Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi (2017)

[Niner Outlaw]

Still don't follow

Galen Urso is the man in Rogue One who got the DS built. He made the plans. But he also indicated that he wasn't all that special as @calsnowskier noted. In Rogue One, he said that the empire didn't really need him (...and by extension that means they didn't need the plans he'd eventually make) because the empire would've eventually figured out how to build it even without him. Just as he predicted, in E6, the empire figured out how to build another one without him.

 

[calsnowskier]

Galen Urso is the man in Rogue One who got the DS built. He made the plans. However, in Rogue One, he said that the empire didn't really need him (...and by extension that means they didn't need the plans he'd eventually make) because the empire would've eventually figured out how to build it even without him. Just as he predicted, in E6, the empire figured out how to build another one without him.

And...

Because the Empire was now motivated to get one built, they were able to build it from scratch in about half the time. We see the rough skeleton of DS1 at the end of III -- approx 20 years later, DS1 is fully operational and conducts 2 successful tests before getting destroyed. Then the Empire begins construction on DS2 and has a working skeleton approx 6 years later. Approx 25 years later, they have a fully functional Star Killer Base. It can be assumed, however, that they may have been already working on the SKB before the destruction of DS2.

 

[lilchi721]

Galen Urso is the man in Rogue One who got the DS built. He made the plans. But he also indicated that he wasn't all that special as @calsnowskier noted. In Rogue One, he said that the empire didn't really need him (...and by extension that means they didn't need the plans he'd eventually make) because the empire would've eventually figured out how to build it even without him. Just as he predicted, in E6, the empire figured out how to build another one without him.

If they didn't need Urso's plans then why the heck was the Empire so desperate to get it back?

 

[calsnowskier]

If they didn't need Urso's plans then why the heck was the Empire so desperate to get it back?

So the Rebels didn't have it.

Why do you protect you ATM password? You already know it. Who cares if someone else gets it.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Jedi is both the singular and plural of Jedi. Like moose. As in, the one Jedi killed the other two Jedi.

But "The Last" refers to a singular doesn't it?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

(plural) The Last Geese or the Last Moose doesn't make any sense... it would have to be The Last of the Jedi to make it plural.

 

[calsnowskier]

(plural) The Last Geese or the Last Moose doesn't make any sense... it would have to be The Last of the Jedi to make it plural.

"The Last of the Mohicans" was singular.

 

[juliansteed]

So the Rebels didn't have it.

Why do you protect you ATM password? You already know it. Who cares if someone else gets it.

This. Plus they still didn't realize that they didn't need him. This is made quite clear in the movie. Galen says that The Empire believes they need him to complete the Death Star but Galen realized that suicide or escape attempts wouldn't prevent the creation of the Death Star because the Empire would soon realize they don't need him as badly as they think. Therefore, his best plan was to agree to complete it but sabotage the project by creating a weakness that can be exploited by the rebels as long as they are aware of it.

 

[juliansteed]

It's actually no attachments, i.e.- a family. So there's lots of grey area to play with there. Ki Adi Mundi was even allowed to have a full fledged family in the EU.

The thing is, there was a certain amount of attachment to Satine that is made clear in the Clone Wars whether Obiwan impregnated her or not. She may have chosen to keep it secret from him because of his Jedi code to prevent further attachment. Obiwan told Satine that he would have left the Jedi had she said the word. The name "Sabine" is a combination of their names as well, albeit much close to Satine. Now she makes reference to a family that would be completely different than this theory but it could be an adopted family. Her family didn't support her political views, possibly because they were sensing too much of her natural parents in her.

 

[juliansteed]

I think it's important to remember that all of this monk-like lifestyle of the Jedi wasn't a thing until the prequels. The prequels are of course canon and there are certain things that can't just be discarded without explanation. A lot of people involved in the new trilogy want very little to do with certain things form the prequels such as Jar Jar Binks and Medichloreans. They aren't going to deny their existence. They just aren't going to acknowledge it either. That stuff is pretty easy to get around.

Now the Jedi code established in the prequels could be a bit trickier to work around but not really by all that much. If the producers of the new movies weren't fans of the prequels and some of the concepts introduced, they certainly wouldn't hold back given the opportunity to work around something like that. They can't just pretend it didn't exist but they can come up with reasons not to be totally faithful to it easily enough. As previously mentioned, it was established that Obiwan had formed quite an attachment to Satine during The Clone Wars. In fact all 3 of the main Jedi in that series had a love interest at one point. Anakin's was obviously Padme, and Asohka seemed to have a bit of a crush on a recurring character (forget his name) as well.

As childish as the Clone Wars was for the first few episodes, it's a great series and does a lot to clean up some of the mess from the prequels and helps get them out of some of the corners they pained themselves into with that trilogy. In this case, it shows that they are all human (or close enough) and even though they aren't supposed to form attachments, they will from time to time.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

"The Last of the Mohicans" was singular.

