skins/giants post game

[Darrell Green Fan]

No they gave David Amerson plenty of chances in multiple schemes and he sucked in all of them.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Back to the game I was just happy all game long that I was watching a big game after Thanksgiving. It's been 3 years but it seems much longer.

Thrilled to beat the Giants. I am not even close to being over that cap penalty and we know who was behind it. Fuck Mara and fuck the Giants.

We all knew at the start of the half that it would get close. As Cali said nothing you could do on the Beckham catch, I had to applaud that one. But the run game was able to grind out just enough first downs to give Eli no time. And yes Kerrigan gets a game ball for sure.

What a great win. I usually let go of the Redskins results in an hoiur or so but this one stayed with me all evening.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I guess we have our answer on which highly paid WR we should retain if it comes to one or the other. Jordan Reed is such a frustrating player to root for. He fucks up something every week, yesterday he had 4 of them when you count allowing a defender to run right past him for a big loss on top of the 3 crucial penalties. If he could ever figure out how to play this game he could really be something.

 

[j_y19]

Reed is an enigma for me. He is undeniably a very good receiving TE. But between his injury history and bonehead killer mental mistakes, he trades off his good plays for his bad plays. Honestly, I'd be looking in the draft for his eventual replacement.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

It is mind boggling that a player in his 3rd year does not understand that you can't block downfield until the catch is made. He does this stuff every single game, it's got to drive the coaches crazy. You can't have mistakes like this every single game.

 

[deanpet21]

We signed Paul to a long term contract and gave up a 5th round pick for Carrier. Cmon jy19, TE is not on the list of draft needs. I am frustrated with Reed too but if Carrier doesn't get hurt Reed is not even out there on those screen and run plays. Reed is only a receiving TE. Paul and Carrier can block and catch. TE is actually a strength for our team going into the off season.

 

[j_y19]

We signed Paul to a long term contract and gave up a 5th round pick for Carrier. Cmon jy19, TE is not on the list of draft needs. I am frustrated with Reed too but if Carrier doesn't get hurt Reed is not even out there on those screen and run plays. Reed is only a receiving TE. Paul and Carrier can block and catch. TE is actually a strength for our team going into the off season.

Did you read what I posted? If not, you might want to read it.

We do not have a good blocking TE on this roster. Carrier has missed as many blocks as Reed. Paul is not a great Blocker, either. Reed is a great Receiver, but a liability in all other aspects of the position. If we have a chance to draft a good all around TE, I wouldn't hesitate to take him if he is the BPA when it's our turn.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes I read your post. We only keep 3 TE's on the roster. Paul and Carrier can be good blockers. You are not going to waste a draft pick just to get a blocking TE. With your logic that would mean Carrier or Paul would be cut next year. No way that happens. The only way that would make sense is if we draft a blocking TE in the 7th round and stash him on the practice squad. But as we all know the practice squad is never safe.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yes I read your post. We only keep 3 TE's on the roster. Paul and Carrier can be good blockers. You are not going to waste a draft pick just to get a blocking TE. With your logic that would mean Carrier or Paul would be cut next year. No way that happens. The only way that would make sense is if we draft a blocking TE in the 7th round and stash him on the practice squad. But as we all know the practice squad is never safe.

IF we arent carrying 3 QBs on the active roster, we can carry 4 TEs. We have done this before. My thinking is, you need 4. 2 receiving TE's, a blocking TE, and an all purpose TE who does both well, but neither to the extent of being too one sided. Now i would love to have a Gronk type TE on the roster... but those are few and far between.

 

[deanpet21]

Plus jy you said "draft Reed's eventual replacement". Replacement? No way Reed is leaving our team. He is young and one of the best receiving TE's in the league.

 

[j_y19]

Dude, carrier is a trash heap player and is not that great of a blocker nor that great of a receiver. He is easily replaceable. Paul is weak at blocking, but has gotten better. He is a lite version of Reed, without the mental mistakes. Since you read my first post, you obviously saw that I would be looking for a player that is the eventual replacement for Reed. TE is not a strength on this team.

I would be looking for is an all around player, which is what you really need from that position. Bringing in receiving only TEs tips the defense off as to the play. I could care less about the round we draft him in, but If you have a chance to draft an impact player at TE who is well rounded, you don't pass him up.

 

[deanpet21]

You are wrong on Carrier. He is very serviceable in blocking and receiving. He had the huge drop vs NE but he is a fine backup TE. No way SM gives up a 5th for him if he doesn't see potential. The reason why Paul got his contract extension is b/c of his improved blocking skills. The Te's in the draft who are ranked high are all receiving TE's. There are very few Gronks and Wittens out there. TE is a strength on this team when Paul comes back. When draft time comes DE(hatcher is cut), ILB, S, C, RB( if Morris leaves), and possibly WR( if Garcon is cut) are all needs going into the draft. Besides OG, TE is the deepest position on this team with Paul healthy.

