So who drafts Watson

[ATL96Steeler]

you think watson lats to the second round? If anything someone will trade up end of round 1 for him.

That could happen...depends on how many QBs go in the 1st round...if Kizer and Trubisky go early, yes, somebody will take Watson in the 1st rd.

 

[rmilia1]

I think he'd be a solid pick for a team like Pitt or NE. GI've him 3 or 4 years to develop. Any earlier than that is a stretch imo.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

But then this is the Browns where good decisions don't always win the day.

That's total bullshit, you asshole. Good decisions never win the day with the Browns.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I agree but I found it curious that they traded up to get him but only used him when they had to. Siemian played ok but is obviously not the long term answer.

I think Lynch has more upside than Siemian but he was the more ready player so they went with him. For them to move away from Lynch after what, 3 games is unlike Elway. idk if anyone in this class is heads and shoulders above Lynch actually.

 

[Balljim55]

Is this the year New Orleans moves on from Brees?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I think he'd be a solid pick for a team like Pitt or NE. GI've him 3 or 4 years to develop. Any earlier than that is a stretch imo.

My thinking as well, but maybe not those teams...Steelers need to figure out a long term option at edge rusher, also Timmons replacement...but if he were on the board when they picked in the 2nd rd...I could see it.

Steelers don't move around much, but I think NYG, or AZ trading back up to the bottom of the 1s would be options.

 

[Broncos6482]

Are they confident in what they have in Lynch?

I don't think they think he's so terrible that they'll give up on him a year in.

 

[Broncos6482]

I think Lynch has more upside than Siemian but he was the more ready player so they went with him. For them to move away from Lynch after what, 3 games is unlike Elway. idk if anyone in this class is heads and shoulders above Lynch actually.

Bingo. The consensus on Lynch was that he'd need time to develop. That's why Siemian won the job, he was ready to play and the offense clearly functioned better with him than with Lynch.

But I don't think Lynch was so terrible that they'd deem him a lost cause at this point.

 

[rmilia1]

My thinking as well, but maybe not those teams...Steelers need to figure out a long term option at edge rusher, also Timmons replacement...but if he were on the board when they picked in the 2nd rd...I could see it.

Steelers don't move around much, but I think NYG, or AZ trading back up to the bottom of the 1s would be options.

Sure. Any quality team with an older QB. I will say that too often, imo, teams draft need instead of talent. If the Steelers need an edge rusher that's a good place to start but if there isn't one there at 25-30 that you have graded as high as Watson then I'm taking Watson. So may guys lose their jobs on the NFL because they stretch for need instead of drafting the best dude available

 

[shopson67]

Yeah, the Browns would do better to trade the Eagles pick for Garoppolo than draft another shitty QB. But then this is the Browns where good decisions don't always win the day.

A #1 for Garoppolo? I think I understand why you think that would be a good idea, lol.

 

[shopson67]

Is this the year New Orleans moves on from Brees?

Not with a dead cap number of $37M. He's likely their starter for at least the next 2 years. Drafting a replacement to groom behind him wouldn't be a bad idea though. Luke McCown and Garrett Grayson don't exactly inspire confidence.

 

[Clayton]

He is going to be the 3rd QB off the board. Outside chance at 4th but probably the 3rd. What Walterfootball thinks:

Deshaun Watson just beat Alabama in the national championship. in the weeks prior to the game, Walt and I surveyed teams around the league to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. A high-ranking personnel man on a playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. Another team thought that Watson still could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL.

In this draft analyst's opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson has been off with his accuracy this year, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He has missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson's performance against Louisville confirmed the accuracy and ball-placement problems we've seen all season. He hasn't dominated, and his play is not that of a top quarterback prospect. All of this illustrates that Watson still has room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. He did finish the regular season playing better, but that doesn't make up for the struggles in the first two-thirds of the season.

It's worth noting that Watson is undersized compared to your average NFL starting quarterback. On top of that, he plays in a college spread offense that doesn't correlate well to the NFL. Thus, he's going to need to learn working under center and operating the huddle; he must improve footwork, and not being a running quarterback. There is no doubt that Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room.

Prior to the championship, Watson completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,173 yards with 38 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He has eight rushing touchdowns as well.

Watson isn't going to be going to a team that needs a QB next year imo. He'll go to a team that has an older QB in place and Watson could sit for a year. Cardinals trade back in rd1 would be a possibility. Chiefs staying put is a possibility. Niners trading up from rd2 is a possibility.

 

[shopson67]

He is going to be the 3rd QB off the board. Outside chance at 4th but probably the 3rd. What Walterfootball thinks:

Deshaun Watson just beat Alabama in the national championship. in the weeks prior to the game, Walt and I surveyed teams around the league to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. A high-ranking personnel man on a playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. Another team thought that Watson still could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL.

In this draft analyst's opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson has been off with his accuracy this year, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He has missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson's performance against Louisville confirmed the accuracy and ball-placement problems we've seen all season. He hasn't dominated, and his play is not that of a top quarterback prospect. All of this illustrates that Watson still has room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. He did finish the regular season playing better, but that doesn't make up for the struggles in the first two-thirds of the season.

It's worth noting that Watson is undersized compared to your average NFL starting quarterback. On top of that, he plays in a college spread offense that doesn't correlate well to the NFL. Thus, he's going to need to learn working under center and operating the huddle; he must improve footwork, and not being a running quarterback. There is no doubt that Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room.

Prior to the championship, Watson completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,173 yards with 38 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He has eight rushing touchdowns as well.

Watson isn't going to be going to a team that needs a QB next year imo. He'll go to a team that has an older QB in place and Watson could sit for a year. Cardinals trade back in rd1 would be a possibility. Chiefs staying put is a possibility. Niners trading up from rd2 is a possibility.

