Ted Ginn

[threelittleturds]

But, those stats don't make Ginn someone that can't be replaced. As Cobb is showing in GB, it isn't that hard to get that type of production from a rookie WR... or rather, it isn't that rare.

 

[RedneckNiner]

Plenty of Holes in the Vegas desert in which to drop him like he drops passes in..

 

[Flyingiguana]

Oh, so when he returns kicks and punts, he's the only guy on the field?

we haven't had a decent return man since mcquarters was here. it's easy to say we can throw anyone back there and make plays, but that isn't the case. very underrated position, and critical given the playcalling.

 

[imac_21]

we haven't had a decent return man since mcquarters was here. it's easy to say we can throw anyone back there and make plays, but that isn't the case. very underrated position, and critical given the playcalling.

1. I've already addressed the "we haven't had a decent returner since. . . " argument. It's stupid and flawed.

2. No one has said you can put ANYONE back there, but to suggest that Ginn's decency as a returner makes him valuable is asinine.

 

[threelittleturds]

I'm not sure if this is a good argument or not, because it is unlikely to happen next year too. But having Ginn waste a WR position kinda screwed the team with Morgan and Edwards getting injured...

 

[Flyingiguana]

1. I've already addressed the "we haven't had a decent returner since. . . " argument. It's stupid and flawed.

2. No one has said you can put ANYONE back there, but to suggest that Ginn's decency as a returner makes him valuable is asinine.

unless ginn wants a big payday, i would want him back. offering him a min vet salary would be a slap in the face considering how well he's returned kicks this year.

2 td's and a damn good avg. unless williams was a special teams star in college i don't see him as a replacement for ginn. we'd have to sign someone like eddie royal if ginn got a big offer from someone.

 

[CalamityX11]

Well, we only have 3 healthy WRs right now, so that really doesn't say anything.

It also completely avoids the question. What does he do well?

I would contend he's not a great deep threat since he DOESN'T CATCH THE BALL.

He's our fastest WR. I also don't believe for a second he's able to break one for the distance. He might be more able to do so than Morgan (a healthy Morgan), but Edwards, Crabtree and Williams are all bigger threats to score, as are Davis and Walker.

How many times has Ginn caught a pass and you thought he might score?

He's a 3rd/4th look in the WR department, he's not a top WR so one shouldn't expect big production in an offense that doesn't feature the WR as a priority that other offenses do.

Still a deep threat, as long as he can stretch the field, he'll keep Safeties honest.

What about that grab and catch vs Baltimore? it was a good play on his part and he broke it.

 

[yossarian]

I don't see how we can sign him and keep sending him out there as a threat. Other defenses might play off him because he can't catch anything, so it's a good calculated risk. Maybe he's worth signing just as a kick returner, but I'm sure he sees his role as something more than that. By the way, we can probably do better than Ginn by getting some smart sure handed receiver. Doug Baldwin was undrafted (and played for Harbaugh for Christ's sake) and is doing really well for the Seahawks.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

Ginn is 9th in the NFL in punt return ave which is more than a decent returner. To me you're not settling with Ginn as a returner. If you don't replace him with someone better, you're now settling for less punt return production. Our previous punt returner situation provides an analogy for where we could find ourselves if Ginn is gone and nothing more is done to address it.

A key component to this offense is different personnel packages/formations to get favorable match-ups and create confusion for a defense. Just because we haven't seen a lot of four WR sets to date doesn't mean it won't be coming in the future, especially as the offense has attempted to expand in the past few weeks and work the ball down field. I'll have to check out the formations, but I thought there were more 4 WR today. But say we do use TE's to achieve this and not keep a fourth WR - then that potentially opens up a spot on the roster for a specialist who can improve the team.

 

[imac_21]

Ginn is 9th in the NFL in punt return ave which is more than a decent returner. To me you're not settling with Ginn as a returner. If you don't replace him with someone better, you're now settling for less punt return production. Our previous punt returner situation provides an analogy for where we could find ourselves if Ginn is gone and nothing more is done to address it.

A key component to this offense is different personnel packages/formations to get favorable match-ups and create confusion for a defense. Just because we haven't seen a lot of four WR sets to date doesn't mean it won't be coming in the future, especially as the offense has attempted to expand in the past few weeks and work the ball down field. I'll have to check out the formations, but I thought there were more 4 WR today. But say we do use TE's to achieve this and not keep a fourth WR - then that potentially opens up a spot on the roster for a specialist who can improve the team.