 

[j_y19]

You are wrong on Carrier. He is very serviceable in blocking and receiving. He had the huge drop vs NE but he is a fine backup TE. No way SM gives up a 5th for him if he doesn't see potential. The reason why Paul got his contract extension is b/c of his improved blocking skills. The Te's in the draft who are ranked high are all receiving TE's. There are very few Gronks and Wittens out there. TE is a strength on this team when Paul comes back. When draft time comes DE(hatcher is cut), ILB, S, C, RB( if Morris leaves), and possibly WR( if Garcon is cut) are all needs going into the draft. Besides OG, TE is the deepest position on this team with Paul healthy.

We gave up a 5th for carrier because we were desperate. We were going into the regular season with one TE on the active roster and he has never played a full season. We had to have a backup. Paul is on this team because he can catch and play special teams. He has become an adequate blocker, but will never be much better. We can do better than both of these guys. You continue to miss the point. If we have specialists at TE (some are blockers, some are receivers) we are tipping off our plays to the defense. We need a TE that can be a 3 down TE. Hell, if carrier is so good, why must we bring in an OT to play TE when we are running the ball. Tell me that the LBs don't salivate when they see this. They are pretty damn sure that Compton isn't going out for a pass, so they play the run aggressively. Now if Reed could block and we could keep him in there in these situations, the LBs have to hesitate and read the play before committing. Think that would help the running game?

 

[deanpet21]

Yes I agree if Reed could block everything would be beautiful. But for your scenario to pan out that would mean Carrier would have to be cut in the off season and I just don't see that happening. We were in a bind at TE. We could of just signed McCoy at the time and not give up a 5th round draft pick. You don't give up draft picks for stop gap players. Carrier is young(25) and can develop. Gruden admitted in his PC that when Carrier went out it took a lot of plays away from his playbook. That means they have high hopes for him and he is involved in the weekly gameplans.

Bottom line is that we disagree on Carrier. I believe he will be on our team next year.

 

[j_y19]

Yes I agree if Reed could block everything would be beautiful. But for your scenario to pan out that would mean Carrier would have to be cut in the off season and I just don't see that happening. We were in a bind at TE. We could of just signed McCoy at the time and not give up a 5th round draft pick. You don't give up draft picks for stop gap players. Carrier is young(25) and can develop. Gruden admitted in his PC that when Carrier went out it took a lot of plays away from his playbook. That means they have high hopes for him and he is involved in the weekly gameplans.

Bottom line is that we disagree on Carrier. I believe he will be on our team next year.

He may be. Never said he wouldn't. All I said is that Reed is a liability between his blocking and injuries and not sure we can rely on him. Consequently I would look for his eventual replacement and if an all around TE is our BPA when one of our picks comes up, take him. Never said what round or even that it's mandatory we take one (Dont reach) Actually a pretty innocuous statement that you took exception with.

BTW, Reed had 98 yds receiving yesterday. Pretty damn good. Unfortunately, between his penalties and missed blocks, he gave up around that many yds. We had a couple of big gainers called back due to his penalties.

 

[deanpet21]

What your asking for a all around TE would be a high pick in the draft. If you want a guy like Gronk or Whitten you are going to have to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick to get him. Yes you did say that. If you want to add a TE then someone has to go. Reed and Paul are not leaving so it has to be Carrier. Every player has faults.

Even if a guy like Gronk is there when we pick in the 1st round we pass on him b/c there are other greater needs. You are saying TE is a need on this team and I disagree with you. That is what I took exception with.

 

[gkekoa]

I agree with Jay on Carrier.

Gronk was a second rounder...Witten a third rounder...

Good all around TEs are developed. You can pick one up anywhere in the draft. That is why you go BPA and develop your team.

 

[Sharkinva]

An all star TE is usually a byproduct of a WR corp that is lacking in ability and play makers. Whitten made his bonz when Dallas HAD no other passing options. Gronk, and alot of your other all pro TEs came from offenses that didnt really have overly productive WR groups.

 

[skinsdad62]

if there is a game changer at TE in this draft you have to look at him

but with reed paul carrier we are in decent shape

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Say what you want about Cooley but he knows tight end play even if he does have an agenda to try to get signed. He said what I've been thinking for a while. Just because a guy is big and plays tight end does not mean he is a good blocking tight end. This team has struggled all year with the run game and a lot of it is on the tight end. There is no body of work that Carrier is a good blocker. There is plenty of film that shows that Paul, a converted tight end, is not a good blocker at all. And of course Jordan Reed, like Paul only better, is a receiving tight end who can't block either.