Saban & Bielema behind the kill uptempo offense rule

[Camfantasy]

Stanford and LSU would beg to differ

along with multiple other defenses

 

[Codaxx]

Correct, so the offense is the one who gets to dictate when subs can happen.

But the rule is there even when no substitution is attempted, so that is not the what's being regulated.

 

[KansasSooner]

You guys just keep teeing it up for me. Ever hear of the 4 corners offense in CBB? And, what exactly did the NCAA do in response to that wonderful offensive strategy? Yeah, that's right, created a frigging shot clock to keep it from being used. LOL.

I don't make the connection. The four corner offense was to slow down the game and keep the score low, the hurry up is to keep the defense honest and move the offense into scoring position quickly. The shot clock was put in to make teams shoot more baskets not stop them. Though OU actually scored more with Billy Tubbs and no shot clock than any coach since with the shot clock. Basically this rule would be more akin to basketball teams being allowed to have wholesale defensive substitutions after every made basket and then back to offense. Or maybe putting a 4th outfielder in the field when a slugger comes to the plate.

 

[Codaxx]

I don't make the connection. The four corner offense was to slow down the game and keep the score low, the hurry up is to keep the defense honest and move the offense into scoring position quickly. The shot clock was put in to make teams shoot more baskets not stop them. Though OU actually scored more with Billy Tubbs and no shot clock than any coach since with the shot clock. Basically this rule would be more akin to basketball teams being allowed to have wholesale defensive substitutions after every made basket and then back to offense. Or maybe putting a 4th outfielder in the field when a slugger comes to the plate.

More like boxing. Refs breaks them and action is set, but you can not throw a punch until the opponent puts up his hands. Or in hoops when ref starys the count on an in bounds, but instead you can not throw it in until every man in covered. Fact is once the ref places the ball and blows the whistle, play is live and the defense needs to understand that

 

[bocomo007]

This discussion has nothing to do with tempo. No team gets the ball off under normal circumstances in less than 10 seconds. Do you even realize that the 40 second play clock starts at the END of the previous play, not when the ball is set like when under the 25 second play clock?

so why do we need the rule?

 

[Codaxx]

so why do we need the rule?

You are the 4th or 5th guy to ask that.

 

[Camfantasy]

so why do we need the rule?

because it's not fairrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[KansasSooner]

Correct, so the offense is the one who gets to dictate when subs can happen.

You're wrong on that. The defense can sub at any time but must be allowed to sub if the offense does. What the hurry up does is force you to either sub quickly or play better defense with the men already on the field. And if your team plays really good defense they shouldn't need to sub every damn play.

 

[bocomo007]

per Sports Illustrated:



"Current rules dictate that defensive players are not guaranteed a chance to substitute unless the offense substitutes first."






Care to continue with your defense can substitute at any time theory?

that word is kinda important

you can sub if you're quick, but you get no guarantee

 

[4down20]

so why do we need the rule?

Because they would snap the ball if the defense wasn't in place, rather than getting a play from the sideline.

All the rule does is guarantee the defense can sub safely for 10 seconds.

 

[4down20]

You are the 4th or 5th guy to ask that.

And it's been answered every time.

 

[bocomo007]

Because they would snap the ball if there was no defense in place. The rule is a guarantee.

but you said no team snaps it that quickly

 

[4down20]

that word is kinda important

you can sub if you're quick, but you get no guarantee

So you can't sub at all without risking giving the other team a free TD.

How is that good football?

 

[4down20]

but you said no team snaps it that quickly

They can if they want, but they all go to the line then look at the sidelines for the next play etc.

 

[KansasSooner]

And it's been answered every time.

Quite wrongly though. Face it, Saban can't play defense against the hurry up because he's a situational guy only. Take that away and he fails.

 

[4down20]

You're wrong on that. The defense can sub at any time but must be allowed to sub if the offense does. What the hurry up does is force you to either sub quickly or play better defense with the men already on the field. And if your team plays really good defense they shouldn't need to sub every damn play.

Fine, then offenses should never be allowed to sub.

 

[4down20]

Quite wrongly though. Face it, Saban can't play defense against the hurry up because he's a situational guy only. Take that away and he fails.

If you want to believe that Oklahoma only won that game because they exploited a loophole in the 2008 rule that changed us to the 40 second playclock, then that's on you.

Personally I thought you just played better.

 

[Codaxx]

but you said no team snaps it that quickly

He doesnt realize he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one side the rule does not affect offenses, because they do not snap it within 10 seconds. The other side says rule needs to be there because offense can snap it inside of 10 seconds.

 

[4down20]

He doesnt realize he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one side the rule does not affect offenses, because they do not snap it within 10 seconds. The other side says rule needs to be there because offense can snap it inside of 10 seconds.

They don't snap it within 10 seconds often because the defense isn't substituting and are defending. If the defense isn't defending, then they would snap it.

Not that hard to understand.

 

[charlie42s]

Not even close. You are either too young to know about the four corners offense (which is fine, not being critical ... I wish I was that young), and/or definitely not an ACC hoops fan.

Actually it was Princeton I was thinking about and their version of the offense. Boring as hell.