So Bears fans

[leomaz]

Sorry Cali, I don't know what play you're talking about.
I'm talking about GB's last possession and last play of that drive.
Where Conte didn't cover anybody. He played a zone D , while every other member of D was playing man to man.
Again he didn't cover anybody on that play. And just looked liked the dumb ass he is, protecting 10 to 15 yrds . of unoccupied grass. While his guy is catching the game winning pass. The pass that knocked us out of the play offs.

See whayt I mean Cali? He dosen't know what play you are taking about. Its the dislike of the player that is fueling his post

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Sorry Cali, I don't know what play you're talking about.
I'm talking about GB's last possession and last play of that drive.
Where Conte didn't cover anybody. He played a zone D , while every other member of D was playing man to man.
Again he didn't cover anybody on that play. And just looked liked the dumb ass he is, protecting 10 to 15 yrds . of unoccupied grass. While his guy is catching the game winning pass. The pass that knocked us out of the play offs.

We are talking about the same play. I've already gone over this. Bowman lined up on outside receiver, Conte lined up on Cobb in the slot. When Cobb takes off and outside WR runs a sideline route, Conte and Bowman switch. Conte is now covering the outside WR. I like drinking as much as anybody, but if you can't see the WR Conte is switching to, then you need to lay off the sauce.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

here, this will make the entire play a lot more obvious to you:

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Ok, so since it is slow today right now, and it is the offseason, and we have nothing better to talk about, I am going to keep going with this whole subject because I think there's a lot you can learn from this season-ending play. I think this is what bothers me about the whole "Chris Conte fucked it all up" so much, because it is typical of the mis-understanding about how NFL defenses work.

So let's consider a few things. Number one, the Bears defensive playcall. It's 48 seconds left in a game at home on a crappy Soldier Field surface. The Bears lead by 1. In almost any universe, your number one worry is that the Packers convert this play for short yardage, and make one or two more quick plays and get within field goal range. Right? Tell me where I go off base here. So the Bears obviously decided to call a gang blitz. No nickel corners. The Packers of course know what personnel group the Bears have, and as Rodgers - not exactly an idiot - walks up to the line, he sees the Bears in a gang blitz alignment consistent with the personnel they brought in.

I don't know, but I'd say it is about a 90% probability that Rodgers audibled the playcall at the line based on the defense. Why do I say this? The way the Packers pass blocked (with the defensive shift moving right, which pushes the Bears rush momentum right, and Peppers the lone left side container to be dealt with by Kuhn), and the fact that the routes are four verticals. If Rodgers wants to "take out" a Bears linebacker who is just faking the blitz from the coverage scheme, four verticals do that. No way Lane Briggs or any other defender can run backwards fast enough from a fake blitz to rejoin the coverage as long as all the routes go deep. No LB in the league is that fast. Deep routes, it is all one on one, and Rodgers knows this.

So prior to the snap, what is the Bears secondary thinking? The of course know the gang blitz play call, and their job is to assume the pass rush will force Rodgers to make a quick throw for the first down with the season on the line. Yes. That's their job. Else, why bother even DOING a gang blitz? Does anyone fault them for thinking so?

Ball in snapped. In no particular sequential order, the following things happen. One, even though the Bears have one more blitzer (7 against the 5 Packer O linemen and John Kuhn..no tight ends stayed home), the Packer line wipes out most of the Bears pass rush with the rightward momentum. Clever.

Two, Julius Peppers comes blaring in, and forgets that he's the leftside containment that might have collared Rodgers in a pocket collapsing under a gang blitz, and comes right at Rodgers and gets chip blocked by Kuhn. Not only is he now out of the play, but the entire Bears pass rush is totally wasted. Ooops! And bad. I loved Julius Peppers. He made many, many, many awesome plays as a Chicago Bear. But he totally fucked this play up. Funny thing, I don't remember a single Chicago sportswriter saying Julius Peppers fucked up that play. But if there is one Bear that caused that play to happen, and blew our postseason chances away, it was Julius Peppers. Yes, a team effort. But Peppers totally blew the whole premise of the play (make the gang blitz work and force Rodgers to throw fast). If there's one guy to blame, it is him.

