Russell Wilson: The most overrated player in the NFL

[sonnyblack65]

Yeah, Brady no longer has the Tuck Rule.

Wilson was better in his first 2 years than Brady.

Still stings I see Raider fan. That was karma from a game Oakland hosed NE on in 70's

 

[WizardHawk]

Another example of Seahawk delusion. Total fantasy

Support that claim or continue to be called a troll and treated like you are a moron.

You won't. You can't.

A few Seahawk fans have an overinflated view of their QB. :shock:

Many outside of Seattle haven't watched enough (or just don't understand football) and have a seriously undervalued view of him. :shock:

Get over it kid.

 

[Otis B. Driftwood]

Still stings I see Raider fan. That was karma from a game Oakland hosed NE on in 70's

You mean to tell me you don't feel Ray Hamilton roughed Kenny Stabler, Sonny?


I'm shocked.

 

[cdumler7]

He isn't tom brady today, but it is fair to compare the two at the same point in time of their career. The stats alone may not be the whole story given the different era, but it does given enough to allow people to form an opinion.

You specifically question why some seattle fans get defensive about others opinions, but I see you and others always jumping on theirs. It's ok for both sides to differ and present their cases.

I only jump when it is comments like that of Peyton or Brady could not have taken this team to the playoffs. Now obviously I don't agree with the OP on this topic as I do think Russell Wilson has shown to be a very good quarterback in this league and will find great success for many years. I don't think he is top-5 and would probably put him somewhere in the 8-10 range. Now to me that is not an insult considering right now in this league we have 4 guys with HOF credentials playing. Hard to crack that top-5 at least for the next few years. I also notice as you pointed out that Wilson does have a few limitations because of his height but like you said he does have some things that he does very well. Wilson is probably one of the smarter quarterbacks already in the league and he shows that in playing within his ability and not trying to do too much. This is where a guy like Romo fails in he tries to do more than he can in a game and it leads to bad mistakes.

Again my main argument in this whole thing was with the Seahawk fan claiming Peyton or Brady couldn't have gone to the playoffs with this team. I can about guarantee Peyton and Brady would love to play on a team with one of the best defenses of the last 30 years and a RB like Lynch. Yes the OL was shaky and the WR's were not the greatest but both Brady and Manning have made a career out of making those kind of guys household names. They also would not run the same kind of offense that Seattle runs right now. When Manning came into Denver we were running a 2 TE set with a FB in the backfield. Now a majority of our snaps are out of 3-wide with just the RB in the backfield. My guess is he would have done something similar in Seattle to take advantage of his strengths and to help set up a few more mismatches where not so many guys are in the box. Manning and Brady also are not limited in they can do those quicker throws over the middle because they have a little more height and because teams fear them a little more and are willing to spread out. They don't have 8-man boxes very often. Heck the Broncos this last season had 6 or fewer in the box more than any other team. I bet Lynch would have loved seeing more of that. So again a guy like Brady or Manning changes up everything of how the offense is ran and what a player does. Throw in Manning and Brady both have told OL and RB's exactly who to block leading to no confusion of who has who on certain plays. They protect themselves more than any other quarterbacks in the league.

 

[broncosmitty]

The OP made blanket statements that Wilson is the most overrated player in the league and was factually carried and made to look better than he is by his defense. Your same argument about why stats are less than reliable also apply here.

I hold no punches back when people come on with these ridiculous flame bait threads.

You can point out to them that statistically Seattle has one of the bottom 3 offensive lines in pass blocking last season and all of these blind haters refuse to even look at it because it goes against their supposed 'facts'.

You can point out that you cannot pin even one loss in his two years as his fault and that too gets ignored. Just look at last season and their 3 losses. The colts game Wilson drove the field to take the lead late in the game on the road. The defense couldn't stop Luck from driving for the win. Against the 9'ers both defenses played well all day and it was Earl Thomas' blown coverage against Gore that allowed the eventual go ahead score. It was entirely on him and he admitted it. That last loss at home against zona they had again taken the lead and once again the defense couldn't hold them. It took one of the plays of the year by Arizona to get that last score.

It is far too simplistic to say Seattle only wins because of Lynch and their defense. It's a team sport and you really can't have weak links and win a superbowl.

Do I think he is a top 4 QB in the league right now? No, but somewhere between 5-7 isn't unreasonable. Any ranking by fans or experts is speculative and no more right than anyone else. This is why it is an opinion and not some form of blanket fact.

I even tried to show him how easy it is to troll up people with so-called facts that really aren't when I said RW had the best first two seasons in the history of the league. Kind of easy to make statements meant just to rile up people isn't it? If you want that in a more opinion based way you would say something more like statistically he had one of the best first two year stretches in league history. As we well know stats aren't everything and the game today is quite different than it was 20 years ago so using just stats to compare players from different eras is hardly valid. That's a reasonable approach to a topic.

You can agree with the overall opinion of the OP, but you can't support how it was delivered or the rhetoric that goes along with it. Nor can you support making claims of fact that have no supporting evidence. Simply saying something is obvious so it's true is never going to win the argument.

. I think the best argument for Wilson is the snippit about how you can't pin any losses on him. That's very rare. Wilson is a highly intelligent player. He's on the same page as his coaching staff. Trusts his teammates and knows his role. All of those things get my respect. And all are better for conversation than stats...........But..........the odds of me going on and on about it in this thread are slim to none. I want to read willy nilly defensive homer posts. I may have been trying to draw another one out of Podunk. Maybe. But in all honesty I think it's fair if someone puts Romo above Wilson. I put Rivers, Big Ben and the standard four above him, even though I've never been a fan in any way of Brady.

