scenarios for a cousins trade

[skinsdad62]

Why the Redskins should trade Kirk Cousins Part II | Fanspeak Washington Redskins Blog

what do you guys think of this ?

 

[deanpet21]

If offered a 2nd AND 4th round pick you have to do it no matter what team it is. I think that is a huge price to pay for Cousins in a deep QB draft class. If this organization is all in on RG3 then you have to take a 2nd and 4th. On the flip side if only offered a 3rd round pick for Cousins I would just keep him b/c a quality backup QB is not worth giving up for only a 3rd round pick.

 

[j_y19]

I pretty much agree with Dean. If we get a 2nd, 4th and anything else, you have to do it. If all we can get is a 3rd or worse, I'd keep him. Insurance is worth that.

 

[skinz2winz]

Cousins is worth nothing to us on the bench. Having said that, if we keep him through his original contract, again, he is worth nothing to us. If we franchise him after his rookie contract, we have paid too much for a bench player or insurance player. Get as much for Cousins as you can and move on. I believe Cousins will net us at least a possible 3rd rounder but nothing higher. I also think Cousins could land us a potential impact player on either side of the ball. We could use an ILB or even a #1 WR.

 

[skinsdad62]

no less then a 3rd for him

 

[martinez]

he wont resign

 

[skinz2winz]

he wont resign

Heck no he won't resign. Would you in his shoes? Right now may be the time to trade him. Wait until the off season and his value as well as offers start to decline.

 

[j_y19]

right now meaning next offseason, right? Cause the trade deadline is over with for this season.

 

[skinsdad62]

Heck no he won't resign. Would you in his shoes? Right now may be the time to trade him. Wait until the off season and his value as well as offers start to decline.

who knows what will happen in 2 years ? RG3 could have a career ending injury and KC stays .

all these young qb coming out in the draft could dry up the market

the skins could pay him a premium BU price and KC decides money talks

right now he has 1 start, some play in atl. game , ravens game , seahawk game and a couple of series this year doesnt mean he can be annointed anything

he has more career INTS the TDS .

frank reich was a very good career BU . KC could be that , we dont KNow yet

the odds are he could go . it isnt etched in stone that he does

 

[ATL96Steeler]

From an NFL fan prospective

Proven to be reliable, inexpensive, young back up QB...hard to find, but imo a 2nd round pick alone imo is enough to pull the trigger in a strong QB class.

I think WAS needs the pick more than a backup QB that's probably only going to get 60 snaps a year.

 

[Sharkinva]

Outside the lines here, but any body else starting to think that this would be a non issue had we simply taken Tannehill at six and not burned the extra three draft picks?? At 3-7 "The Trade" is starting to smell a little.

IM just saying.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Outside the lines here, but any body else starting to think that this would be a non issue had we simply taken Tannehill at six and not burned the extra three draft picks?? At 3-7 "The Trade" is starting to smell a little.

IM just saying.

It's easy at 3-7 to 'start thinking' quite a few things.... But we have to remember it is JUST the second year, after a major injury, with other phases of the game also having sub par performances. And it is DC, the town everybody likes to overhype, whether its good or bad. It isnt just Griff. And it certainly isn't all on him. It's a function of the overblown expectations of QBs sometimes in this league. And skins over the top expectations of our QB in year 2, after an injury. Too much praise and too much blame. Not saying he hasn't played his part. You focus.the spotlight on yourself in a media market like this, and you invite the criticism when you don't shine. Hopefully he becomes wiser as he matures.

There is no 'smell', imo, to the trade unless, god forbid, there is another injury or we see no ultimate improvement from play in Griff down the road.


Griff has been 'wildly' inconsistent and played very badly (particularly Denver and Philly) in some games this year. But we can't forget games like Chicago and San Diego, when we saw many good things from him.

Again, too much praise and too much blame. Time will tell.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cali.... I think its a bit more simple than that. We gave up in effect enough draft picks for four starters to get him. In light of that there is no middle ground on the trade. If he doesnt bring at least two Lombardi's to DC, the trade was bad. Year two from a guy we traded heavily to get, I did expect a little more.