Now to the secondary. So the play starts, they are of course assuming with an extra rusher someone gets home, and Rodgers (with 48 seconds on clock) just wants to keep drive alive. They need to cover the 8-15 yard zone. If the Bears pass rush works, and Rodgers throws fast and completes to an open mid-range receiver, Chicago fans and media will go apeshit. So that's what they are doing. Tucker decides that since Bowman sucks ass so much in physical matchups that he has to play Bowman in outside leverage, and that this strategy didn't work just a few plays ago when the season was on the line and the Packers converted another fourth down by throwing to the WR Bowman was covering, that he wants the coverage to switch things up and have Bowman come to the inside and play fast (one of Bowman's...umm..."strengths") and cover the slot. Conte is supposed to cover the outside after the snap.

This is exactly what we see on the replay. The one thing that is a little bit off-putting is that Bowman...while he clearly DOES make the switch and cover Cobb...he hesitates. He isn't sure. But at no point does he stay home on the outside WR. If he did, and Conte essentially covers the flat inside of the outside WR to prevent the play that happened on the previous first down, that might indict Tucker for playing a gamble, but that isn't what Tucker called...and you can tell, because Bowman DOES open his hips, turn, and sort of move towards Cobb as the switch occurs. Look at it. It's not ambiguous. It may seem so because he hesitates and does a half-assed job, but that's why he is on the New York Giants right now. Good riddance!

So of course Chicago media leaps onto the easiest, dumbest explanation for why the play happened, but the explanation is just fundamentally wrong. Chicago sports media don't exactly inspire me as NFL analysts. Sorry. Can't help it. My next door neighbor is a better football analyst than most Chicago sports media are. But he's a lawyer, making three times what they make, so that's how it goes. Natural selection at work.

So, Chris Conte gets a bad rap. Now, don't get me wrong, he's pretty mediocre. If his tenure as a Bear is done, fine, next man up please. But do not try to tell me Chris Conte blew that play, because he simply did not. If you are going to blame someone, blame Peppers, or Bowman, or Mel Tucker, or the whole team, but blaming Chris Conte for that play is just football ignorance at it's finest, I don't care what Michael Wright or Moon Mullin say.

 

[leomaz]

That was an excellent explanation of the play Cali. Some people will still blame Conte alone because they just don't like the player and even if the whole Chicago Bears team said EXACTLY what you just explained they still would blame him. I can't say I saw it exactly like you did but now I see it clearer. Be careful or you will be blocked.

 

[richig07]

Ok, so since it is slow today right now, and it is the offseason, and we have nothing better to talk about, I am going to keep going with this whole subject because I think there's a lot you can learn from this season-ending play. I think this is what bothers me about the whole "Chris Conte fucked it all up" so much, because it is typical of the mis-understanding about how NFL defenses work.

So let's consider a few things. Number one, the Bears defensive playcall. It's 48 seconds left in a game at home on a crappy Soldier Field surface. The Bears lead by 1. In almost any universe, your number one worry is that the Packers convert this play for short yardage, and make one or two more quick plays and get within field goal range. Right? Tell me where I go off base here. So the Bears obviously decided to call a gang blitz. No nickel corners. The Packers of course know what personnel group the Bears have, and as Rodgers - not exactly an idiot - walks up to the line, he sees the Bears in a gang blitz alignment consistent with the personnel they brought in.

I don't know, but I'd say it is about a 90% probability that Rodgers audibled the playcall at the line based on the defense. Why do I say this? The way the Packers pass blocked (with the defensive shift moving right, which pushes the Bears rush momentum right, and Peppers the lone left side container to be dealt with by Kuhn), and the fact that the routes are four verticals. If Rodgers wants to "take out" a Bears linebacker who is just faking the blitz from the coverage scheme, four verticals do that. No way Lane Briggs or any other defender can run backwards fast enough from a fake blitz to rejoin the coverage as long as all the routes go deep. No LB in the league is that fast. Deep routes, it is all one on one, and Rodgers knows this.

