smith requests trade

[gkekoa]

so you pay smith but not payne ? a choice then which is ok

Absolutely. Payne is not a pro-bowler but Smith is. Payne also had a huge run-in with Allen.

 

[deanpet21]

Before the draft many people on this board insisted we couldn’t pay Payne before anyone as drafted .

I maintained we could

Now banking on Mathis to give us Payne play and health is a risky move especially since he has not taken a meaningful snap as a pro

Getting Smith is worth the risk. You would turn that trade down straight up?

 

[Breed]

So you pay smith money you say you don’t have for Payne ? I mean that’s the reason we can’t keep Payne right ? Because the fear mongerers say we can’t keep Payne sweat and chase , right ? But somehow we can pay smith ?

Or it could be that skinsdad62 is right and it isn’t about money , the money is there , but it’s a choice like I said all along

As I recall the argument was about paying Allen, Chase, Sweat and Payne all top tier dollar contracts.

 

[Breed]

By all accounts Roquan rings every bell you want a backer to ring. He's big, fast, and young. He can play the run, he can cover, he can rush the passer. He makes plays in all aspects of the game and he's tackling motor scooter.

He and Holcomb could make for a very dynamic duo for the next 5-7, maybe more seasons. The problem with trying to acquire Smith as I see it is. That would be an admission that drafting Jamin last year was a mistake. A fairly big mistake seeing how Jamin was a 1st rd pk.

 

[skinsdad62]

As I recall the argument was about paying Allen, Chase, Sweat and Payne all top tier dollar contracts.

the figures that were being put out there are excessive , but your statement is true for the sake of argument i believe allens contract came in 2 mill lower per year then the per year avg that was talked about originally

my point is why not use the 17 mil you would have to pay smith and keep payne ? its about the same money

i dont think its a money issue . we can keep them all . its a choice issue meaning they want to put the resources elsewhere by choice

that was my point

 

[skinsdad62]

Getting Smith is worth the risk. You would turn that trade down straight up?

not the point , the point is how can you cry poverty over payne but then say ok to smith at the same cost per year ?

now would i turn it down ? i would lose payne and holcomb and a 3rd pick but i gain a 2 x all pro linebacker and i would have a whole at DL , depth would take another hit

i would pass , i would trust holcomb at a position that is losing importance . we dont run 3 lbs much , last yr 61 snap total . i think you can resign holcomb for cheaper and i can draft help on defense

 

[deanpet21]

the figures that were being put out there are excessive , but your statement is true for the sake of argument i believe allens contract came in 2 mill lower per year then the per year avg that was talked about originally

my point is why not use the 17 mil you would have to pay smith and keep payne ? its about the same money

i dont think its a money issue . we can keep them all . its a choice issue meaning they want to put the resources elsewhere by choice

that was my point

B/c LB is the greater need that is why they would put money towards Smith. I think you need to read between the lines on why Mathis was drafted in the 2nd round. If Payne doesn't get traded he will leave via FA and we would possibly get a 3rd round pick compensation. Unless Payne puts up Arron Donald numbers I dnt think he stays here. You cant tie up that much money DT's. Payne will probably cost 17-19m next offeseason.

If its a even swap, I would do it.

 

[deanpet21]

not the point , the point is how can you cry poverty over payne but then say ok to smith at the same cost per year ?

now would i turn it down ? i would lose payne and holcomb and a 3rd pick but i gain a 2 x all pro linebacker and i would have a whole at DL , depth would take another hit

i would pass , i would trust holcomb at a position that is losing importance . we dont run 3 lbs much , last yr 61 snap total . i think you can resign holcomb for cheaper and i can draft help on defense

Of course you can resign Holcomb cheaper. I dont think the trade will cost Payne and a 3rd round pick.,

 

[skinsdad62]

B/c LB is the greater need that is why they would put money towards Smith. I think you need to read between the lines on why Mathis was drafted in the 2nd round. If Payne doesn't get traded he will leave via FA and we would possibly get a 3rd round pick compensation. Unless Payne puts up Arron Donald numbers I dnt think he stays here. You cant tie up that much money DT's. Payne will probably cost 17-19m next offeseason.

If its a even swap, I would do it.

i dont think LB is that big a need , its being phased out inn our system

 

[skinsdad62]

Of course you can resign Holcomb cheaper. I dont think the trade will cost Payne and a 3rd round pick.,

cant keep holcomb smith and davis for a 2 linebacker defense

 

[deanpet21]

i dont think LB is that big a need , its being phased out inn our system

True we are playing 5-2-4 or 4-2-5. But Smith is a difference maker. I think we will lose Payne anyways. IF it costs us Holcomb to get Smith you do it b/c its upgrades the team. I like Holcomb but he is not near the talent as Smith.

 

[skinsdad62]

True we are playing 5-2-4 or 4-2-5. But Smith is a difference maker. I think we will lose Payne anyways. IF it costs us Holcomb to get Smith you do it b/c its upgrades the team. I like Holcomb but he is not near the talent as Smith.

but according to cap naysayers we would be in jeopardy of losing chase or sweat

 

[deanpet21]

but according to cap naysayers we would be in jeopardy of losing chase or sweat

With this trade we are talking about. I think we can keep Smith, Sweat, Fuller and Curl. Lose Holecomb, Jackson, and Payne.

 

[skinsdad62]

With this trade we are talking about. I think we can keep Smith, Sweat, Fuller and Curl. Lose Holecomb, Jackson, and Payne.

then we can keep payne like i said all along and its not a money issue like i was told but a choice issue

is smith really chase and a misprint

 

[deanpet21]

then we can keep payne like i said all along and its not a money issue like i was told but a choice issue

is smith really chase and a misprint

Im adding Smith with the trade. Chase is in year 2, not worrying about his contract now. Why do you want to apply big money to both DT's?

 

[skinsdad62]

Im adding Smith with the trade. Chase is in year 2, not worrying about his contract now. Why do you want to apply big money to both DT's?

because they are worth it, why do you want to apply big money to a dinosaur position

 

[deanpet21]

because they are worth it, why do you want to apply big money to a dinosaur position

b/c Smith is one of the best

 

[skinsdad62]

b/c Smith is one of the best

i get that but that means either davis or holcomb are back ups . we spent a 1st round pick for a back up ? holcomb is the better LB of the 2 right now

 

[skinsdad62]

and we now are weak at DT , the guys who keep pressure off the LBS

 

[deanpet21]

i get that but that means either davis or holcomb are back ups . we spent a 1st round pick for a back up ? holcomb is the better LB of the 2 right now

True but we get a game changer at LB . this is all speculation. No need to waste time on it.