Game Thread: STANLEY CUP FINAL: Los Angles Kings vs. New York Rangers

[Johnnydollaz89]

Unfortunately for the Rangers fans who've been around all year(s), this group of Rangers fan seem to be the loud/visible ones. Between NYC and LA there's going to be an obnoxious amount of celebrities suddenly taking up the cause.

There already is plenty of them already.

 

[I_Shall_Return]

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[pixburgher66]

I honestly think we're going to see plenty of low scoring games. Solid defense, not many PP chances on either side, think both teams will be well disciplined, just gotta hope the refs don't try and control the series.

Hank vs Quick, every goalie fans' dream. It's going to be one hell of a match-up. Just talking about my team playing for the best trophy in the world is giving me the chills. I still can't believe this

Best goalie matchup in...forever. Gotta do some research now on that. Heck, the most recent Cup winning goalies: Crawford (v. Rask), Quick (v. Brodeur), Thomas (v. Luongo), Niemi (v. Leighton), Fleury (v. Osgood), Osgood (v. Fleury), Giguere (v. Emery), Ward (v. Roloson).

I suppose Quick-Brodeur was a "sexy" matchup, but it wasn't prime Marty. This is the first time in quite a bit that two GREAT goalies got to the Finals.

 

[pixburgher66]

There already is plenty of them already.

I've always been thankful that, with a few exceptions, Pittsburgh doesn't attract those. We have some with the Steelers I guess? And Russel Crowe likes Pittsburgh...and Snoop Dogg. But not really. Still, nothing bugs me more than getting excited when you see a fellow fan wearing a jersey, and you go to chat them up about the game/players, and it's like talking to a wall. "Hey, that was a great game last night!" "Yeah!" "So, do you think they should switch up the d-pairs, or do you like them this way? Personally seemed like they struggled a bit, etc." "...what?" "*grumbles* Never mind."

EDIT: Also, this happens regularly as a female when I'm pumped to see what appears to be a fellow female fan.

 

[postmaster]

I've always been thankful that, with a few exceptions, Pittsburgh doesn't attract those. We have some with the Steelers I guess? And Russel Crowe likes Pittsburgh...and Snoop Dogg. But not really. Still, nothing bugs me more than getting excited when you see a fellow fan wearing a jersey, and you go to chat them up about the game/players, and it's like talking to a wall. "Hey, that was a great game last night!" "Yeah!" "So, do you think they should switch up the d-pairs, or do you like them this way? Personally seemed like they struggled a bit, etc." "...what?" "*grumbles* Never mind."

EDIT: Also, this happens regularly as a female when I'm pumped to see what appears to be a fellow female fan.

Since they started selling pink Red Wings gear for women, it has been easier to spot those haha.

Pre-emptive higgy

 

[pixburgher66]

Since they started selling pink Red Wings gear for women, it has been easier to spot those haha.

Pre-emptive higgy

That's honestly a great way to spot 'em. I hate those with a passion. Wearing a women's cut is obviously acceptable, but if you can't wear your team's colors, you can't care that much. I mostly hate that pink is the automatic "WOMAN!" color. I like many shades of pink, but not the light, should be a baby blanket, one they use on those jerseys.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Best goalie matchup in...forever. Gotta do some research now on that. Heck, the most recent Cup winning goalies: Crawford (v. Rask), Quick (v. Brodeur), Thomas (v. Luongo), Niemi (v. Leighton), Fleury (v. Osgood), Osgood (v. Fleury), Giguere (v. Emery), Ward (v. Roloson).

I suppose Quick-Brodeur was a "sexy" matchup, but it wasn't prime Marty. This is the first time in quite a bit that two GREAT goalies got to the Finals.

Thomas won the Vezina that year didn't he? And Luongo was 3rd? And both of them have significantly higher career SV% than Quick does.

 

[postmaster]

Thomas won the Vezina that year didn't he? And Luongo was 3rd? And both of them have significantly higher career SV% than Quick does.

Quick has a higher playoff save percentage than Luongo.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Quick has a higher playoff save percentage than Luongo.

JS Giguere was on the list too and has a higher playoff save percentage than Quick if that's what we're using to judge "elite" goalies.

Hell so do Jonas Hiller and Mike Smith, and no one thinks they're anything special for it.

I just can't wrap my head around a convincing reason why the "OMG bestest goalie in the wurld!!!1!!1!" hasn't stopped more shots since his one legitimately big year two years ago.

 

[Cobiemonster]

JS Giguere was on the list too and has a higher playoff save percentage than Quick if that's what we're using to judge "elite" goalies.

Hell so do Jonas Hiller and Mike Smith, and no one thinks they're anything special for it.

I just can't wrap my head around why the "OMG bestest goalie in the wurld!!!1!!1!" hasn't stopped more shots since his one legitimately big year two years ago.

Yet he's gotten his team further into the playoffs than just about any other goalie in the league, so winning does count - and you have to realize that playing against a team like Chicago, it's hard for any goalie to dominate - I expect him to be better in this series because it shouldn't be as wide open as the Chicago series

 

[postmaster]

Thomas won the Vezina that year didn't he? And Luongo was 3rd? And both of them have significantly higher career SV% than Quick does.

Quick has a higher playoff save percentage than Luongo.

JS Giguere was on the list too and has a higher playoff save percentage than Quick if that's what we're using to judge "elite" goalies.

Hell so do Jonas Hiller and Mike Smith, and no one thinks they're anything special for it.