 

[sonnyblack65]

You mean to tell me you don't feel Ray Hamilton roughed Kenny Stabler, Sonny?


I'm shocked.

Great memory my friend. The days of Russ Francis and Dave Casper.

 

[Otis B. Driftwood]

Great memory my friend. The days of Russ Francis and Dave Casper.

Wonderful football games back then... wish NFLN would find those instead of stupid Top 100 lists.

 

[gandydancer]

At this point in time, Russell Wilson is the best QB in the league.

Please step away from the crack pipe

 

[sonnyblack65]

Wonderful football games back then... wish NFLN would find those instead of stupid Top 100 lists.

yep back when Men played the game instead of Primadonnas. The only way a guy a guy would come out of a game is when KO'd or paralyzed. Oh man another bad Oakland memory with Jack Tatum and my man Darryl

 

[Caliskinsfan]

yep back when Men played the game instead of Primadonnas. The only way a guy a guy would come out of a game is when KO'd or paralyzed. Oh man another bad Oakland memory with Jack Tatum and my man Darryl

Aaaaah, the good old days. I feel your pain

 

[The Oldtimer]

It's more about defending the flag for most hawks fans I think. Could be wrong. Most hawks fans I've seen are not arguing RW is top 5 in the league. Those that are, are blind homers IMO.

Yep, I couldn't agree with you more!! I live in Washington State and am a big Hawk fan, but I try to be realistic. IMO, Russell Wilson is not even in the top ten QBs, as of yet.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Aaaaah, the good old days. I feel your pain

I wish it was those days cause I'd be a hell of a lot younger. No worries , no wrinkles and no viagra j/k I dont have wrinkles yet

 

[sonnyblack65]

Yep, I couldn't agree with you more!! I live in Washington State and am a big Hawk fan, but I try to be realistic. IMO, Russell Wilson is not even in the top ten QBs, as of yet.

Oldtimer please dont take any offense, but do you mind throwing a shirt on please

 

[gowazzu02]

Found this article. Five wildly different QB disciplines: scrambling, passing efficiently, downfield ability, winnng games, staying alive in the playoffs.


Most wins first two seasons.
Wilson 24
Andrew Luck, 22
Ben Roethlisberger, 22
Dan Marino, 21
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco 20

Best Passer rating first two season
Dan Marino, 104.5
Wilson, 100.6
Roethlisberger, 98.3
Robert Griffin III, 91.5
Carson Palmer, 90.2


Best Average yards per pass attempt first two seasons (dispelling the game manager myth)

Ben Roethlisberger, 8.89
Kurt Warner, 8.61
Dan Marino, 8.48
Y.A. Tittle, 8.19
Wilson, 8.09


Most rushing yards first two seasons
Cam Newton, 1,447
Robert Griffin, 1,304
Michael Vick, 1,066
Wilson, 1,028
Vince Young, 947


Playoff starts first two seasons
Roethlisberger 6
Mark Sanchez 6
Joe Flacco 5
Wilson 5


Just throwing this out there. Also the big ben comparison is starting to come in focus. Big Ben and Little Russel, one in the same?

 

[The Oldtimer]

yep back when Men played the game instead of Primadonnas. The only way a guy a guy would come out of a game is when KO'd or paralyzed. Oh man another bad Oakland memory with Jack Tatum and my man Darryl

Don't forget Fred "The Hammer" Williamson, who played for the Chiefs and Raiders.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Oldtimer please dont take any offense, but do you mind throwing a shirt on please

SB, put your shades on, or better yet your blindfolds!!! LOL.

 

[pabartl787]

Yeah I gotta agree, Wilson is a tad overrated.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

At this point in time, Russell Wilson is the best QB in the league.

This is what epitomizes my perception of hawk fans. Even with all the out and out generosity for RW on here. I put him around 15-16.

 

[gandydancer]

Just wanted those stats out there as fact. Trent Dilfer Wilson is not. Nor is he Tony Romo. Romo does not win the NFC championship game last year. Remember how badly Seattle was outplayed the first half? Add in a few romo mistakes and SF would of been up 20.

Stating he wants to pass along facts, then ends off passing off a opinion as fact.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Found this article. Five wildly different QB disciplines: scrambling, passing efficiently, downfield ability, winnng games, staying alive in the playoffs.


Most wins first two seasons.
Wilson 24
Andrew Luck, 22
Ben Roethlisberger, 22
Dan Marino, 21
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco 20

Best Passer rating first two season
Dan Marino, 104.5
Wilson, 100.6
Roethlisberger, 98.3
Robert Griffin III, 91.5
Carson Palmer, 90.2


Best Average yards per pass attempt first two seasons (dispelling the game manager myth)

Ben Roethlisberger, 8.89
Kurt Warner, 8.61
Dan Marino, 8.48
Y.A. Tittle, 8.19
Wilson, 8.09


Most rushing yards first two seasons
Cam Newton, 1,447
Robert Griffin, 1,304
Michael Vick, 1,066
Wilson, 1,028
Vince Young, 947


Playoff starts first two seasons
Roethlisberger 6
Mark Sanchez 6
Joe Flacco 5
Wilson 5


Just throwing this out there. Also the big ben comparison is starting to come in focus. Big Ben and Little Russel, one in the same?

Good research my friend!!