Saban & Bielema behind the kill uptempo offense rule

[RegentDenali]

When you're dominating the sport, you want to keep it that way. Saban (and Beliema, because he's a slow it down kind of guy) have a vested interest in slowing down offenses. I don't see anything wrong with someone protecting his own, if you will.

But I do think everyone should see it for what it is, rather than a "protection" issue, which is ludicrous.

Then do it with your teams, not by actually changing the rules of the game. If Saban and Beilema want their Ds to do better against uptempo teams, then get your Ds to train for it. For christsake, the guy over signs every year so he can have 5 star guys as backups and third stringers. Like they can't learn and train to deal with teams that run up tempo offenses?

When you try to change the rule book to gain an easy advantage, that's when your ego is so bloated, you believe your're bigger than the game itself.

 

[BamaTee1]

Plus there aren't any Arky fans defending the rule that has a lot to do with it.

That's because it's Alabama and Saban being attacked and, like I mentioned earlier, anyone is going to defend their coach! Even Auburn fans! What came first the chicken or the egg? What happened first? The criticism of just Bama and Saban or "only Bama fans defending him". For the record there have been others. It's like defending a family member, as long as they are winning. Another point, how many Arky fans are around posting now anywhere?

 

[BamaTee1]

Definition of troll? This thread and all who do nothing but dog your team, your coach and when you defend them, they give you a thumbs down. They don't debate the rule with good solid points. They just personally attack the team and coach. They either make up their own facts or exaggerate the facts and do it over and over and over and...party on!

 

[potzer25]

The rule proposal - in a non-rule change year! - being slipped in under false pretenses (player safety!?) is being attacked. And rightly so! Nick and Brett have both publicly complained about uptempo play and they were at the rules committee meeting. This is a cowardly way to get the rules changed in their favor. The list of coaches that have publicly stated the new rule is stupid far outweighs those advocating for it.

Definition of troll? This thread and all who do nothing but dog your team, your coach and when you defend them, they give you a thumbs down. They don't debate the rule with good solid points. They just personally attack the team and coach. They either make up their own facts or exaggerate the facts and do it over and over and over and...party on!

Because you don't make any solid points.

 

[BamaTee1]

Sports boards are loaded with a ton of testosterone where the majority of posters want to go along with the majority (popular) and look "internet tough!" They find a thread like this and wouldn't have the balls to tell something different if they really felt a different way. You see it when music is being discussed all the time. Where a poster wouldn't acknowledge liking a certain song or band because it isn't the popular choice. That's why you see what looks like a major majority in here through a select 5 to 8 posters who dominate every thread anyway not even come close to representing what the entire football world thinks. Now in this case I would agree the majority is probably against it but wouldn't voice it the way it has been here. They would discuss the issue not attack the team, coach and fans!

 

[romeo212000]

Everybody's against my team, and my coach! That's the only reason they could possibly be opposed to this rule. They're all jealous. Whaaaaaaaa!

 

[BamaTee1]

The rule proposal - in a non-rule change year! - being slipped in under false pretenses (player safety!?) is being attacked. And rightly so! Nick and Brett have both publicly complained about uptempo play and they were at the rules committee meeting. This is a cowardly way to get the rules changed in their favor. The list of coaches that have publicly stated the new rule is stupid far outweighs those advocating for it.


Because you don't make any solid points.

That's because those are the coaches the rules would impact and sell newspapers, drive ratings, etc. Below are reasons I listed earlier for Romeo. Keep in mind there are still plenty of defensive fans in the college football world! If Auburn hadn't run this pussy offense itself a few times over the past few years you would be on this side of the discussion (not really much of a discussion in here/more of an attack). Like it or not they are legitimate, I also am including a link to how this shit included Saban to begin with. The majority of people, and that includes you, don't even know the truth to the process this issue has taken with him! It was after a win over Ole Miss and he was asked what he thought about it. Here's what he said. I think the committee might want to look at this one day. I wonder if it's good for player safety. I don't know. I'm not a doctor but they probably should take a closer look and decide if this is the direction they want the game headed and safety concerns for the player. Every bit of that is an intelligent comment with legitimate points! He didn't continue to campaign a bit, only answering very quickly and generically when asked. Now he's doctor evil ,which he was anyway, and that is because he dominates! Here's my reasons for the rule change:

players safety (more plays have to mean more injuries-common sense)

scores have increased significantly over the years with the offensive changes**

**see above statement-Not everyone is an offensive fan. There are fans of good defense!(You know the old saying, For the good of the game!

Defenses being able to substitute would help with all the above.

Defenders exert multiple times the energy an offensive player exerts! Do you really think the scores have gone up as drastically as they have because of HUNH? It hasn't been around that long or many teams running it that long to parallel the spike in scoring! Scores have gone up because of all the rule changes that helps the offense AND the HUNH which prevents subbing! They run their ass off do what I just mentioned and are asked to do it immediately again over and over without being able to sub. That sounds fair!

