Stick Figure released

[gkekoa]

I had no idea it worked that way. Thank God.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Sportster 72]

I said this would be the dead cap money a day or two ago. This is correct. After this year Washington had $4,1 million in dead cap in 2025 and $2 million + for Dotson.

If they decide to move on from Jon Allen he would count $6 million in dead cap but save $17 million. This isn't a prediction but something some have suggested could happen.

 

[skinz2winz]

I said this would be the dead cap money a day or two ago. This is correct. After this year Washington had $4,1 million in dead cap in 2025 and $2 million + for Dotson.

If they decide to move on from Jon Allen he would count $6 million in dead cap but save $17 million. This isn't a prediction but something some have suggested could happen.

The way we have been gutted in the run game, I would think Allen sticks around. Just my hunch is all.

 

[Breed]

St.Turd is just not good at defending passes. There are times hes glued to his man but seems to forget the objective

Agreed, but he never looks for the damn ball in the air. He also doesn't use his 6'3" size at all.

 

[Breed]

That was me. He seems to be a better fit there but what do I know...

It's not a bad idea imo.

 

[Sportster 72]

ttThe way we have been gutted in the run game, I would think Allen sticks around. Just my hunch is all.

I am wasn't suggesting getting rid of Allen, just the economics of if they did.

I have purposefully stayed out of the GM suggestions. We waited a long time to get a good GM. Through almost a year he and DQ have done a hell of a job. Until he proves to be wrong on a multiple picks or free agents he has my full support.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Im indifferent towards Allen being on this team or not. I don't think he's done anything to make me feel this way, but im kinda ready to wish him luck elsewhere

 

[skinsdad62]

allen has had a great career for us here in DC . . i like newton's potential but he isnt producing better then allen has for his career and mathis is an enigma . i think you evaluate what to do with allen in the off season

 

[Iggloo]

I was shocked that they cut Forbes, and suspect there must have been stuff going on behind the scenes because the cap hit is real.

That said, I think it's unlikely he ever becomes a good NFL player.

 

[gkekoa]

allen has had a great career for us here in DC . . i like newton's potential but he isnt producing better then allen has for his career and mathis is an enigma . i think you evaluate what to do with allen in the off season

I would shop Allen and see his value. While nobody has supplanted him, he has t really done anything to warrant us keeping him.

 

[skinz2winz]

I would shop Allen and see his value. While nobody has supplanted him, he has t really done anything to warrant us keeping him.

He is a team leader, great run stopper but over paid. How do we get him to take a pay cut to stay? Seem Allen & Payne are > Payne & Newton.

 

[gkekoa]

He is a team leader, great run stopper but over paid. How do we get him to take a pay cut to stay? Seem Allen & Payne are > Payne & Newton.

Is he a great run stopper? We have not had a good run defense in his tenure…not all on him.

If you factor in price, I will take Payne and Newton every time.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I would shop Allen and see his value. While nobody has supplanted him, he has t really done anything to warrant us keeping him.

Imagine being able to get a 2nd for him

 

[Breed]

The way we have been gutted in the run game, I would think Allen sticks around. Just my hunch is all.

They were getting gashed with Allen in the line up. And while Allen's production has gradually declined the last 3 years after having his best season in 21. Payne has basically been a JAG his entire career sans his contract year. There were far too many words like "if" and "potential" used too often with the Skins DL. If they play to their full potential. The 4 1st rd draft picks had some nice games together here n there, but that was about it.

 

[skinz2winz]

They were getting gashed with Allen in the line up. And while Allen's production has gradually declined the last 3 years after having his best season in 21. Payne has basically been a JAG his entire career sans his contract year. There were far too many words like "if" and "potential" used too often with the Skins DL. If they play to their full potential. The 4 1st rd draft picks had some nice games together here n there, but that was about it.