Good point... Given the fact that its likely referencing Rey & Luke, you are probably correct. For some reason my brain is having a tough time wrapping around the plural form. But again, it could be either singular or plural.

 

[Podunkparte]

The theories I heard said that Mendolsons character was a good architect/engineer, but ultimately, nothing particularly special. Once the Empire put the construction of a new DS at the top of the priority list, they were able to attract other, better engineers.

Galen was a brilliant scientist and on the cutting edge of harnessing energy from the crystals used to power the DS. The Empire wanted to use his research to power the weapon. He wanted to use it to provide power for outer rim (poor) planets. Since he knew they already had his research ( from the book Catalyst,) and would eventually weaponise it, he made himself useful to have in the design process, ultimately including the flaw used in Episode 4 to destroy it.

 

[BeaReylo]

Phantom Menace

This was probably intended to refer to JarJar when the movie was released, but since they abandoned that storyline, it referred to Palpatine.

Clone Wars

Self explanatory. No double meaning.

Revenge of the Sith

The Sith had been wiped out, and this was their return, while wiping out the Jedi, using their "chosen one" to do it.

A New Hope

Luke is the obvious reference. However, it could mean the rebellion as a whole. Taking out the Death Star was a critical blow to the Emoire.

Empire Strikes Back

Self explanatory. The Empire is pissed at the Rebels and are hunting them down.

Return of the Jedi

Luke returns from time with Yoda. Also, the Jedi order is back for the first time since Order 66.

Force Awakens

Rey "Awakens". The force also appeared to be calling to Rey, so maybe it referred to actual force awakening as its own character.

The Last Jedi

Will it refer to just Luke? Just Rey? Both? Will Ben make some sort of face turn? Could there be another meaning?

Return of the Jedi may be in reference to Anakin Skywalker and his return to the light.

 

[juliansteed]

Return of the Jedi may be in reference to Anakin Skywalker and his return to the light.

Exactly. Jedi in the title can be singular but can have multiple meanings and therefore refer to more than one character but in different ways, as it did with Return of the Jedi.

Luke is currently believed to be "The Last Jedi" as Episode 7's title crawl explicitly states. But maybe Rey or someone else will become the last Jedi (at least for a time being).

 

[BeaReylo]

Exactly. Jedi in the title can be singular but can have multiple meanings and therefore refer to more than one character but in different ways, as it did with Return of the Jedi.

Luke is currently believed to be "The Last Jedi" as Episode 7's title crawl explicitly states. But maybe Rey or someone else will become the last Jedi (at least for a time being).

I suspect the title is about Kylo/Ben. Episode VIII will be about him and what lead him to the darkside. He is the last Skywalker and was probably Luke's star pupil. So in a sense the Jedi's legacy would've rested on his shoulders to take over for his uncle.

 

[juliansteed]

I suspect the title is about Kylo/Ben. Episode VIII will be about him and what lead him to the darkside. He is the last Skywalker and was probably Luke's star pupil. So in a sense the Jedi's legacy would've rested on his shoulders to take over for his uncle.

I actually think there is an outside chance it could refer to Anakin Skywalker. Probably more wishful thinking than anything else. But the theory is based on the premise that while Luke was strong with the light side of the Force, he realizes that he never truly was a Jedi and has founded another light-side religion. He was given a crash course on how to use the Force but never really took part in their lifestyle. And perhaps there's certain aspects of their religion he didn't quite believe in. Seeing as how he and his sister are the product for a Jedi not being 100% faithful to the Jedi code, it's not hard to imagine how this could be the case. He had great respect for Yoda and Obiwan but it was clear he didn't always agree with them. The final task they both gave him was to kill Vader which he refused to do and certainly didn't seem to regret that decision. So just like some Christians weren't all on the same page and new Christian religions were formed several centuries ago, Luke is creating his own light-side religion that is similar to that of the Jedi but has some differences. This would mirror the fact that Snoke and Kylo Ren are dark side users but are not Sith.

So how could the movie's title be about a character that has been dead for 30 years? Well I've heard rumors that Hayden Christiansen might appear either as a Force ghost or in visions to multiple characters, both as Vader and as Anakin. Kylo Ren could also be busy trying to obtain some of Vader's artifacts for some reason, which would likely mean that Luke and Rey would as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we see his castle on Mustafar again either.

Kind of a long shot as they are trying to transition the saga from the old characters to the new characters, and all signs point to Luke actually being considered a Jedi, but I think it would be cool if it played out something like this.

 

[BigRedMoe]

 

[BeaReylo]

The title of The Last Jedi is a plural.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is Plural (And What That Means)

So it must be in reference to Rey, Kylo Ren aka Ben Solo and Luke Skywalker.

 

[Melman]

Just revealed at Star Wars Celebration in Orlando, Florida:

 

[BusSport]

From the official, rather than third-party, channel: