Should NFL Give Patriots $7,500,000 Relief ??

[Midnightangel]

No.

It's true the Pats cut him for reasons that had nothing to do with football - but they made a bad decision in resigning him.

At the time it made all the sense in the world....

That being said, they knew that Hernandez had some risk to him when they signed him. Yes?

In 2007 he got into a bar fight after refusing to pay his bill, and punched a guy in the head, rupturing his ear drum.

He failed a drug test in college.

This was enough to cause the Pats to structure his rookie contract so that he could receive more money, but only if he towed the line.

I'm not saying the Pats knew he was a full blown thug but there were some warning signs there.

Bottom line: The Pats made the decision to resign this guy to a huge contract and it burned them. It's a gamble and it could happen to any team out there. It's part of the risk you take.

 

[BF4L]

Interesting debate here.

My view is they should get relief as should any team when a player goes full mental. DUI, PED's, Drugs whatever. If the team cuts the player and has a solid reason for it such as the aforementioned the team should get relief. Then again the NFL salary cap is so easily manipulated and it wont effect the Pats in the endeavor to get any player they want.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Interesting debate here.

My view is they should get relief as should any team when a player goes full mental. DUI, PED's, Drugs whatever. If the team cuts the player and has a solid reason for it such as the aforementioned the team should get relief. Then again the NFL salary cap is so easily manipulated and it wont effect the Pats in the endeavor to get any player they want.

I think there has to be some line and IMO that line is incarceration. DUIs fine the hell out of them and put them on waivers if you want, PEDs I may agree with seeing as it is widely known that shit aint right.

 

[NEhomer]

Oh yeah, I'm sure if it were the Cowboys looking for $7.5 million in relief, you'd be all for it. I'm guessing you wanted the Yankees cleared of the ARod deal too?

Yes, I would for any team.

Sorry, I don't follow baseball, did A Rod off somebody and go to prison?

I just don't see this huge floodgate you all seem to fear.

 

[Midnightangel]

Maybe, in the future, the CBA should give teams the right to waive someone's salary if said person is charged with a felony?

 

[BigKen]

The Hernandez case is a very specific issue that doesn't open any floodgates or cans of worms. Liberal minds see this as a means to force another door open. The issue is specific to a specific case. An NFL player has been accused of murder and is jailed without bail. Because of the circumstance, the Patriots, with the blessing of the NFL, cut him. The last thing the NFL wants is a player on an active roster who's incarcerated for murder. Now the Patriots are saying, he's not on our roster, we're not paying him, give us some relief because we did the league (and ourselves) a favor by dumping him.

Once anyone starts comparing this to DUI or OUI or PEDs, it starts to become a very slippery slope. First, DUI is a choice to operate a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The NFL has a transportation system in effect in every NFL city. If a player has been drinking and needs a ride, all he has to do is call either the team or the NFL or the Transportation group and he'll be picked up. Getting a DUi is a totally stupid act. Any player who gets a DUI should be suspended for a year and dock a year's salary. The team should be able to use that salary to pay a p-layer to replace him. A second offense should be life time ban from the sport. I don't want to hear the liberal bullshit about it being a disease that a person can't control........I know, I haven't had a drink since 12/31/1969.

PEDs.....This is even easier. Every player knows that the NFL tests for drugs. They are given the list of PEDs and drugs that are banned in the NFL. If they get a prescription from a licensed physician for a banned substance (atterol) then they must report it immediately (before filling the scrip) to the league. If a player gets caught, it should be one year like DUI and a second offense is a lifetime ban. NO exceptions.

In cases where a team has no option but to cut a player like Hernandez, it shouldn't be an issue to give the team cap relief. If it can't be given for this type of situation, it should never be given for any situation, regardless.

 

[JDM]

Maybe, in the future, the CBA should give teams the right to waive someone's salary if said person is charged with a felony?

There are already rules in place regarding incarceration, and forfeiture of the signing bonus already contractually comes into play. Read the topic to see the specifics of how that applies to this case.

 

[NEhomer]

Well our boy's in the news again. Cripes.

Sheriff: Hernandez involved in prison altercation | FOX Sports on MSN

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Well our boy's in the news again. Cripes.

Sheriff: Hernandez involved in prison altercation | FOX Sports on MSN

Not our boy anymore. I don't even think he should be referred to as "former" Patriot.

 

[NEhomer]

Man, what a fall huh?

From millions to prison gruel.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Man, what a fall huh?

From millions to prison gruel.