I don't know. If the Bills need a QB, Watson seems to be a relatively easy replacement for Tyrod in terms of fit for their offense. Of course, the OC could change...or become HC.

As far as Walter's concerns, aren't almost all of incoming college QBs from the spread these days? I don't know that I'd consider 6'2/209 small necessarily either. His completion percentage is 10th overall in FBS, but his INTs are a concern. If he could've gone pro last year, he's likely #1 overall. Truthfully, not much has changed this year statistically; he threw 88 more passes, which resulted in 6 more TDs and 4 more picks. Any failures in that Louisville game (which Clemson did win) could be attributed to needing to keep up with Louisville, who was very hot at the time and putting up video game numbers offensively, resulting in forcing some passes.

 

[cdumler7]

He is going to be the 3rd QB off the board. Outside chance at 4th but probably the 3rd. What Walterfootball thinks:

Deshaun Watson just beat Alabama in the national championship. in the weeks prior to the game, Walt and I surveyed teams around the league to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. A high-ranking personnel man on a playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. Another team thought that Watson still could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL.

In this draft analyst's opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson has been off with his accuracy this year, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He has missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson's performance against Louisville confirmed the accuracy and ball-placement problems we've seen all season. He hasn't dominated, and his play is not that of a top quarterback prospect. All of this illustrates that Watson still has room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. He did finish the regular season playing better, but that doesn't make up for the struggles in the first two-thirds of the season.

It's worth noting that Watson is undersized compared to your average NFL starting quarterback. On top of that, he plays in a college spread offense that doesn't correlate well to the NFL. Thus, he's going to need to learn working under center and operating the huddle; he must improve footwork, and not being a running quarterback. There is no doubt that Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room.

Prior to the championship, Watson completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,173 yards with 38 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He has eight rushing touchdowns as well.

Watson isn't going to be going to a team that needs a QB next year imo. He'll go to a team that has an older QB in place and Watson could sit for a year. Cardinals trade back in rd1 would be a possibility. Chiefs staying put is a possibility. Niners trading up from rd2 is a possibility.

I was actually thinking the Chiefs. They have the ability to wait a year or two for him to develop. He seems like a kid that Reid would like and would be very coachable.

 

[flyingelvis]

A #1 for Garoppolo? I think I understand why you think that would be a good idea, lol.

Why not? Combination of half the league needing a QB and a thin draft at the position. Did you see him play? I know it's a brief sample, but he played well against Arizona and absolutely lit up the Dolphins until he got hurt.

The Pats may only get something like a 2nd and 4th but can you blame them to expect a Bradford type return?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Sure. Any quality team with an older QB. I will say that too often, imo, teams draft need instead of talent. If the Steelers need an edge rusher that's a good place to start but if there isn't one there at 25-30 that you have graded as high as Watson then I'm taking Watson. So may guys lose their jobs on the NFL because they stretch for need instead of drafting the best dude available

Drafting need...you're 100% right there...that's what got them in trouble with Jarvis Jones...that said...the last few years...say Shazier forward they have gone back to their BPA roots and it's working.

In the case with Watson for PIT...they have enough needs to where I think they will find a starting caliber or a needed depth player in the 1st rd....OLB, ILB, slot CB, DE are all spots that would most likely get some time on the field. IMO, the Steelers not deep enough to take Watson that high and sit him for 2+ yrs....they might get one yr out of him as a starter before his rookie deal is up.

As much as I would like to see another option at back up QB...1st rd is too high to take him.

 

[Clayton]

Drafting need...you're 100% right there...that's what got them in trouble with Jarvis Jones...that said...the last few years...say Shazier forward they have gone back to their BPA roots and it's working.

In the case with Watson for PIT...they have enough needs to where I think they will find a starting caliber or a needed depth player in the 1st rd....OLB, ILB, slot CB, DE are all spots that would most likely get some time on the field. IMO, the Steelers not deep enough to take Watson that high and sit him for 2+ yrs....they might get one yr out of him as a starter before his rookie deal is up.

As much as I would like to see another option at back up QB...1st rd is too high to take him.

I thought Jarvis Jones was pretty universally seen as a steal and BPA on most boards. Jarvis Jones is more of a cautionary tale about ignoring the combine.

I agree with your opinion on Watson. If you're making the playoffs, you dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a QB unless he projects to be a badass.

 

[rmilia1]

Drafting need...you're 100% right there...that's what got them in trouble with Jarvis Jones...that said...the last few years...say Shazier forward they have gone back to their BPA roots and it's working.

In the case with Watson for PIT...they have enough needs to where I think they will find a starting caliber or a needed depth player in the 1st rd....OLB, ILB, slot CB, DE are all spots that would most likely get some time on the field. IMO, the Steelers not deep enough to take Watson that high and sit him for 2+ yrs....they might get one yr out of him as a starter before his rookie deal is up.

As much as I would like to see another option at back up QB...1st rd is too high to take him.

I get what you're saying and I don't disagree but if you've got him graded high enough I'd still do it. That's the one poslsition you cannot hide via scheme. That said I doubt they'd have him graded high enough to justify it.

 

[Scapegoat]

Cleveland at #12

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I thought Jarvis Jones was pretty universally seen as a steal and BPA on most boards. Jarvis Jones is more of a cautionary tale about ignoring the combine.

I agree with your opinion on Watson. If you're making the playoffs, you dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a QB unless he projects to be a badass.

I guess having seen the majority of his games at UGA...I was not in that camp...gaudy stats built on TEs, and LTs that were not going to play on SUN.

I was always higher on Ogletree being the better pro prospect...at the same time I also though Mingo would be a better pro than Jones so obviously I don't have it all down either. With Jones dropping as much as he did...Tomlin clearly went solely on the tape and they missed.