So prior to the snap, what is the Bears secondary thinking? The of course know the gang blitz play call, and their job is to assume the pass rush will force Rodgers to make a quick throw for the first down with the season on the line. Yes. That's their job. Else, why bother even DOING a gang blitz? Does anyone fault them for thinking so?

Ball in snapped. In no particular sequential order, the following things happen. One, even though the Bears have one more blitzer (7 against the 5 Packer O linemen and John Kuhn..no tight ends stayed home), the Packer line wipes out most of the Bears pass rush with the rightward momentum. Clever.

Two, Julius Peppers comes blaring in, and forgets that he's the leftside containment that might have collared Rodgers in a pocket collapsing under a gang blitz, and comes right at Rodgers and gets chip blocked by Kuhn. Not only is he now out of the play, but the entire Bears pass rush is totally wasted. Ooops! And bad. I loved Julius Peppers. He made many, many, many awesome plays as a Chicago Bear. But he totally fucked this play up. Funny thing, I don't remember a single Chicago sportswriter saying Julius Peppers fucked up that play. But if there is one Bear that caused that play to happen, and blew our postseason chances away, it was Julius Peppers. Yes, a team effort. But Peppers totally blew the whole premise of the play (make the gang blitz work and force Rodgers to throw fast). If there's one guy to blame, it is him.

Now to the secondary. So the play starts, they are of course assuming with an extra rusher someone gets home, and Rodgers (with 48 seconds on clock) just wants to keep drive alive. They need to cover the 8-15 yard zone. If the Bears pass rush works, and Rodgers throws fast and completes to an open mid-range receiver, Chicago fans and media will go apeshit. So that's what they are doing. Tucker decides that since Bowman sucks ass so much in physical matchups that he has to play Bowman in outside leverage, and that this strategy didn't work just a few plays ago when the season was on the line and the Packers converted another fourth down by throwing to the WR Bowman was covering, that he wants the coverage to switch things up and have Bowman come to the inside and play fast (one of Bowman's...umm..."strengths") and cover the slot. Conte is supposed to cover the outside after the snap.

This is exactly what we see on the replay. The one thing that is a little bit off-putting is that Bowman...while he clearly DOES make the switch and cover Cobb...he hesitates. He isn't sure. But at no point does he stay home on the outside WR. If he did, and Conte essentially covers the flat inside of the outside WR to prevent the play that happened on the previous first down, that might indict Tucker for playing a gamble, but that isn't what Tucker called...and you can tell, because Bowman DOES open his hips, turn, and sort of move towards Cobb as the switch occurs. Look at it. It's not ambiguous. It may seem so because he hesitates and does a half-assed job, but that's why he is on the New York Giants right now. Good riddance!

So of course Chicago media leaps onto the easiest, dumbest explanation for why the play happened, but the explanation is just fundamentally wrong. Chicago sports media don't exactly inspire me as NFL analysts. Sorry. Can't help it. My next door neighbor is a better football analyst than most Chicago sports media are. But he's a lawyer, making three times what they make, so that's how it goes. Natural selection at work.

So, Chris Conte gets a bad rap. Now, don't get me wrong, he's pretty mediocre. If his tenure as a Bear is done, fine, next man up please. But do not try to tell me Chris Conte blew that play, because he simply did not. If you are going to blame someone, blame Peppers, or Bowman, or Mel Tucker, or the whole team, but blaming Chris Conte for that play is just football ignorance at it's finest, I don't care what Michael Wright or Moon Mullin say.

Dude… you're a great poster. That's all I've got to say.

I've re-watched that play about a thousand times now. Best write-up I've seen on it yet. You've officially made me feel like a dope for blaming that play on Conte. Looking back, you're absolutely right, and I guess I just feel into the easy trap of playing along with the Chicago media.

That poor bastard Conte… lol

 

[63bears40]

Ok, so since it is slow today right now, and it is the offseason, and we have nothing better to talk about, I am going to keep going with this whole subject because I think there's a lot you can learn from this season-ending play. I think this is what bothers me about the whole "Chris Conte fucked it all up" so much, because it is typical of the mis-understanding about how NFL defenses work.