CBS' Danielson Backs Saban's Comments About Hurry-Up Offenses "100%" - MrSEC.com | SEC Football News | SEC Basketball News | SEC Football Recruiting | SEC Basketball Recruiting

 

[BamaTee1]

Everybody's against my team, and my coach! That's the only reason they could possibly be opposed to this rule. They're all jealous. Whaaaaaaaa!

You asked me for reasons earlier and I answered over and over, not to your satisfaction but that's your problem. Now give me reasons it shouldn't be looked at? All I've read is boohoo Nicky Saban is scared of the HUNH and has to change the rules so he can continue to win. Seriously? That's all they got? Those aren't the facts at all but it's been turned and twisted. Do people really think he won't win whether the stupid changes take place or not? I haven't seen a legitimate reason they shouldn't. Like he isn't going to win anyway and people need to look a little closer to those few loses, It had as much to do with great execution than the offense itself. You're an OU fan. Tell me Romeo, you seen TK even come close to playing that great in his career, Have you seen your receivers consistently make catches when getting jacked and holding on? You were a poor 3rd down team but started out 5 for 5 against Bama and they were great plays to pick those first downs up! Did you like Heupel's play calling for the first time this year? It goes both ways!

 

[potzer25]

That's because those are the coaches the rules would impact and sell newspapers, drive ratings, etc. Below are reasons I listed earlier for Romeo. Keep in mind there are still plenty of defensive fans in the college football world! If Auburn hadn't run this pussy offense itself a few times over the past few years you would be on this side of the discussion (not really much of a discussion in here/more of an attack). Like it or not they are legitimate, I also am including a link to how this shit included Saban to begin with. The majority of people, and that includes you, don't even know the truth to the process this issue has taken with him! It was after a win over Ole Miss and he was asked what he thought about it. Here's what he said. I think the committee might want to look at this one day. I wonder if it's good for player safety. I don't know. I'm not a doctor but they probably should take a closer look and decide if this is the direction they want the game headed and safety concerns for the player. Every bit of that is an intelligent comment with legitimate points! He didn't continue to campaign a bit, only answering very quickly and generically when asked. Now he's doctor evil ,which he was anyway, and that is because he dominates! Here's my reasons for the rule change:

players safety (more plays have to mean more injuries-common sense)

scores have increased significantly over the years with the offensive changes**

**see above statement-Not everyone is an offensive fan. There are fans of good defense!(You know the old saying, For the good of the game!

Defenses being able to substitute would help with all the above.

Defenders exert multiple times the energy an offensive player exerts! Do you really think the scores have gone up as drastically as they have because of HUNH? It hasn't been around that long or many teams running it that long to parallel the spike in scoring! Scores have gone up because of all the rule changes that helps the offense AND the HUNH which prevents subbing! They run their ass off do what I just mentioned and are asked to do it immediately again over and over without being able to sub. That sounds fair!

CBS' Danielson Backs Saban's Comments About Hurry-Up Offenses "100%" - MrSEC.com | SEC Football News | SEC Basketball News | SEC Football Recruiting | SEC Basketball Recruiting

You linked to an article specifically stating that Saban has TRIED TO PUSH FOR RULE CHANGES but wasn't able to get it done.

Eventually, something will change and a new fad will take the current fad’s place. Danielson said that he’s asked defensive-minded coaches like Saban and Florida’s Will Muschamp why they don’t push for rule changes, but the coaches told him their pleas have — to date — fallen on deaf ears.

The trouble with legislating up-tempo attacks out of the game is that it would likely a) stretch television windows by slowing down games (which the networks wouldn’t want) and b) open up officials for more scrutiny and more claims of bias, cheating, etc. If, for example, an official stands over the ball long enough to allow a defense more time to substitute, fans/media will be watching on a play-by-play basis for any sign of an official waiting a second longer or a second less than usual.

And the last thing football needs is more people claiming via Twitter, messageboards and YouTube that Team X is being aided by the officials from Conference Y. There’s enough of that as it is.

So now he is going to the rules committee to get the change put in place for deceptive reasons. He is - quite literally - trying to change the rules to favor his style of play and artificially stopping the progress of football strategy because he can't adapt:

But, it also happens to be a natural evolution of the game. At one time the Notre Dame box and single-wing offenses were all about deception and sleight of hand tricks with the football. Then came wishbone attacks. Then run-and-shoot style offenses. Now the many variations of the spread — some with option, some based on speed, some focused on passing — are all the rage.

It even discusses that pro football is heading this direction as well.

You have done more to confirm that Saban is looking like dinosaur that can't adapt than anyone else in this thread.

 

[BamaTee1]

You linked to an article specifically stating that Saban has TRIED TO PUSH FOR RULE CHANGES but wasn't able to get it done.