I agree with you regarding the line given the fact that all those 1sts round picks were a bit over rated. Allen showed more in the run game than all the others. Without him around, we get gashed every week it seems. Barkley had a hay day between the tackles and will do so again. Some of that has to do with alignment on defense since we move Luvu to an edge often, only leaving Wagner in the middle which is fairly easy to block and create space for guys like Barkley. When Quinn talks about guys like Luvu and how he represents what they want to be on defense, he has also mentioned Allen in the same context.
Currently, we are hearing more of the guys we picked up lately in on plays than we are Payne or Newton. Don't get me wrong, I like Newton, we just need more from those guys.

 

[gkekoa]

I agree with you regarding the line given the fact that all those 1sts round picks were a bit over rated. Allen showed more in the run game than all the others. Without him around, we get gashed every week it seems. Barkley had a hay day between the tackles and will do so again. Some of that has to do with alignment on defense since we move Luvu to an edge often, only leaving Wagner in the middle which is fairly easy to block and create space for guys like Barkley. When Quinn talks about guys like Luvu and how he represents what they want to be on defense, he has also mentioned Allen in the same context.
Currently, we are hearing more of the guys we picked up lately in on plays than we are Payne or Newton. Don't get me wrong, I like Newton, we just need more from those guys.

We are giving up 137 yards per game s season and last season we gave up 127. Not really much of a difference.

We are giving up 4.8 YPC this season compared to 4.5 last season but if we take away the two insane outliers in the fourth quarter of Derrick Henry and Saquon, I think the numbers may tell a different story.

 

[skinz2winz]

We are giving up 137 yards per game s season and last season we gave up 127. Not really much of a difference.

We are giving up 4.8 YPC this season compared to 4.5 last season but if we take away the two insane outliers in the fourth quarter of Derrick Henry and Saquon, I think the numbers may tell a different story.

So our run defense is worse this year than last. Surprising since DQ is a defensive guru. Oh yeah, Allen hasn't played much all season.

 

[gkekoa]

So our run defense is worse this year than last. Surprising since DQ is a defensive guru. Oh yeah, Allen hasn't played much all season.

Very slightly better but now compare that to last season in the NFL against the run. Here you go:

In 2024, the #1 RB is averaging 124 yards per game on 6.1 YPC and #2 is at 108 yards and 5.9 YPC.
In 2023, the #1 RB averaged 95 yards per game on 5ypc.

In 2024, the number ten running back 73.8 on 4.6/carry.
In 2023, the number ten running back 67.5 yards on 4.8/carry.

Or maybe we should look at teams and rushing. We have played the Eagles (#1 rushing at 188.9 on 5.1/carry) and the Ravens (#2 rushing at 179.1 on 5.7 yards/carry).
Just for comparison, 2023 #1 rushing team (Ravens) averaged 156.5 on 4.9/carry. Even more perspective, #2 in 2023 was 141.1 per game which is
7 this season.

Now we can look at the context of our games against Eagles and Ravens. Saquon rushed 26 times for 146, Gainwell 4 for 43, while Hurts rushed for 10 for 39 yards. Well in the 4th quarter Saquon rushed 6 for 74 yards, Gainwell rushed 3 for 30 yards, and Hurts rushed 3 for 7. Well more than 2/3 oftheir yards came in the fourth quarter when our offense sputtered.

The Baltimore game was the same. Henry rushed 24 for 132 and Lamar was 11 for 40. Mid third quarter and on, Henry was 13 for 86 and Lamar was 4 for -6 (2 kneel downs).

If not for these two late rushing meltdowns, statistically we would be far better against the run this season than last.

Yeah, the defense hasn’t improved at all with DQ and JW.
2023- yards/game 389 (worst), 263 pass (worst), 127 rush (6th worst), scoring 30.5 (worst)
2024- yards/game 328 (16), 191 (5), rush 137 (26), scoring 22.8 (16).

Just because one aspect of the defense is worse but the rest is FAR better, doesn’t mean he is not a guru.

 

[PDay8810]

Dan Quinn is a great people person with players. Perhaps the most valuable asset for coaching today.

Guru?
please