Seattle Mariners 2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[NWinAZ]

Tot

Fair enough. I do stand by my point that if needed, finding a good reliever is a lot easier than finding a good SP or position player.

Totally agree it is easier. But you can't find if you don't look and apparently we are done looking. So bizarre.

 

[ulmax]

The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.....parts cuz..it is long​

Day after day, day after day,
We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship
Upon a painted ocean.

​

Water, water, every where,
And all the boards did shrink;
Water, water, every where,
Nor any drop to drink.

The very deep did rot: Oh Christ!
That ever this should be!
Yea, slimy things did crawl with legs
Upon the slimy sea.[3]



He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all.[3]

 

[ulmax]

roster.....solution...

1 wong...2B..L/L..
2 rodrogez......CF
3 france.....1B..
4 hernandez....RF/DH.

5 santander.......LF/DH/RF..

9 kelenic...LF....L/L
6 suarez............3b
7..raliegh......catch
8..crawford....ss...L/L


10 murphie..catch..
11.moore....inf /out
12..haggerty....outfield
13 vavra....infield./.lf...DH...L/L..

if you say...they will..have..a DH.....that is a qeustion...there..are not enough....starters...one more

 

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if you say..trammell will do it im ok with that..or marlowe....

hhhhaaa....yeah right...johnny....



hhhhhaaaa......ulmmmax

 

[ulmax]

ulmax......

what ya doing there...johnny...

seems im hanging..upside down.......

ulmax......

im..a..put...yoin the chippper.........

aaaaaaaahhhhhh...

pooff puuff...choke...pow.....

ulmax...huh...no gas...ill be right back..

 

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[wazzu31]

He can't blame ownership for 2 reasons...1) They pay his salary
2) If he bad mouths the ownership no other team will think of hiring if he's a free agent GM.

If this is his own doing then he gets 1 year for this team to make a serious run in the playoffs. Meaning get to the ALCS cause anything short when just a few pieces was needed is a fireable offense.

He doesn’t have to openly throw ownership under the bus. Just keep using the word we.

I don’t think that is necessarily true that Jerry couldn’t get another job. He was toxic and was a really really bad GM when the Mariners hired him.

But issue if ownership isn’t willing to spend money on FA I highly doubt they are going fire all of the decision makers for baseball now with Hollander being the new GM and Jerry as baseball president or whatever his official title. Cause that is a shit load of money they’d have to pay to fire then plus hiring an entire new crew.

 

[wazzu31]

Fair enough. I do stand by my point that if needed, finding a good reliever is a lot easier than finding a good SP or position player.

Being a Mariners fan it is 100% it is easier finding relief pitching. Since TMobile opened Mariners have found scrub pitchers who turned out to be good and have moved SP prospects to the bullpen and they have become great.

 

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Juaron Watts-Brown

RHP

Oklahoma State

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20

6' 3" / 190 lbs

R

R

my #1

my #2..

Alonzo Tredwell

RHP

UCLA

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20

6' 8" / 230 lbs

L

R

 

[SeattleCoug]

He can't blame ownership for 2 reasons...1) They pay his salary
2) If he bad mouths the ownership no other team will think of hiring if he's a free agent GM.

If this is his own doing then he gets 1 year for this team to make a serious run in the playoffs. Meaning get to the ALCS cause anything short when just a few pieces was needed is a fireable offense.

I totally agree that he cannot openly say anything about ownership nor would I expect him too.

My issue with Jerry is he says alot of stuff that he doesnt need to like this.



If you are gonna say something like that it should be backed up and it clearly hasnt. Now we are being fed bs about the 2026 payroll.

Too often Jerry just throws a bunch of word salads out and they just end up being checks that arent cashed.

Again just say nothing or less if this is gonna be the end results. I'd prefer just dumb cliches at this point.

 

[ulmax]

mitch jebb...ss...michigan state..would be..my #3..guy....

but there are 2LHp..that i like here...

holton hollan...6-5..lhp...arkansas

118

LHP

Hunter Owen​

Vanderbilt

108

2B

Charles McAdoo​

San Jose State

173OF

Rylan Charles​

UNLV
have to take him earlyer..

167OF

Jack Cunningham​

Charlotte

 

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if you think...rotation...future..

then...

gilbert..

118

LHP

Hunter Owen​

Vanderbilt

strike out pitcher
kerby...
holton hollan...6-5..lhp...arkansas...control..pitcher

hancock/ miller

then a couple..LHp...could be important

 

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alonzo treadwell...has a control...of 60....that is above and beyond most..

Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 60 | Overall: 50

Tredwell was an exciting junior at Mater Dei High School in California in 2020 when he needed Tommy John surgery in January, forcing him out of action for that season and the summer showcase circuit. He went on to UCLA and took over the closer’s role for the Bruins as a freshman in '22, finishing with a 2.11 ERA and .195 batting average against. An expected move into UCLA’s weekend rotation as a Draft-eligible sophomore in '23 has scouts in SoCal excited to see what he can do this coming spring.
Though he’s 6-foot-8, Tredwell’s strike-throwing ability really stands out, as the freshman All-American walked just 1.1 per nine in 2022. He has plenty of stuff to fill up the zone with. While his fastball averaged around 91 mph last year, he was 92-94 for much of the fall, touching as high as 96; if those velocity gains are real, he could reach a different level Draft-stock wise. He backs his heater up with an 80-mph slider that misses a ton of bats and could be a plus pitch in time, a slower average curve and a changeup that’s an above-average offering as well.
Tredwell is a good athlete on the mound, which helps him repeat his smooth delivery well and fill up the zone with all four pitches. If there is indeed more in the tank -- and he shows it as a starter this spring -- Tredwell could make a big leap up toward the better college arms in the class.
Last Prospect
71 T.J. Nichols
Next Pro...

if he has a good year...he could end up..in the 1st round

 

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a guy..like treadwell..could..maybe be up to the rotation...by 2026....
or
hunter owen...vanderbuilt
or..
huter hollin...arkansas

 

[seahawksfan234]

Tbh I don't know why he doesn't just blame ownership for not allowing him to spend more. Not like they're going to fire him for that.

If the decision comes from him not to spend and the money is available, that's just strategically reprehensible.

I know I'm responding to my own post here, but I read this in The Athletic mailbag and honestly if the money is there this is the only explanation:

Regardless of whether you think the front office has done enough to improve the team or not, it’s remarkable and astounding that Nori Aoki remains the most expensive free-agent hitter they’ve signed (under Jerry Dipoto). Do you think it comes down to park/travel factors in getting hitters to sign here? We know they’ve tried, but clearly don’t place the same value on that particular area of the market, as it’s a huge outlier on their résumés. I’m aware it’s a balance between trades and free agents, but in my opinion it’s gotten to the point of holding us back, as evidenced the last two years. — Jonathan K.

It’s a good question, Jonathan. It is remarkable they haven’t done more in terms of free-agent hitters — and even just on mid-range deals in terms of years and dollars. We know they have their preferred means of doing business. I get that. But you’re right: You’re eliminating a segment of players by doing this. Maybe it’s not wanting to get stuck with long-term contracts? I think some hitters look at Seattle (and the park factors their agents present to them) and cringe. T-Mobile Park was third in 2022 in park factors in terms of the toughest place to score runs. Maybe some of these players aren’t interested in flying more miles than any other team in baseball. Tons of variables to consider here. Maybe the Mariners been told “no” so much that they’ve shifted more to the trade market.

When you look at it through this lens, I guess it might make a bit more sense why we haven't been able to land any one year deals for vets/players looking to reclaim their value. But the fact that Seattle was never even rumored to be connected to any of those guys is concerning.

 

[wazzu31]

I totally agree that he cannot openly say anything about ownership nor would I expect him too.

My issue with Jerry is he says alot of stuff that he doesnt need to like this.
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If you are gonna say something like that it should be backed up and it clearly hasnt. Now we are being fed bs about the 2026 payroll.

Too often Jerry just throws a bunch of word salads out and they just end up being checks that arent cashed.

Again just say nothing or less if this is gonna be the end results. I'd prefer just dumb cliches at this point.

To add to that though is when Jerry was recently asked about this off-season it was essentially we just spent half a billion dollars. He designed the entire organization for last offseason being able to open the checkbook, but with that he has gotten Ray and resigned two guys. I know he doesn’t care but Jerry will have serious egg on his face if Wong and Kelenic aren’t all star caliber this year.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Being a Mariners fan it is 100% it is easier finding relief pitching. Since TMobile opened Mariners have found scrub pitchers who turned out to be good and have moved SP prospects to the bullpen and they have become great.

For all of my frustration with our inability to find and/or develop hitters, we do have to give the organization a lot of credit for how well they've scouted/developed both starting pitchers and bullpen arms. As much as I don't want to give Dipoto credit for that, they've done a great job at it and I don't think it's entirely due to pitching in T-Mobile park.

Random but am I the only one who still calls T-Mobile Park "Safeco Field" and Lumen Field "Qwest Field"? I guess this must just be me starting to get old.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Tot

Totally agree it is easier. But you can't find if you don't look and apparently we are done looking. So bizarre.

As @wazzu31 pointed out, for whatever odd reason we've been able to find scrubs and get strong performances out of them. I think that's why I'm not as concerned about the bullpen going into 2023.