Ted Ginn

[h0ckeysk83r]

LOL!!! I know what you mean, my house was awash with screams of "Go Baby, Go Baby, Go Baby!" which gave way to a "damn-it!"

Four plays it was a collective WTF!!!

Thats what made it even worse : (

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Same here! The moment I see him move beyond the first level my heart rate doubles! If he could find a way to stop the senseless drops he would be our Antonio Brown.

Yes, if only he could resolve the single biggest weakness he's had throughout his career....

 

[MW49ers5]

Yes, if only he could resolve the single biggest weakness he's had throughout his career....

Now if we can just get Crabtree and Davis to do the same!

 

[Flyingiguana]

all of our recievers should be on the sidelines during games doing that willie mays drill

 

[MW49ers5]

all of our recievers should be on the sidelines during games doing that willie mays drill

Yeah, I thought that was quite cool...

 

[bigpb72]

i'd keep em he "fits" and he will not ask for huge contract from the niners look at spencer riding the bench like this is high school and he is clearly the 2nd best corner on this team. ginn knows with Harbs its put up or shut up he drops passes dont exspect play but returning them kicks he is putting up big time!!

 

[sayheykid1]

There are plenty of fast WRs out there. The idea that Ginn, with Williams, gives us "double the speed" is flawed because how often are they both on the field together? Even if we lose Edwards and don't sign a WR, say we go into next year with Crabtree, Morgan, Williams and Ginn. How often do we go 4 wide? We'll spend a lot more time with Crabtree, Morgan, Davis and Walker (or whoever TE2 is) than 4 WR on the field.

With his return ability, my biggest question is how often does he get more than what's blocked for him? Does he make guys miss? Does he break tackles? I think he's the most replaceable player on the roster.

It is Ginn more than the blocking IMO he is 2nd in the NFL for avg return on kickoffs and fourth on punts and he won the Seattle game for the Niners by himself.

I am not sure that I see Edwards leaving as a "loss". 14 receptions?

 

[imac_21]

It is Ginn more than the blocking IMO he is 2nd in the NFL for avg return on kickoffs and fourth on punts and he won the Seattle game for the Niners by himself.

I am not sure that I see Edwards leaving as a "loss". 14 receptions?

He didn't win the Hawks game at all. We were winning when he returned the kickoff, and we were winning when he returned the punt.

Is it possible he's ranked so high because of the blocking in front of him? Watch closely Monday. See how many times the first guy to get close brings him down.

While you're at it, watch how many times he stumbles on his own.

 

[sayheykid1]

He didn't win the Hawks game at all. We were winning when he returned the kickoff, and we were winning when he returned the punt.

Is it possible he's ranked so high because of the blocking in front of him? Watch closely Monday. See how many times the first guy to get close brings him down.

While you're at it, watch how many times he stumbles on his own.

Do the Niners hold that lead without the returns? I don't know.
Are you are arguing that the Niners blocking on special teams is so good that it makes a poor return man a league leading returning for both kickoffs and punts? If so I am not buying it.
this team needs a good return man (and a good kicker and punter) and there is room on this team for both Williams and Ginn. I don't believe signing him is going to stop the team from getting better at WR.

 

[imac_21]

Do the Niners hold that lead without the returns? I don't know.
Are you are arguing that the Niners blocking on special teams is so good that it makes a poor return man a league leading returning for both kickoffs and punts? If so I am not buying it.
this team needs a good return man (and a good kicker and punter) and there is room on this team for both Williams and Ginn. I don't believe signing him is going to stop the team from getting better at WR.

If you don't know if they win without the returns, you can't say Ginn won it on his own. I discussed it earlier in the thread though. The second return was essentially needless.

Can you show me where I called Ginn a poor return man? I've used adjectives in plenty of posts in this thread. I don't think I've used "poor" or any synonyms of poor. Maybe I'm forgetting?