So now he is going to the rules committee to get the change put in place for deceptive reasons. He is - quite literally - trying to change the rules to favor his style of play and artificially stopping the progress of football strategy because he can't adapt:


It even discusses that pro football is heading this direction as well.

You have done more to confirm that Saban is looking like dinosaur that can't adapt than anyone else in this thread.

I swear you have an intellect problem. You had to attended Auburn University! There is no question! That is nothing but a matter or interpretation and it wasn't quoted either! You just take one little element and can solve the entire case Sherlock Holmes. Damn they should call you in on all the cold cases and you can just go to town! You just have everything figured out. :rollseyes:

 

[BamaTee1]

You ever heard the legal term hearsay? The only two things I've even seen presented in this entire thread about this issue are both hearsay arguments! Other than that it's been all personal insults toward Saban! All these great debaters or, better yet, should I say masturbaters!

 

[BamaTee1]

As for your NFL comment about that's where it's headed, we shall see, but as of now, the officials are going to make Chip Kelly and these offenses adjust to the officials speed not run like college officials are asked to do:

Refs might force Chip Kelly of Philadelphia Eagles to slow down - ESPN

 

[potzer25]

See. Even the NFL gets it. How's that hole you are digging feel? Like it so far?

NFL rules also state that a defense must be allowed to make substitutions if the offense substitutes its own players, no matter how quickly the offense makes its changes. Blandino told The Journal that the referee will stand over the ball to ensure that it is not snapped before the defense is set.

 

[BamaTee1]

See. Even the NFL gets it. How's that hole you are digging feel? Like it so far?

You're that guy that answers yes to the question Are you going to the party or the game? You make no sense! It's late so maybe it's the cocktails. Yea, that must be it, so I'll give you a pass this time!

 

[Brasky]

This thread clearly struck a nerve with butthurt Bama fans

 

[BusSport]

In other news, Saban calls for the banning of returns on unsuccessful field goal attempts. Vital PLAYER SAFETY issue: players could get injured on the return.

 

[charlie42s]

You're that guy that answers yes to the question Are you going to the party or the game? !

I enjoy answering 'Yes!' to improperly phrased questions like that.

Saban won't get the 10 second rule passed.

 

[charlie42s]

players safety (more plays have to mean more injuries-common sense)

It's really funny how you earlier made the argument that no one has posted data to refute your assertion that rested players get injured less, when you have yet to supply any data to support a rule change. It's a poor debate tactic, essentially "Prove me wrong" when you have yet to be proven correct.

Here's data from Page 1 of this thread posted by Codaxx which you ignored or didn't bother to read.

Top 20 ‘Fast’ Teams in FBS Football 2012
Average Plays per Game: 83.12
Total Starts Lost to Injury: 143
Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.15
Average Starts Lost per Play: .086​

Top 20 ‘Slow’ Teams in FBS Football 2012
Average Plays per Game: 65.85
Total Starts Lost to Injury: 151
Average Number of Starts Lost Per Team: 7.55
Average Starts Lost per Play: .115​

Speed Kills or Does Slow Get You Hurt? -

 

[BamaTee1]

This thread clearly struck a nerve with butthurt Bama fans

That might be the most overused ridiculous phrase on these boards. Every single person is going to defend their team or coach when being attacked so I guess we should just create a template button with that phrase and we can just push it when posting on a thread cutting down a particular coach and/or team! We certainly see it enough when a thread is attacking a team/coach. The good thing is Alabama and Saban is obvious the King of college football and so popular they get this kind of feedback!

Maybe I should start a thread about the asshole Bo Pelini and how pitiful Nebraska football has been for what now? About 12 years? The man just looks goofy. When was the last time they won anything? Nebraska fans shouldn't even be able to comment on Alabama! Are they still playing major college football, and btw, what conference are they even in now? Then I could sit back and see if Nebraska fans come and defend their program then hit my template button to all Husker fans posting that says "this sure struck a nerve with butthurt Cornhole fans!"

 

[BamaTee1]

It's really funny how you earlier made the argument that no one has posted data to refute your assertion that rested players get injured less, when you have yet to supply any data to support a rule change. It's a poor debate tactic, essentially "Prove me wrong" when you have yet to be proven correct.

Here's data from Page 1 of this thread posted by Codaxx which you ignored or didn't bother to read.

I'm an educated man and maybe you believe anything and everything someone goes out, copies and pastes, but I don't. It's pretty easy to change anything you copy/paste to fit your argument or paste something that is not backed by the relevant data.

Read this slowly and a few times so you might understand. There is absolutely NO WAY that more plays lead to less injuries over time! Do you understand that? Do you get it? Is it simple enough for you to comprehend? No way! No how! If you combine two seasons of data and compare the injuries to one season guess which season will have more injuries? You want to know why? Maybe just maybe there were more plays. Now in one given season it could be the other way but over time it wouldn't even be close so take your fellow shorthorn buddy Codaxx and shove the data. It's the most ridiculous evidence I've seen!