 

[deanpet21]

I think we already won the trade b/c RG3 gave us a division championship in his first year. The Rams are nowhere near a playoff contender never mind a division contender. If we sat there and took Tanneyhill at #6 we wouldn't of have made the playoffs and I think we are not any better off.

If you want to see who had gotten the better deal just keep track of how many playoff appearances the teams make. So far its Skins one and the Rams zero. The NFC East is going to be the worst division in the conference for awhile. I just cant see how the Rams compete in the NFC West over the next 5 years. In 5 years I believe the Redskins will have more playoff births then the Rams.

 

[gkekoa]

RG3 has the potential to be a game-changer. Tannehill doesn't from what I've seen.

 

[Sharkinva]

Seriously if three extra draft picks only buys you a division title, and is followed up by last place in the division.... Sorry not buying it.

Or to put it another way.... had we taken Tannehill we probably would not have won the division last year. But we would be no worse off than we are right now. And dont be shocked if Miami is in the hunt for atleast a wild card when we are trying to evaluate for next year.

As i stated, if we dont get at the least two Lombardis with him as the QB, the trade will have to be considered a complete and utter failure.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Cali.... I think its a bit more simple than that. We gave up in effect enough draft picks for four starters to get him. In light of that there is no middle ground on the trade. If he doesnt bring at least two Lombardi's to DC, the trade was bad. Year two from a guy we traded heavily to get, I did expect a little more.

I think WAS got a good QB...the price was very high, so you had to know there would be some repercussion from it with the lost picks...just my opinion but just because the guy is fast doesn't mean he needs to be running the read option...the NFL has already seen 4.3 @ QB...let the guy develop as a passer...as a runner, I think would take care of itself.

I get you on the SBs but if RG3 is a one contract QB b/c he got beat up...that would make the trade really bad imo.

 

[Sharkinva]

I think WAS got a good QB...the price was very high, so you had to know there would be some repercussion from it with the lost picks...just my opinion but just because the guy is fast doesn't mean he needs to be running the read option...the NFL has already seen 4.3 @ QB...let the guy develop as a passer...as a runner, I think would take care of itself.

I get you on the SBs but if RG3 is a one contract QB b/c he got beat up...that would make the trade really bad imo.

ATL... the reason why IM starting to think the trade was a mistake is simple cost on return. Even if Tannehill only ever becomes average, the pick didnt set the team back three years. Based on cost to get him, RG3 has got to bring atleast what Eli helped the Giants get (two titles) to make the trade even worth while. And we gave up alot more than NY did for Eli. Right now he is barely out performing Tannehill. And he appears to be regressing in accuracy and decision making. Its just hard to justify the cost of getting him if this level of play continues.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

ATL... the reason why IM starting to think the trade was a mistake is simple cost on return. Even if Tannehill only ever becomes average, the pick didnt set the team back three years. Based on cost to get him, RG3 has got to bring atleast what Eli helped the Giants get (two titles) to make the trade even worth while. And we gave up alot more than NY did for Eli. Right now he is barely out performing Tannehill. And he appears to be regressing in accuracy and decision making. Its just hard to justify the cost of getting him if this level of play continues.

I completely get where you are coming from and IF all you mention comes to pass, then you will be correct. It still remains a big IF, as of now. I'm just reminding you of mitigating factors, injury, cap penalties, STs and D being way poorer this year. Also Griff has NOT been terrible all year, at this point he has only been inconsistent, like the rest of the team.

One further point and the one I feel most strongly about:

History has proven to us, that having a mediocre QB has earned the skins nothing for over 20 years. We don't have a Gibbs to get us to the dance with one. With the emphasis on offense, current day, it is even MORE important to have a better than average QB. It's still too early, IMO, to consider Griff a bust, that's all.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cali... i will just counter by saying this.

History has proven that every big flashy move this team has made turned out to be a mistake. And usually a very costly mistake. We are locked into Griffin for the forseeable future. So we can only hope he turns out to be well above average, because if not.... this has bust written all over it.