 

[sayheykid1]

If you don't know if they win without the returns, you can't say Ginn won it on his own. I discussed it earlier in the thread though. The second return was essentially needless.

Can you show me where I called Ginn a poor return man? I've used adjectives in plenty of posts in this thread. I don't think I've used "poor" or any synonyms of poor. Maybe I'm forgetting?

I asked if that is what you were saying.
What I think you did say:

You wouldn't want him back at the minimum salary

The 49ers can get a player that will average the second most yards per kickoff return and the 4th most average yards per punt return for the league minimum and that the Niners can upgrade that quite easily

He's not an explosive return guy

He doesn't have a lot of wiggle

He seems to go down very easily when someone makes him change direction

He doesn't even have to be touched.

If someone makes him cut, he either comes to a complete stop, or falls.


Not poor?

 

[EaseUrStorm]

Delanie Walker's not a FA, but every time I look at this thread I think of him. Doesn't beat you with speed unless its a mis-match. Can't catch as well as he should. Doesn't make anyone miss. Can't block DE's one on one. Replaceable by a mid-round draft pick who could exploit mis-matches similarly and may bring something that DW doesn't (like more explosion). A key difference is we don't have another #2 receiving TE on the roster.

To me he's a very comparable player to Ginn as far as being expendable. Ginn brings more to ST's, but DW definitely gives us an edge in scheming.

 

[dredinis21]

Delanie Walker's not a FA, but every time I look at this thread I think of him. Doesn't beat you with speed unless its a mis-match. Can't catch as well as he should. Doesn't make anyone miss. Can't block DE's one on one. Replaceable by a mid-round draft pick who could exploit mis-matches similarly and may bring something that DW doesn't (like more explosion). A key difference is we don't have another #2 receiving TE on the roster.

To me he's a very comparable player to Ginn as far as being expendable. Ginn brings more to ST's, but DW definitely gives us an edge in scheming.

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. DW is an average pass catcher, is an average to slightly above average blocker, has above average speed for the TE position, has been a solid ST player in the past, can line up virtually anywhere within the offense, including as an H-back. Ginn, although a great PR, is VERY limited in what he can contribute outside of the PR game. So IMO those two are NOT comparable. You are talking about a one trick pony vs. a jack of all trades, not comparable players.

Kind of off topic somewhat, but I would LOVE for the Niners to draft a traditional safety valve type TE to eventually take over for DW as I feel as if AS is missing the dependable short route runner with sure hands a la Brent Jones. Because both DW and VD have above average speed for a TE, both tend to run longer routes if not in for blocking. Would love to see a bigger, more sure handed pass receiving TE in the mid rounds of the next draft. He can take Peelle's position on the roster and slowly work his way onto the field as he develops a rapport with the QB.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

The comparison to Ginn and Walker that I was making is they are both fringe roster players. That is all. It is difficult because they are apples to orange players, but that's what it comes down to in the final cuts. I'm more evaluating the type of player that can replace them and trying to weigh whether or not it improves the team.

DW used to be a WR, so his speed and hands should in theory really show up from the TE position. He's not a good outlet receiver who can consistently move the sticks. He doesn't play fast unless it's a straight line mis-match. He's a good scheme blocker that can really get the job done (see Lions game) but doesn't win battles against DE's one on one. DW is a jack of all trades but a master of none. He doesn't pose a threat to the defense when he's on the field other than his versatility for scheming. Avoid a blatent mis-match and he won't hurt you. What he gives you on ST's can be replaced easily.

Drafting a consistent safety valve type TE that can get open and catches everything in sight fills a gap in this offense. It poses a threat to the defense to help our offense more than what DW's versatility gives you. And if that player is added I don't think we'd end up keeping the top three TE's plus a blocking TE specialist. Walker becomes very expendable in that situation.

 

[Flyingiguana]

walker is a half back essentially. ginn is a return man.

i wouldn't mind replacing walker with john carlson next year. then if a move the chains type TE is there in the draft, take him.