The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[shopson67]

No, it isn't

Much smaller gap if any

Maybe if you don't like advanced metrics

 

[msgkings322]

Maybe if you don't like advanced metrics

Others look strong in advanced metrics too, not just Jokic. The delta isn't as great as LeBron vs Rose that year

 

[The Q]

Others look strong in advanced metrics too, not just Jokic. The delta isn't as great as LeBron vs Rose that year

It’s still a significant gap

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Maybe if you don't like advanced metrics

Care to chime in on why Jokic looks so good there when his backup is either DeAndre jordan or Watson who shouldn't be playing C?

 

[msgkings322]

It’s still a significant gap

Not that significant really.

 

[shopson67]

Others look strong in advanced metrics too, not just Jokic. The delta isn't as great as LeBron vs Rose that year

Jokic has led the league for 4 years running in PER, Offensive Win Shares, Overall Win Shares, Offensive Plus/MInus, Overall Plus/Minus and the old favorite VORP. He's also led the league for 3 years running in Defensive Plus/Minus.

 

[shopson67]

Care to chime in on why Jokic looks so good there when his backup is either DeAndre jordan or Watson who shouldn't be playing C?

WTF does that mean? Jokic is responsible for who plays when he's off the floor, lol?

 

[msgkings322]

Jokic has led the league for 4 years running in PER, Offensive Win Shares, Overall Win Shares, Offensive Plus/MInus, Overall Plus/Minus and the old favorite VORP. He's also led the league for 3 years running in Defensive Plus/Minus.

Is he that much better than Embiid, SGA, Luka vs how much better LeBron was than Rose?

 

[shopson67]

Is he that much better than Embiid, SGA, Luka vs how much better LeBron was than Rose?

I'm not doing that much math for you lol. It's not like you'd accept the stats anyway.

 

[The Q]

Is he that much better than Embiid, SGA, Luka vs how much better LeBron was than Rose?

You wanna bean count go ahead

It’s still a large gap withoht a defensible position

 

[Stakesarehigh]

WTF does that mean? Jokic is responsible for who plays when he's off the floor, lol?

Are you not aware of how these advanced stats are generated sir?

 

[shopson67]

Are you not aware of how these advanced stats are generated sir?

Its a piece of the puzzle, only in the +/-.

 

[shopson67]

Do you also want to discuss Cason Wallace and Dante Exum?

 

[shopson67]

Pat Bev suspended 4 games

 

[msgkings322]

I'm not doing that much math for you lol. It's not like you'd accept the stats anyway.

You have me confused with some of these others like funbags. I don't care that much, Jokic is certainly deserving. It is obvious to me though that his 'superiority' to the other contenders isn't very large and certainly less so than LeBron's superiority to Rose that year

This is the point of MVP awards by the way, the arguing. There's almost never a year when one player is so much more valuable than the others that there's no dispute. Jokic is a good choice, as SGA or Luka would have been.

One of the Denver fans suggested a really good idea, adding an Offensive POY award...there's already a DPOY and they have OPOY in football. Add that to the NBA and a lot of the arguing stops, sometimes the same guy wins both but then Russell Westbrook and James Harden can win OPOY and a better choice can be made for MVP those years.

Jokic would maybe be MVP this year with Luka OPOY. Or maybe SGA MVP and Jokic OPOY. OK I guess there will still be arguing LOL

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Its a piece of the puzzle, only in the +/-.

Yes

And when your backup is dog shit or 6 7 Peyton Watson it makes you look amazing

So again I ask

Is Jokic the most valuable defender in the league? Because VORP and DBPM says he is

 

[eaglesnut]

Convenient that you left out that Jokic was 3rd in assists, .8 behind Luka. Luka only scored more because he took 6 more shots per game. Jokic was the more efficient shooter of the two.

He's not a point guard. He's a center. Points, boards and defense. For a point guard its points, assists and defense.

If he was the best scorer, he'd lead the league in scoring. Luka lead the league in scoring.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Of course Luka. He had an insane year. MVP. No one else is close.

35, 9 and 10 isn't good enough apparently. Shooting 37% from distance.

His support is not as good too. #5 seed pretty damn good even though record should not be a huge factor imo

 

[Shanemansj13]

You have me confused with some of these others like funbags. I don't care that much, Jokic is certainly deserving. It is obvious to me though that his 'superiority' to the other contenders isn't very large and certainly less so than LeBron's superiority to Rose that year

This is the point of MVP awards by the way, the arguing. There's almost never a year when one player is so much more valuable than the others that there's no dispute. Jokic is a good choice, as SGA or Luka would have been.

One of the Denver fans suggested a really good idea, adding an Offensive POY award...there's already a DPOY and they have OPOY in football. Add that to the NBA and a lot of the arguing stops, sometimes the same guy wins both but then Russell Westbrook and James Harden can win OPOY and a better choice can be made for MVP those years.

Jokic would maybe be MVP this year with Luka OPOY. Or maybe SGA MVP and Jokic OPOY. OK I guess there will still be arguing LOL

Or add a TOY. Teammate of the Year. Goes to the guy that involves his teammates, Assist man.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Convenient that you left out that Jokic was 3rd in assists, .8 behind Luka. Luka only scored more because he took 6 more shots per game. Jokic was the more efficient shooter of the two.

I hope he was more efficient.

Jokic took 1030 shots from at the rim to 10 ft
Luka took 576

And Jokic is 7 feet tall. If you aren't more efficient something is wrong. Luka was actually more efficient at the rim though.