I just can't wrap my head around a convincing reason why the "OMG bestest goalie in the wurld!!!1!!1!" hasn't stopped more shots since his one legitimately big year two years ago.

Ummmm, what????????

And this has to do with your point of Luongo having a "significantly" higher save % how?

 

[DragonfromTO]

Yet he's gotten his team further into the playoffs than just about any other goalie in the league, so winning does count - and you have to realize that playing against a team like Chicago, it's hard for any goalie to dominate - I expect him to be better in this series because it shouldn't be as wide open as the Chicago series

I'm not talking about how he did against Chicago, I'm talking about how he's done over the entirety of the past two seasons.

The Kings gave up the fewest goals in the league this year, but that was largely a function of giving up the 2nd fewest shots. Like I said before, if he's "best in the world" level good why doesn't he stop shots more often? What explains it?

 

[DragonfromTO]

Ummmm, what????????

And this has to do with your point of Luongo having a "significantly" higher save % how?

He does. .919 for Luongo, .915 for Quick.

You brought up playoff SV% instead, so I just traveled a little bit down the road that using that puts one on.

 

[postmaster]

He does. .919 for Luongo, .915 for Quick.

You brought up playoff SV% instead, so I just traveled a little bit down the road that using that puts one on.

so .004 is a "SIGNIFICANTLY" higher save percentage now?

 

[Cobiemonster]

I'm not talking about how he did against Chicago, I'm talking about how he's done over the entirety of the past two seasons.

The Kings gave up the fewest goals in the league this year, but that was largely a function of giving up the 2nd fewest shots. Like I said before, if he's "best in the world" level good why doesn't he stop shots more often? What explains it?

Jonathan Quick still had six shutouts this season in only 40 something games, imagine if he played 70 like he did two years ago, he would have maybe double - since winning the Cup, he had surgery on his back which slowed him down early last season and this season he had the groin issue - he hasn't had a full season since winning the Cup

I'd still take Jonathan Quick over anybody because I know when the going gets tough he'll make the big stops

 

[DragonfromTO]

so .004 is a "SIGNIFICANTLY" higher save percentage now?

I mean, are we really quibbling about what specific adjective I used?

Over this kind of sample size I think it's probably a big enough difference to suggest that the goalie who holds the lead is probably at least in the same league as the one trailing him.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Jonathan Quick still had six shutouts this season in only 40 something games, imagine if he played 70 like he did two years ago, he would have maybe double - since winning the Cup, he had surgery on his back which slowed him down early last season and this season he had the groin issue - he hasn't had a full season since winning the Cup

I'd still take Jonathan Quick over anybody because I know when the going gets tough he'll make the big stops

His backups (Martin Jones and Ben Scrivens) managed to combine for 7 shutouts in 11 fewer games. There would seem to be a lot of team factors there.

Were the Olympics "tough"? He put up good numbers there, .923 SV%. Until one digs a little deeper and sees that 7 of the "starting" goalies in the tournament had higher SV%. The whole thing is a small sample of course, but "when the going gets tough" is pretty much always a small sample.

 

[BlueWolfZero]

if only either city and fan base deserved it....

 

[Cobiemonster]

His backups (Martin Jones and Ben Scrivens) managed to combine for 7 shutouts in 11 fewer games. There would seem to be a lot of team factors there.

Were the Olympics "tough"? He put up good numbers there, .923 SV%. Until one digs a little deeper and sees that 7 of the "starting" goalies in the tournament had higher SV%. The whole thing is a small sample of course, but "when the going gets tough" is pretty much always a small sample.

That's where the "it" factor comes into play - he knows when it's time to step up and make the big save, not all goalies have that

Also, as I've said before, when Martin Jones and Ben Scrivens were playing the bulk of the games, they had easier opponents - from the time Jonathan Quick got hurt to the time he returned, the Kings played these teams:

@ NYI, @ NJ, @ NYR, TB, NJ, COL, @ VAN, @ SJ, CGY, STL @ ANA, NYI, @ MTL, @ TOR, @ OTT, @ CHI, EDM, SJ, COL, DAL, @ NSH, @ CHI, @ DAL, @ STL

Out of those 24 games, 10 of those teams came against non-playoff opponents

When Jonathan Quick came back, here's the opponents the Kings had from that point to the last game before the break:

VAN, MIN, BOS, DET, VAN, @ STL, @ DET, @ BOS, @ CBJ, @ ANA, ANA, @ SJ, @ PHX, PIT, PHI, CHI, CBJ

In those 17 games, only THREE of those teams were non-playoff opponents - Jonathan Quick jumped back into the fold after missing two months and played a hellacious schedule, he didn't get powder puff teams when he came back, that's why his numbers weren't dominant - also at that point in the season the Kings were having trouble scoring again and in some games they were choosing not to play defense

I don't want to sit here and diminish what Martin Jones and Ben Scrivens did, they did great in keeping the Kings in it until Quickie got back, but let's be honest, Jonathan Quick's best play has come in the playoffs, even this year when his numbers haven't been great, numerous games where he makes a big save that ends up being the difference in the game and helps the Kings come back and win(he made 2 or 3 of those type of saves in the Chicago series) - you can't teach the "it" factor, he's one of the very few goalies in the league that has it and you have to respect that

 

[postmaster]

I mean, are we really quibbling about what specific adjective I used?

Over this kind of sample size I think it's probably a big enough difference to suggest that the goalie who holds the lead is probably at least in the same league as the one trailing him.

Well considering your rant of other goalies who have higher playoff save %s than quick (who also must have significantly higher playoff save percentages than Luongo), I am now unsure what your point is.