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Flames increasing security at the Saddledome due to the recent events in Quebec and Ottawa:

Calgary Sports & Entertainment Corporation extends deepest sympathy to all those affected by the tragic events most recently in Quebec and Ottawa.

Relative to our security, our organization convened an executive session immediately to review our security processes. We are in contact with Calgary Police Services on an ongoing basis, including today, regarding security measures, protocol and procedures. Our patrons are aware that we have recently enhanced security measures including magnetometers (metal detectors), bag checks and surveillance.

We are issuing an advisory to our patrons that security measures may take more time and fans are encouraged to come early and to leave bags, back packs, brief cases at home (travel light). The safety and security of our patrons is always our top priority.

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Ahhh... some of those pictures on the last few pages were impossible not to well up at...

I get Nov 11th off and I'm thinking of heading down to the war memorial for the annual remembrance day ceremony. I'm sure it will be a special one this year.
 

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Prayers for the family of the slain soldier and prayers of thanksgiving for the Sargent-at-arms who stopped the murderer.

And to all I ask we stop calling these animals terrorists, which in their sick minds is a good thing, and call them what they are...filthy, vile, murderers.
 

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I don't like the label "Lone Wolf."

To these animals, that sounds sexy as hell.
 

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Oh boy

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Royal Canadian Legion is encouraging people to wear the poppy now, not to wait for official campaign launch next week.
 

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well this hits close to home ...drive by that mosque every day to work

I applaud that mosque for not allowing this type to attend their place of worship BUT I sure hope they did more than just send him on his way ... the RCMP Burnaby detachment is a 3 minute walk from that mosque

if muslims dont want to be singled out and stereotyped unfairly as a religion of murder, they are going to have to do their part and put their foot down and stamp out these radicals from existing on the fringes of their religion








Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the Ottawa gunman killed yesterday on Parliament Hill, had a connection to the Burnaby mosque on Canada Way.

The slain shooter, a 32-year-old Canadian, moved to B.C. from Eastern Canada and began showing up at the Burnaby mosque about three years ago but was asked not to come back.

Mufti Aasim Rashid is the spokesperson for the B.C. Muslim Association, which runs the Burnaby mosque. Rashid told the NOWthey had a scant description of Zehaf-Bibeau and that he drifted in and out of the Burnaby mosque for a few months in 2011.

“He was asked to leave the mosque, because he had gotten a hold of keys and stuff from the mosque, and when he got out of jail, he just started sleeping there,” Rashid said. “They discovered him one day. He would come late at night and leave early in the morning, before people came. And when they discovered him, they changed all the locks and asked him not to come back. That was like a year ago. We do not have any confirmations of him visiting that mosque after that.”

Representatives with the Burnaby mosque also met with Zehaf-Bibeau, after he complained about some of the programs.

“They had a sit-down with him when he was sort of complaining about the way the mosque was running. At that mosque, they have a lot of interfaith programs and community programs. He had a problem with that. He said, ‘Why are you allowing non-Muslims into the mosque?’ So the chairman sat him down and said, ‘Look, our mosque has always been very open, and we plan on staying that way. Either you respect the way we are running it in an inclusive way, or it’s probably better you go somewhere else.’"

Rashid also said people were uncomfortable around Zehaf-Bibeau because he had a rude demeanor. He also said it appeared Zehaf-Bibeau was “radicalized” through the Internet, and not through any local connections.

“If this guy was radicalized, it happened through online activities, as opposed to community interaction with people, especially in a place like Burnaby,” Rashid said. “That mosque is so open and welcoming, it would almost be therapeutic for someone with a radical mindset. I don’t see any people, based on what we know, any community links or people that would have helped him develop such a mindset.”

According to the Globe and Mail, Zehaf-Bibeau was also friends with Dave Bathurst, one of the operators of Bathurst Irrigation, a company located in Burnaby’s Forest Grove area. Bathurst told the Globe he met Zehaf-Bibeau at the Burnaby mosque about three years ago, and while he didn’t seem violent or extremist, he did seem to have a disturbing side and wanted to travel to Libya. (Authorities seized Zehaf-Bibeau’s passport recently.) The Globe also reported that Bathurst saw Zehaf-Bibeau praying at the mosque six weeks ago. (When the NOW asked Rashid about this, he was surprised and said he couldn’t confirm any recent sightings.)

The NOW contacted Bathurst Irrigation, but calls were not returned by deadline.
 

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if muslims dont want to be singled out and stereotyped unfairly as a religion of murder, they are going to have to do their part and put their foot down and stamp out these radicals from existing on the fringes of their religion

This is the biggest thing to me. These nutjobs aren't quiet about their beliefs. If someone in a mosque hears another member talking about ISIS or AQ or any other extremist organization in anything other than a wholly condemning light, they have the moral and legal duty to alert authorities. After the Quebec incident, someone who prayed at the same mosque as the killer did an interview (blacked out and voice altered) on CBC saying he had heard the guy talking about ISIS a lot in recent weeks, condoning their campaign and sympathizing with their message. THAT SHIT IS NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE! Get your ass to a police station and do your civic fucking duty. With instances like that, I feel very, very little sympathy for the Muslim community at large when they claim the rest of us see them all as one common enemy. Rat out your bad seeds, and your reputation will fucking glow. Until then, you are no better than them.
 

