replacement Player. In this case,


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Box Plus Minus​

As for the PER, the BPM is calculated by adding the different player’s contributions in order to obtain a raw value, gBMP, which will then be calibrated on team performance to obtain the real Box Plus Minus. Every single addend that makes up the raw term is related to one or more contributions; moreover, there is always a corrective factor."

 

[The Q]

The VORP converts the value of the Box Plus Minus into an estimate of the player’s contribution, which is parameterized with respect to the Replacement Player. In this case,


"

Box Plus Minus​

As for the PER, the BPM is calculated by adding the different player’s contributions in order to obtain a raw value, gBMP, which will then be calibrated on team performance to obtain the real Box Plus Minus. Every single addend that makes up the raw term is related to one or more contributions; moreover, there is always a corrective factor."

Yes vorp is the replacement level player

Just like war in baseball

And these things are continuously adjusted and no matter what jokic still comes out on top

 

[DJ]

Getting fired after 1 season is pretty fucking brutal.