The team is 4th (not 9th) in the league in yards per punt return. However that is a very dynamic stat. There are 8 guys that can pass him with one good return.

However, as I said earlier in the thread, Ginn gets pretty much what is blocked for him. The big return yesterday saw the first to get to him bring him down. He practically never makes guys miss.

And he's a BAD wr. Having him on the field as a part of the offense makes our offense worse.

 

[yossarian]

The team is 4th (not 9th) in the league in yards per punt return. However that is a very dynamic stat. There are 8 guys that can pass him with one good return.

However, as I said earlier in the thread, Ginn gets pretty much what is blocked for him. The big return yesterday saw the first to get to him bring him down. He practically never makes guys miss.

And he's a BAD wr. Having him on the field as a part of the offense makes our offense worse.

True, because he's a wasted resource, getting passes, etc. and doesn't deliver.

 

[Flyingiguana]

The team is 4th (not 9th) in the league in yards per punt return. However that is a very dynamic stat. There are 8 guys that can pass him with one good return.

However, as I said earlier in the thread, Ginn gets pretty much what is blocked for him. The big return yesterday saw the first to get to him bring him down. He practically never makes guys miss.

And he's a BAD wr. Having him on the field as a part of the offense makes our offense worse.

ginn makes guys miss by accelerating by them. his td per attempts are impressive in his career. he's what i would consider a step below the elite guys. the type where he only needs a seem to break one. can't teach the speed that is needed to run through those

 

[Mozart'sGhost]

This will be an interesting divide between posters I think.

Would you re-sign him, or, to make it a little more specific, at what price would you re-sign him?

I'd probably let him walk no matter the price.

I feel like everything he brings to the offense could be done by Kyle Williams, or a FA, or a draft pick, likely better than Ginn currently can.

With the return game, I don't know how much of the field position credit goes to him. He's not an explosive return guy. He's fast in a straight line, but doesn't have a lot of wiggle, and I question his balance. He seems to go down very easily when someone makes him change direction. He doesn't even have to be touched. If someone makes him cut, he either comes to a complete stop, or falls.

I don't think the return game gets hit all that much, if at all, if we go with Hunter, Williams or a draft pick.

He's easily the lowest priority for me as a FA that legitimately contributes to the team every Sunday (as opposed to someone that doesn't get on the field).

That's all that need be said right there.

 

[MW49ers5]

I think Ginn brings more, perhaps even much more value to the 49ers than what is being intimated in this thread. He is absolutely worth keeping and I hope we do. It will be interesting to see if our FO feels the same.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

The team is 4th (not 9th) in the league in yards per punt return. However that is a very dynamic stat. There are 8 guys that can pass him with one good return.

However, as I said earlier in the thread, Ginn gets pretty much what is blocked for him. The big return yesterday saw the first to get to him bring him down. He practically never makes guys miss.

And he's a BAD wr. Having him on the field as a part of the offense makes our offense worse.

Yes it appears we improved from 4th from 9th after the weekend, and it looks like ESPN also switched their format to show teams instead of players after the weekend. 49ers are now 1st in KO return average. Yes Ginn benefits from a good kickoff return blocking unit, but he also opens things up with his speed and ability. His speed does change the way coverage units cover, and he knows how to use his speed to beat tacklers. He has an unconventional return style, but it works.

As a receiver he sucks and that could cost him his job. That definitely needs to be factored in next year as weapons are added.

I would attempt to sign him to a minimal contract for around $1 mil for 1 year and let him compete in training camp for a spot. We could do a lot worse for a 4th/5th emergency WR spot for what he brings to the return game.

 

[MW49ers5]

Ginn's making a house call today - Book it!

The house had a porch that extended out to the 4-yard line - That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Even though Ginn hasnt had return since week 1. I gotta admit i still feel spoiled by it because i feel hes gonna do it every game.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

The house had a porch that extended out to the 4-yard line - That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

I was there in person : ( i was going crazy. WHY couldnt he finish it!? WHY!?

 

[MW49ers5]

Even though Ginn hasnt had return since week 1. I gotta admit i still feel spoiled by it because i feel hes gonna do it every game.

Same here! The moment I see him move beyond the first level my heart rate doubles! If he could find a way to stop the senseless drops he would be our Antonio Brown.

 

[MW49ers5]

I was there in person : ( i was going crazy. WHY couldnt he finish it!? WHY!?

LOL!!! I know what you mean, my house was awash with screams of "Go Baby, Go Baby, Go Baby!" which gave way to a "damn-it!"

Four plays it was a collective WTF!!!