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well this hits close to home ...drive by that mosque every day to work

I applaud that mosque for not allowing this type to attend their place of worship BUT I sure hope they did more than just send him on his way ... the RCMP Burnaby detachment is a 3 minute walk from that mosque

if muslims dont want to be singled out and stereotyped unfairly as a religion of murder, they are going to have to do their part and put their foot down and stamp out these radicals from existing on the fringes of their religion

If only there was an easy answer. The issue is that the types that are giving the rest a bad name are off on their own anyway. 99% of the mosques (or churches, synagogues and temples for that matter) on earth do not condone or support the violence and hate. So the more extreme and violent ones go off on their own. There is a long history of new "sects" starting up because they don't like a rule or aspect of their old one.

In Christianity, it's the Westboro Baptist church. I can't imagine many other churches that claim to follow Christian doctrine really allowing any of those fuckwads in.

The challenge is actually finding the ones where these crazies go. And that means investigating each one. And that whole "freedom of religion" thing really makes that hard. Which is what the extremists are counting on. For them: Worst case, they are allowed to carry on unchecked. Best case, literal Holy War.
 

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This is the biggest thing to me. These nutjobs aren't quiet about their beliefs. If someone in a mosque hears another member talking about ISIS or AQ or any other extremist organization in anything other than a wholly condemning light, they have the moral and legal duty to alert authorities. After the Quebec incident, someone who prayed at the same mosque as the killer did an interview (blacked out and voice altered) on CBC saying he had heard the guy talking about ISIS a lot in recent weeks, condoning their campaign and sympathizing with their message. THAT SHIT IS NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE! Get your ass to a police station and do your civic fucking duty. With instances like that, I feel very, very little sympathy for the Muslim community at large when they claim the rest of us see them all as one common enemy. Rat out your bad seeds, and your reputation will fucking glow. Until then, you are no better than them.

I agree that anyone who heard the talk has a responsibility to report, but I also see why they wouldn't. I don't know what it's like up there, but down here there is already so much blind hatred and misunderstanding that I am sure there is a lot of trepidation to speak up because any backlash will not fall on just the one "bad apple".

All it takes is one news story about "ISIS discussions at local mosque" and it'll be a hunting party. It would be great if we were truly on equal footing and the people who are facing repercussions for the acts of people who only loosely are associated could have the freedom to stand up.

I mean, if I was at church and heard someone talking about blowing up an abortion clinic, you'd be damn sure I'd be on the phone with my friends in Homeland Security. But I don't have to worry about that story being the reason my church gets firebombed either.
 

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I agree that anyone who heard the talk has a responsibility to report, but I also see why they wouldn't. I don't know what it's like up there, but down here there is already so much blind hatred and misunderstanding that I am sure there is a lot of trepidation to speak up because any backlash will not fall on just the one "bad apple".

All it takes is one news story about "ISIS discussions at local mosque" and it'll be a hunting party. It would be great if we were truly on equal footing and the people who are facing repercussions for the acts of people who only loosely are associated could have the freedom to stand up.

I mean, if I was at church and heard someone talking about blowing up an abortion clinic, you'd be damn sure I'd be on the phone with my friends in Homeland Security. But I don't have to worry about that story being the reason my church gets firebombed either.

like i bolded in my original post ... this mosque has interfaith programs ... its in a cramped tract of land but they have a front lawn/garden and it has never looked uninviting to me ... seen plenty of different looking "faces" congregating there

I like to think the majority of canadians are a tad more accepting of different immigrant groups and faiths and understand that acts of 1 should taint 99

I dont think they would face backlash if they had reported this person and it got out
 

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I agree that anyone who heard the talk has a responsibility to report, but I also see why they wouldn't. I don't know what it's like up there, but down here there is already so much blind hatred and misunderstanding that I am sure there is a lot of trepidation to speak up because any backlash will not fall on just the one "bad apple".

All it takes is one news story about "ISIS discussions at local mosque" and it'll be a hunting party. It would be great if we were truly on equal footing and the people who are facing repercussions for the acts of people who only loosely are associated could have the freedom to stand up.

I mean, if I was at church and heard someone talking about blowing up an abortion clinic, you'd be damn sure I'd be on the phone with my friends in Homeland Security. But I don't have to worry about that story being the reason my church gets firebombed either.

I think people would pass off much more respect to the community if they know someone within it reported what they heard.

On the other hand, I wonder if those who report what they hear would be ostracised by their religious community? Perhaps that is dissuading them moreso than anything.
 

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like i bolded in my original post ... this mosque has interfaith programs ... its in a cramped tract of land but they have a front lawn/garden and it has never looked uninviting to me ... seen plenty of different looking "faces" congregating there

I like to think the majority of canadians are a tad more accepting of different immigrant groups and faiths and understand that acts of 1 should taint 99

I dont think they would face backlash if they had reported this person and it got out

Nor do I. I think most people are cognizant of the fact that for every two people a terrorist has killed in Canada over the past 10 years, there have been 1000 murders perpetrated by gang members and crazy hicks. Rooting this shit out requires different approaches to the same strategy, and co-operation from within the community is absolutely vital. If we don't have that from the Muslim community, we don't have a chance.
 

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Man, they kicked him out for sleeping there? That's rough if he was a guy in need. But, that's not completely relevant here. I feel for these people because I'm quite certain they're kicking themselves for not saying anything. And in this specific situation, would anything have changed? The man's passport was revoked to prevent him from going to Syria, right? The government was aware and took appropriate steps, but there are some things that we simply can't prevent. I feel like authorities couldn't have held him in custody merely because someone reported that he was discussing ISIS. As a person of faith I look to respect those of other faiths (although I admit, as a woman I'd never choose such a faith), and I know how frustrated I feel when people attack Christianity through the lense of Westboro Baptist...so I can't imagine my faith being attacked relentlessly. Just another moment I have to be thankful that I live where I do, because it's the other way around in much of the world.
 
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