So let's consider a few things. Number one, the Bears defensive playcall. It's 48 seconds left in a game at home on a crappy Soldier Field surface. The Bears lead by 1. In almost any universe, your number one worry is that the Packers convert this play for short yardage, and make one or two more quick plays and get within field goal range. Right? Tell me where I go off base here. So the Bears obviously decided to call a gang blitz. No nickel corners. The Packers of course know what personnel group the Bears have, and as Rodgers - not exactly an idiot - walks up to the line, he sees the Bears in a gang blitz alignment consistent with the personnel they brought in.

I don't know, but I'd say it is about a 90% probability that Rodgers audibled the playcall at the line based on the defense. Why do I say this? The way the Packers pass blocked (with the defensive shift moving right, which pushes the Bears rush momentum right, and Peppers the lone left side container to be dealt with by Kuhn), and the fact that the routes are four verticals. If Rodgers wants to "take out" a Bears linebacker who is just faking the blitz from the coverage scheme, four verticals do that. No way Lane Briggs or any other defender can run backwards fast enough from a fake blitz to rejoin the coverage as long as all the routes go deep. No LB in the league is that fast. Deep routes, it is all one on one, and Rodgers knows this.

So prior to the snap, what is the Bears secondary thinking? The of course know the gang blitz play call, and their job is to assume the pass rush will force Rodgers to make a quick throw for the first down with the season on the line. Yes. That's their job. Else, why bother even DOING a gang blitz? Does anyone fault them for thinking so?

Ball in snapped. In no particular sequential order, the following things happen. One, even though the Bears have one more blitzer (7 against the 5 Packer O linemen and John Kuhn..no tight ends stayed home), the Packer line wipes out most of the Bears pass rush with the rightward momentum. Clever.

Two, Julius Peppers comes blaring in, and forgets that he's the leftside containment that might have collared Rodgers in a pocket collapsing under a gang blitz, and comes right at Rodgers and gets chip blocked by Kuhn. Not only is he now out of the play, but the entire Bears pass rush is totally wasted. Ooops! And bad. I loved Julius Peppers. He made many, many, many awesome plays as a Chicago Bear. But he totally fucked this play up. Funny thing, I don't remember a single Chicago sportswriter saying Julius Peppers fucked up that play. But if there is one Bear that caused that play to happen, and blew our postseason chances away, it was Julius Peppers. Yes, a team effort. But Peppers totally blew the whole premise of the play (make the gang blitz work and force Rodgers to throw fast). If there's one guy to blame, it is him.

Now to the secondary. So the play starts, they are of course assuming with an extra rusher someone gets home, and Rodgers (with 48 seconds on clock) just wants to keep drive alive. They need to cover the 8-15 yard zone. If the Bears pass rush works, and Rodgers throws fast and completes to an open mid-range receiver, Chicago fans and media will go apeshit. So that's what they are doing. Tucker decides that since Bowman sucks ass so much in physical matchups that he has to play Bowman in outside leverage, and that this strategy didn't work just a few plays ago when the season was on the line and the Packers converted another fourth down by throwing to the WR Bowman was covering, that he wants the coverage to switch things up and have Bowman come to the inside and play fast (one of Bowman's...umm..."strengths") and cover the slot. Conte is supposed to cover the outside after the snap.

This is exactly what we see on the replay. The one thing that is a little bit off-putting is that Bowman...while he clearly DOES make the switch and cover Cobb...he hesitates. He isn't sure. But at no point does he stay home on the outside WR. If he did, and Conte essentially covers the flat inside of the outside WR to prevent the play that happened on the previous first down, that might indict Tucker for playing a gamble, but that isn't what Tucker called...and you can tell, because Bowman DOES open his hips, turn, and sort of move towards Cobb as the switch occurs. Look at it. It's not ambiguous. It may seem so because he hesitates and does a half-assed job, but that's why he is on the New York Giants right now. Good riddance!