He should have realized he had been blessed and lived a life that reflected his appreciation for it.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Let him rot.

 

[NEhomer]

Yup,

Fucker might have cost us a run at the Superbowl too!

 

[Midnightangel]

Man, what a fall huh?

From millions to prison gruel.

He had it all...

Millions of dollars, wife and kid, on a team with Tom Brady (Kind of a big deal if you catch the ball for a living)..who knows....maybe a career ending in the HoF.

Threw it all away to be a thug.

What a moron.

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

Outsider Perspective on Hernandez Cap Relief

Lets review a couple of things here first:

If a player earns a contract that is 5 years and pays him a total of $20 Million, he counts $4 million per year against the cap, right?


Answer: If it were only that simple.


Teams with heavy payloads learned quickly that the best way to combat the Salary Cap was to circumvent it. They did this by back loading contracts, pushing all of the big money to the end of the contract. Over the years, new rules were instituted to keep this practice in check, including placing a limit on the number of years in which a signing bonus can be prorated and capping the base salary increase from uncapped years to capped years. For example, the "30% Rule" governs veteran contracts that are entered into in a capped year and extend into the final year of the CBA. The rule states that these contracts cannot have an annual increase of more than 30% of the salary, excluding amounts treated as a signing bonus, provided for in the FINAL CAPPED YEAR.

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Okay...this helps the team in the first few years of the contract, but what happens in the later years when the salary begins to escalate?

Answer: The team can do one of two things.


They can either outright release the player (to avoid having to pay his salary all together) or they can renegotiate a more "cap friendly" contract.

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Hold on. You said the team could release the player BEFORE the big money kicks in. Are you telling me that the contracts are NOT guaranteed?

Answer: That's right. The team is not obligated to fork over the money for remaining years of the contract if they cut the player.

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If that is true, why would any player be willing to sign such a back-loaded contract if they will most likely never see the big money at the end of the contract?

Answer: Ah. That is where signing bonuses come into play.


In order to convince the player to sign such a cap-friendly contract, the team will fork over a large signing bonus. The signing bonus is guaranteed, so that money is the player's to keep if the team decides to release him later. Also, the team can specifically designate portions of the contract as "guaranteed".
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That's cheating! How can you have a real salary cap if all you have to do is give a player a signing bonus to get around it?

Answer: Now we come to the tricky part. The signing bonus IS part of the player's salary. So it counts against the cap. When determining team and player salary, the signing bonus will be prorated over the length of the contract.


For example, if a player signs a four-year deal with a $1 million signing bonus, $250,000 of that bonus will count toward team salary for each contract year ($1 million divided evenly over the four-year contract is $250,000 per year). If a team releases a player, the unamoratized bonus money (the remaining prorated bonus money) counts immediately against the cap.


In our example above, if the player is released after Year 1, the remaining $750,000 (the prorated signing bonus money for years 2-4) counts against the cap in Year 2 -- even though the player is no longer on the team's roster.


The proration of the signing bonus cannot extend beyond two years after the close of the existing CBA.


An expression that was thrown about repeatedly during the various labor meetings is "cash over cap". Well, these signing bonuses are what insiders were talking about, when they brought up that term. One of the things that held up negotiations amongst the owners with the last CBA extension (both back in 2006 and in 2011) was the move to place some kind of cap on the amount of signing bonus money that could be pushed into future years for cap accounting purposes. Although there was no cap on signing bonuses, there was a limit put in place that signing bonuses could only be prorated for up to five (5) years. With the latest CBA, that five-year figure remains unchanged.

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

So why would anyone think you guys deserve more cap room, when using the bonus you were taking advantage of the salary cap in 2012. How do you make up for that room in 2012 that you saved?

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Geee Wally did you really need a separate thread for this? LMAO

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

Geee Wally did you really need a separate thread for this? LMAO

Did your ass really fall off when you typed this?

Do you also roll on the floor laughing some times? Or laugh out loud as opposed to laughing silently?

 

[fordman84]

Geee Wally did you really need a separate thread for this? LMAO

well, when an outsider tries to jump into the current thread, they get called out for it and chastised by some. At least he is making it clear, and not hijacking the other thread, that he is an outsider.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

well, when an outsider tries to jump into the current thread, they get called out for it and chastised by some. At least he is making it clear, and not hijacking the other thread, that he is an outsider.

How the hell could he hijack the other thread when the context of the conversation is exactly the same. Point is this post could have been and should have been included, if anything creating a separate thread for an ongoing conversation in a preexisting thread is deserving of chastising.