Texas Rangers 2019-2020 Offseason Thread

[saddles]

no i'm saying that I would like to have one of them preferably Cole. but I realize that we'll be lucky to even come close to get Rendon.
I believe that we'll probably get the same JD speech we've got the last couple of years: "well we tried but came up short, so we'll just muddle our way thru another season with what players we can get". and we'll sign a couple of tier 4 or 5 pitchers(at least 1 recovering from TJS) and a tier 4 or 5 3rd baseman

JD hasn't given those excuses the last couple of years. He told us he wasn't going after anyone like that so he never needed an excuse for not signing them.

 

[saddles]

 

[scotsman1948]

JD hasn't given those excuses the last couple of years. He told us he wasn't going after anyone like that so he never needed an excuse for not signing them.

okay, but it will probably be heard this off-season

 

[Kelleyman]

It is possible Rangers have a value on Rendon above which they will not go over.
Brewers let go several good players and want to move Hader because their value is below their contract. Kind of like gong upside down on a car or an overpay for Choo

 

[saddles]

It is possible Rangers have a value on Rendon above which they will not go over.
Brewers let go several good players and want to move Hader because their value is below their contract. Kind of like gong upside down on a car or an overpay for Choo

If your value and the market"s value are very far off on any kind of regular basis then there is something wrong with the way you determine value.

With a pitcher is is easy to undervalue the market because they are so risky. A proven position player who is not too old or unhealthy, is a lot less risky than a pitcher. That is especially true when there is enough money to spend in the budget like there is this year.

If it is not Scotty guessing at their excuses before hand it is you making excuses for them before hand. Lol

 

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[Nightcrawler]

I’m skeptical that the angels are a big player for Rendon.

they still have Albert and trouts mega deals, they are also rumored to be going after Gerrit Cole hard who will cost them an arm and a leg.

 

[scotsman1948]

If your value and the market"s value are very far off on any kind of regular basis then there is something wrong with the way you determine value.

With a pitcher is is easy to undervalue the market because they are so risky. A proven position player who is not too old or unhealthy, is a lot less risky than a pitcher. That is especially true when there is enough money to spend in the budget like there is this year.

If it is not Scotty guessing at their excuses before hand it is you making excuses for them before hand. Lol

NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'M SAYING

 

[scotsman1948]

I’m skeptical that the angels are a big player for Rendon.

they still have Albert and trouts mega deals, they are also rumored to be going after Gerrit Cole hard who will cost them an arm and a leg.

maybe but the fact they haven't been relevant for a while could be the driving force

 

[saddles]

NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'M SAYING

"okay, but it will probably be heard this off-season"

 

[scotsman1948]

"okay, but it will probably be heard this off-season"

and I believe it will be heard. JD stated that the Rangers intended to be active I just don't believe that his definition(or actually that the owner's) is even close to what the other teams definition of active. I believe that we will fall short on all the projected targets and he will say that the team wasn't prepared to go there.

 

[scotsman1948]

some good news on the Ranger front:

Rangers Sign Nick Ciuffo, Wei-Chieh Huang To Minors Deals

 

[DT LUNA]

some good news on the Ranger front:

Rangers Sign Nick Ciuffo, Wei-Chieh Huang To Minors Deals

Wow!

 

[saddles]

 

[saddles]

From Evan's Mailbag column:

Do you see a realistic scenario where the Rangers trade Minor this offseason?

Yes. There are two. With Zack Wheeler off the market, let’s for a minute think about the Rangers pursuing somebody from the group of Hyun-Jin Ryu, Dallas Keuchel and, although unlikely, Madison Bumgarner. Those guys are going to go for somewhere in the $15-18 million range. They get that guy and then take a chance or two on a list of injured/non-tendered guys that include some tantalizing talents like Alex Wood, Taijuan Walker and Michael Piñeda. That total investment comes to about $30 million, gives them a guy to drop in the rotation immediately and two others who can work back slowly. It puts the Rangers probably about $10 million above what they had allotted with a chance to trade Minor for a more long-term controllable pitcher (or another need) so that they’d have, say, a front four that included one of Ryu, Keuchel or MadBum, Lance Lynn, Kyle Gibson and one of the Kolby Allard, Brock Burke and Joe Palumbo trio.The other scenario: The Rangers miss out on every target this winter, decide they can’t compete in 2020 and turn Minor and Lynn into late-winter trade pieces. If they go down that road, you’d have to wonder how long it would be until they’d consider trading somebody like Joey Gallo, too, because at that point they would be back to fully rebuilding and Gallo would have more use as a trade commodity than as a Ranger. That is a worst-case scenario and not one that appears to be on the board at the moment.

From my perspective, though, I think you load up on as many starters as you can get right now, both guys who you can count on from the start of the season and guys whose return can be staggered a little bit. Add in the young guys who got some experience last season and the next group that will likely include Tyler Phillips. And there is a very deep 9-10-man starting pitching pool, one that stands to get better as the season matures. And if it doesn’t work out, you trade Minor for whatever you can at the deadline.



What is the CF plan for next year? Is there interest in Kevin Pillar?

As a Gold Glove-caliber defender, Pillar is certainly intriguing, but the Rangers feel pretty good with Danny Santana moving to center field and Delino DeShields sharing time with him. At the moment, center field isn’t high on their list of priorities. If they were to move an infielder in a trade and the need arose for Santana back in the infield, then yes, Pillar becomes even more intriguing. For now, the priorities remain another starting pitcher, a third baseman (a right-handed-hitting third baseman), perhaps a catcher, perhaps a right-handed-hitting first baseman. There are simply bigger issues to attack than center.