So of course Chicago media leaps onto the easiest, dumbest explanation for why the play happened, but the explanation is just fundamentally wrong. Chicago sports media don't exactly inspire me as NFL analysts. Sorry. Can't help it. My next door neighbor is a better football analyst than most Chicago sports media are. But he's a lawyer, making three times what they make, so that's how it goes. Natural selection at work.

So, Chris Conte gets a bad rap. Now, don't get me wrong, he's pretty mediocre. If his tenure as a Bear is done, fine, next man up please. But do not try to tell me Chris Conte blew that play, because he simply did not. If you are going to blame someone, blame Peppers, or Bowman, or Mel Tucker, or the whole team, but blaming Chris Conte for that play is just football ignorance at it's finest, I don't care what Michael Wright or Moon Mullin say.

Great post Cali.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx-P_aln1HU]Aaron Rodgers TD to Randall Cobb - YouTube[/ame]
I still believe Conte was responsible. If you remember he wouldn't talk to the media after the game. That shows some guilt to me . It was also reported that he never got the D play call.
Just think Bowman saw a guy streaking down field and felt he had cover Conte's ass.
I won't blame Pep either . It's his job to get to the QB. He almost did , but a great block prevented it.
We can probably debate this forever. Unless a coach comes out and actually says what happened on that play.

 

[63bears40]

Just another note. None of his coaches or players defended him after the fact. Just thought I'd throw that in.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Ok, so since it is slow today right now, and it is the offseason, and we have nothing better to talk about, I am going to keep going with this whole subject because I think there's a lot you can learn from this season-ending play. I think this is what bothers me about the whole "Chris Conte fucked it all up" so much, because it is typical of the mis-understanding about how NFL defenses work.

So let's consider a few things. Number one, the Bears defensive playcall. It's 48 seconds left in a game at home on a crappy Soldier Field surface. The Bears lead by 1. In almost any universe, your number one worry is that the Packers convert this play for short yardage, and make one or two more quick plays and get within field goal range. Right? Tell me where I go off base here. So the Bears obviously decided to call a gang blitz. No nickel corners. The Packers of course know what personnel group the Bears have, and as Rodgers - not exactly an idiot - walks up to the line, he sees the Bears in a gang blitz alignment consistent with the personnel they brought in.

I don't know, but I'd say it is about a 90% probability that Rodgers audibled the playcall at the line based on the defense. Why do I say this? The way the Packers pass blocked (with the defensive shift moving right, which pushes the Bears rush momentum right, and Peppers the lone left side container to be dealt with by Kuhn), and the fact that the routes are four verticals. If Rodgers wants to "take out" a Bears linebacker who is just faking the blitz from the coverage scheme, four verticals do that. No way Lane Briggs or any other defender can run backwards fast enough from a fake blitz to rejoin the coverage as long as all the routes go deep. No LB in the league is that fast. Deep routes, it is all one on one, and Rodgers knows this.

So prior to the snap, what is the Bears secondary thinking? The of course know the gang blitz play call, and their job is to assume the pass rush will force Rodgers to make a quick throw for the first down with the season on the line. Yes. That's their job. Else, why bother even DOING a gang blitz? Does anyone fault them for thinking so?

Ball in snapped. In no particular sequential order, the following things happen. One, even though the Bears have one more blitzer (7 against the 5 Packer O linemen and John Kuhn..no tight ends stayed home), the Packer line wipes out most of the Bears pass rush with the rightward momentum. Clever.

Two, Julius Peppers comes blaring in, and forgets that he's the leftside containment that might have collared Rodgers in a pocket collapsing under a gang blitz, and comes right at Rodgers and gets chip blocked by Kuhn. Not only is he now out of the play, but the entire Bears pass rush is totally wasted. Ooops! And bad. I loved Julius Peppers. He made many, many, many awesome plays as a Chicago Bear. But he totally fucked this play up. Funny thing, I don't remember a single Chicago sportswriter saying Julius Peppers fucked up that play. But if there is one Bear that caused that play to happen, and blew our postseason chances away, it was Julius Peppers. Yes, a team effort. But Peppers totally blew the whole premise of the play (make the gang blitz work and force Rodgers to throw fast). If there's one guy to blame, it is him.

Now to the secondary. So the play starts, they are of course assuming with an extra rusher someone gets home, and Rodgers (with 48 seconds on clock) just wants to keep drive alive. They need to cover the 8-15 yard zone. If the Bears pass rush works, and Rodgers throws fast and completes to an open mid-range receiver, Chicago fans and media will go apeshit. So that's what they are doing. Tucker decides that since Bowman sucks ass so much in physical matchups that he has to play Bowman in outside leverage, and that this strategy didn't work just a few plays ago when the season was on the line and the Packers converted another fourth down by throwing to the WR Bowman was covering, that he wants the coverage to switch things up and have Bowman come to the inside and play fast (one of Bowman's...umm..."strengths") and cover the slot. Conte is supposed to cover the outside after the snap.

This is exactly what we see on the replay. The one thing that is a little bit off-putting is that Bowman...while he clearly DOES make the switch and cover Cobb...he hesitates. He isn't sure. But at no point does he stay home on the outside WR. If he did, and Conte essentially covers the flat inside of the outside WR to prevent the play that happened on the previous first down, that might indict Tucker for playing a gamble, but that isn't what Tucker called...and you can tell, because Bowman DOES open his hips, turn, and sort of move towards Cobb as the switch occurs. Look at it. It's not ambiguous. It may seem so because he hesitates and does a half-assed job, but that's why he is on the New York Giants right now. Good riddance!

So of course Chicago media leaps onto the easiest, dumbest explanation for why the play happened, but the explanation is just fundamentally wrong. Chicago sports media don't exactly inspire me as NFL analysts. Sorry. Can't help it. My next door neighbor is a better football analyst than most Chicago sports media are. But he's a lawyer, making three times what they make, so that's how it goes. Natural selection at work.

So, Chris Conte gets a bad rap. Now, don't get me wrong, he's pretty mediocre. If his tenure as a Bear is done, fine, next man up please. But do not try to tell me Chris Conte blew that play, because he simply did not. If you are going to blame someone, blame Peppers, or Bowman, or Mel Tucker, or the whole team, but blaming Chris Conte for that play is just football ignorance at it's finest, I don't care what Michael Wright or Moon Mullin say.

cliff notes? I'm drank

 

[55briggs]

blame who you want but i blame the bears for that play

 

[leomaz]

sometimes you need to think before you hit post

Great post Cali.
Aaron Rodgers TD to Randall Cobb - YouTube
I still believe Conte was responsible. If you remember he wouldn't talk to the media after the game. That shows some guilt to me . It was also reported that he never got the D play call.
Just think Bowman saw a guy streaking down field and felt he had cover Conte's ass.
I won't blame Pep either . It's his job to get to the QB. He almost did , but a great block prevented it.
We can probably debate this forever. Unless a coach comes out and actually says what happened on that play.

Just another note. None of his coaches or players defended him after the fact. Just thought I'd throw that in.

Like I said, almost on cue.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Just another note. None of his coaches or players defended him after the fact. Just thought I'd throw that in.

That's true, and interesting. Of course there are a few possible reasons why. For one thing, Tucker himself is open to criticism for that being the coverage call.

See, the thing is, if Bowman had simply stayed on the outside the whole time, I would grant that he simply blew it. But the tape doesn't lie.

Anyway, I swear to God I really am done beating this dead horse.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Anyway, I swear to God I really am done beating this dead horse.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I was on the shitter and missed your posts, can you start over please.

 

[63bears40]

That's true, and interesting. Of course there are a few possible reasons why. For one thing, Tucker himself is open to criticism for that being the coverage call.

See, the thing is, if Bowman had simply stayed on the outside the whole time, I would grant that he simply blew it. But the tape doesn't lie.

Anyway, I swear to God I really am done beating this dead horse.