Since Harper got $330 million/13 years, Machado got $300 million/10 years, why would Rendon/Boras, accept less?

Start here: Both Harper and Machado were 26 when they hit free agency while Rendon is 29. Ages 26-28, man, those are considered prime years for hitters. There was a premium for that. Second, both those guys wanted the biggest, longest contracts they could find. And Scott Boras is good at doing that.

Rendon may be a little different. There are reports that while he loves the game, he simply doesn’t want to play into his late, late 30s. He’d like to be home raising his family by then. In fact, there is some thought that he’d take a five-year contract with higher AAV than go for a seven- or eight-year deal that would pay him more in total dollars. Boras is a good advocate for his clients. He’s going to seek out the highest market for his players unless his players specifically instruct him to work under a different set of parameters. That may be the case with Rendon vs. Harper/Machado.

 

[saddles]

Rangers Sign Kyle Gibson

DEC. 5: The official price tag is $28MM in guaranteed money over three years, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets, with $3MM more available to Gibson in incentives.

 

[jta4437]

From Evan's Mailbag column:

Do you see a realistic scenario where the Rangers trade Minor this offseason?

Yes. There are two. With Zack Wheeler off the market, let’s for a minute think about the Rangers pursuing somebody from the group of Hyun-Jin Ryu, Dallas Keuchel and, although unlikely, Madison Bumgarner. Those guys are going to go for somewhere in the $15-18 million range. They get that guy and then take a chance or two on a list of injured/non-tendered guys that include some tantalizing talents like Alex Wood, Taijuan Walker and Michael Piñeda. That total investment comes to about $30 million, gives them a guy to drop in the rotation immediately and two others who can work back slowly. It puts the Rangers probably about $10 million above what they had allotted with a chance to trade Minor for a more long-term controllable pitcher (or another need) so that they’d have, say, a front four that included one of Ryu, Keuchel or MadBum, Lance Lynn, Kyle Gibson and one of the Kolby Allard, Brock Burke and Joe Palumbo trio.The other scenario: The Rangers miss out on every target this winter, decide they can’t compete in 2020 and turn Minor and Lynn into late-winter trade pieces. If they go down that road, you’d have to wonder how long it would be until they’d consider trading somebody like Joey Gallo, too, because at that point they would be back to fully rebuilding and Gallo would have more use as a trade commodity than as a Ranger. That is a worst-case scenario and not one that appears to be on the board at the moment.

From my perspective, though, I think you load up on as many starters as you can get right now, both guys who you can count on from the start of the season and guys whose return can be staggered a little bit. Add in the young guys who got some experience last season and the next group that will likely include Tyler Phillips. And there is a very deep 9-10-man starting pitching pool, one that stands to get better as the season matures. And if it doesn’t work out, you trade Minor for whatever you can at the deadline.



What is the CF plan for next year? Is there interest in Kevin Pillar?

As a Gold Glove-caliber defender, Pillar is certainly intriguing, but the Rangers feel pretty good with Danny Santana moving to center field and Delino DeShields sharing time with him. At the moment, center field isn’t high on their list of priorities. If they were to move an infielder in a trade and the need arose for Santana back in the infield, then yes, Pillar becomes even more intriguing. For now, the priorities remain another starting pitcher, a third baseman (a right-handed-hitting third baseman), perhaps a catcher, perhaps a right-handed-hitting first baseman. There are simply bigger issues to attack than center.



Since Harper got $330 million/13 years, Machado got $300 million/10 years, why would Rendon/Boras, accept less?

Start here: Both Harper and Machado were 26 when they hit free agency while Rendon is 29. Ages 26-28, man, those are considered prime years for hitters. There was a premium for that. Second, both those guys wanted the biggest, longest contracts they could find. And Scott Boras is good at doing that.

Rendon may be a little different. There are reports that while he loves the game, he simply doesn’t want to play into his late, late 30s. He’d like to be home raising his family by then. In fact, there is some thought that he’d take a five-year contract with higher AAV than go for a seven- or eight-year deal that would pay him more in total dollars. Boras is a good advocate for his clients. He’s going to seek out the highest market for his players unless his players specifically instruct him to work under a different set of parameters. That may be the case with Rendon vs. Harper/Machado.

I'm all about a 5/6 year deal with a higher AAV

 

[DT LUNA]

Rangers Sign Kyle Gibson

DEC. 5: The official price tag is $28MM in guaranteed money over three years, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets, with $3MM more available to Gibson in incentives.

Really don't know what to think /expect about this signing.

 

[saddles]

Really don't know what to think /expect about this signing.

I think it is a good signing for the money. You can probably expect him to be a #4 who could rebound to a #3.

 

[Kelleyman]

If your value and the market"s value are very far off on any kind of regular basis then there is something wrong with the way you determine value.

With a pitcher is is easy to undervalue the market because they are so risky. A proven position player who is not too old or unhealthy, is a lot less risky than a pitcher. That is especially true when there is enough money to spend in the budget like there is this year.

If it is not Scotty guessing at their excuses before hand it is you making excuses for them before hand. Lol

Would you recommend a blank check for Rendon? Just throwing it out there