Man I just watched the game for the umpteen time.
It's clearly evident Conte had no clue to what D was called. His first move is towards the middle of the field. Where there was a well covered WR.
Yeah, fuck it. I'm done as well.

 

[blh7068]

Forgive me for disagreeing. Game 1 ,everybody is healthy (supposedly). Peanut gets burnt 2xs by Green. He had good coverage on both plays. But a frickin safety was nowhere to be found.
And when Peanut was on the sidelines. His replacement got burnt for long TD. Again by poor safety play.
Don't tell me our pass D was good. They weren't. And when injuries hit the D-line. It just exposed the secondary for what they were. I think our CBs are average at best in coverage. But our safeties sucked both against the run & pass, if they could even figure out what was coming.
I think Phil realized this also.
Why else would he sign 2 or 3 FA Safeties, not resign Wright, and move up in the draft to draft 1.
Not saying all our D woes is the fault of the DBs. Just saying they didn't offer much help.

One game? Cmon. Body of work is more telling. 161 rush yards/game that was good for a distant last in the league. That tells me exactly where the core problem is. When a team cant stop the run, the secondary, especially the safeties are going to get caught out of position. They react to what theyre used to seeing- coming up in run support when the ball carrier has reached the 2nd level. That is a recipe for getting torched on play action- it looks like its poor safety play but really isnt, its a reaction to what they have been used to seeing.

 

[blh7068]

That's true, and interesting. Of course there are a few possible reasons why. For one thing, Tucker himself is open to criticism for that being the coverage call.

See, the thing is, if Bowman had simply stayed on the outside the whole time, I would grant that he simply blew it. But the tape doesn't lie.

Anyway, I swear to God I really am done beating this dead horse.

I need to add one more whack...

I adamantly contend it was Peps fault on that play. On a blitz up the middle, his assignment is to keep contain to his side of the field. He was blocked by Kuhn and Rodgers rolled to his side- which allowed him to make that throw. Cobb breaks up field when he sees that Rodgers has a clean break to the outside. Rodgers doesnt make that throw from the pocket. Blown assignment by Pep...cant call it any other way.

 

[leomaz]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=JMEQo_do8OJNEb5AqqeE0A&bvm=bv.66699033,d.aWw
This is what I meant by sucking. The Bears had 2 TD lead w/ 2 min. or so on the clock. Playing a PREVENT D, and this shit happens.
Yeah the CB got his wheels blown off . Just think he was expecting help, which again . Got there 2 steps slow. Just don't think Conte has a mind for this game.

This is a Lovie Smith philosophy. ........it happens to multiple teams every week. .....SMH

 

[blh7068]

This is a Lovie Smith philosophy. ........it happens to multiple teams every week. .....SMH

Any defense will have a tendency to relax when the lead is "sizeable". Its seen throughout the league.

 

[63bears40]

One game? Cmon. Body of work is more telling. 161 rush yards/game that was good for a distant last in the league. That tells me exactly where the core problem is. When a team cant stop the run, the secondary, especially the safeties are going to get caught out of position. They react to what theyre used to seeing- coming up in run support when the ball carrier has reached the 2nd level. That is a recipe for getting torched on play action- it looks like its poor safety play but really isnt, its a reaction to what they have been used to seeing.

It was just an example of how the whole year went. I guess you're used to bad safety play. I expect much better from pro's . There are numerous safeties in the league , who wouldn't have made us look that bad.
Unfortunately they are playing for other teams.
I understand the D-line injuries. I don't understand the poor safety play ,that I have witnessed.

 

[leomaz]

One game? Cmon. Body of work is more telling. 161 rush yards/game that was good for a distant last in the league. That tells me exactly where the core problem is. When a team cant stop the run, the secondary, especially the safeties are going to get caught out of position. They react to what theyre used to seeing- coming up in run support when the ball carrier has reached the 2nd level. That is a recipe for getting torched on play action- it looks like its poor safety play but really isnt, its a reaction to what they have been used to seeing.

Only one person isn't going to agree with you. Sadly our d-line with all the injuries were the worst part of the team and it just snowballed from there.