Russell Wilson Should Still Win The Heisman

[BigAppleBadger]

Kellen Moore > Russell Wilson + Andrew Luck.

How can you tell?

Did you see Wilson's stats against UNLV? That's the level of competition Boise State faces almost every week.

 

[Nate]

How can you tell?

Did you see Wilson's stats against UNLV? That's the level of competition Boise State faces almost every week.

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I can tell by watching them play. Wilson is quite possibly the most overrated quarterback I have ever seen.

 

[WoodyHayes1951]

Not commenting on Wisky's bowl game until the matchup is announced.

They could be playing anyone from LSU to Cincinnati

 

[mm03]

I'm not sure how a leader that's already lost two games against the only quality opponents he's faced deserves a heisman.

 

[ACC_HOKIES]

I said this at the beginning of the year and it's still true. Russell Wilson doesn't win games in the fourth quarter. It's the same problem he had at NC State. He's statistically at his worst every year in the fourth quarter. It's why he won't win the Hiesman, and why Wisconsin, while a great team IMO, had no shot at going undefeated.

This year, in the fourth quarter / Overtime:

Russell Wilson: 13/24 (54%)--226 yards--TD/INT: 3/2
Andrew Luck: 35/43 (81%)--431 yards--TD/INT: 7/1

 

[Smart]

I said this at the beginning of the year and it's still true. Russell Wilson doesn't win games in the fourth quarter. It's the same problem he had at NC State. He's statistically at his worst every year in the fourth quarter. It's why he won't win the Hiesman, and why Wisconsin, while a great team IMO, had no shot at going undefeated.

This year, in the fourth quarter / Overtime:

Russell Wilson: 13/24 (54%)--226 yards--TD/INT: 3/2
Andrew Luck: 35/43 (81%)--431 yards--TD/INT: 7/1

You're really reaching, man. In the only fourth quarters that have actually been competitive (OSU and MSU), Wilson is 10/17 for 183 yards with 3 TDs and 1 interception. He also had a perfectly thrown ball that would have been an 80 yard TD dropped and two other drops. Two other incompletions were literally out of bounds throwaways when nobody was open. That leaves two legitimate incompletions compared to 3 TD passes, one dropped TD pass, and a long running TD. Russell has outplayed Luck in the fourth. You can nitpick statistics all you want, but you are dead wrong if you think Luck has outplayed Wilson in the fourth.

 

[Blackshirt]

If you want to talk about reaching, you're reaching for something Wisconsin related to talk about. Wilson doesn't deserve the Heisman, and he won't win the Heisman. He already lost two big games this year and while his numbers in some aspects may be better than Kellen Moore's or Andrew Lucks, They aren't anything to write home about because Kellen Moore's and Luck's numbers are just about the same with a more impressive team record.

We get it, you are rooting for your favorite teams QB. Now take your nonsense back to your Wisconsin board and discuss it over with the 3 other members who post there.

 

[UTVOLMTNMAN]

Stats alone don't win you games, or the Heisman.

 

[UTVOLMTNMAN]

If you want to talk about reaching, you're reaching for something Wisconsin related to talk about. Wilson doesn't deserve the Heisman, and he won't win the Heisman. He already lost two big games this year and while his numbers in some aspects may be better than Kellen Moore's or Andrew Lucks, They aren't anything to write home about because Kellen Moore's and Luck's numbers are just about the same with a more impressive team record.

We get it, you are rooting for your favorite teams QB. Now take your nonsense back to your Wisconsin board and discuss it over with the 3 other members who post there.

I'm going to go so far to say that...if we get another Nebraska/Wisky rematch...Wisky doesn't win this time.

Pelini made a few DUMB coaching decisions which allowed Wisky to look a lot better (Wilson as well)

I still think Wilson is in the Heisman running though...he's a good QB. I don't think he'll get the help elsewhere to win it. It's Luck's to lose right now. And let's face it, the Big 10 is garbage...I think Luck's body of work will look better.

 

[Smoke]

No.

 

[ACC_HOKIES]

You're really reaching, man. In the only fourth quarters that have actually been competitive (OSU and MSU), Wilson is 10/17 for 183 yards with 3 TDs and 1 interception. He also had a perfectly thrown ball that would have been an 80 yard TD dropped and two other drops. Two other incompletions were literally out of bounds throwaways when nobody was open. That leaves two legitimate incompletions compared to 3 TD passes, one dropped TD pass, and a long running TD. Russell has outplayed Luck in the fourth. You can nitpick statistics all you want, but you are dead wrong if you think Luck has outplayed Wilson in the fourth.

You are jumping to some conclusions here about what I posted.

Did Wilson lead his team to wins in those two competitve games? No. Ergo, he doesn't win games in fourth quarter.

Are his stats, even just for MSU and OSU, worse in the fourth quarter of games? Yes. Ergo, he's at his worst in the fourth quarter.

I don't quite understand when I nitpicked stats here. You posted statistics for the entire year, as did I. I stated Wilson plays at his worst in the fourth, and posted the appropriate statistics in the fourth quarter for the year. His listed stats are clearly worse in the fourth than his overall on the year. Even when you "nitpicked" down to two singular games, the results were the same. His career stats are the same as well.

Luck's stats were included for comparison, because that's who you were comparing him, not I. I never stated Luck was better, never stated that Luck outperformed anyone, and never even mentioned Luck in my commentary. I mearly supported my two points about Russell Wilson (stated clearly again above) while providing the supplemental data for Luck (again, that's who you compared him). You saw the data, and apparently came to that conclusion that Luck outplayed Wilson. Read the commentary in my post again, it's ALL about Russell Wilson.

I've watched Russell Wilson play for four years. He's continuously been at his worst in the fourth quarter and failed to win the vast majority of those fourth quarter games, with exception to his days against UNC. That is a fact. That trend has followed him to Wisconsin.

 

[haydav49]

10-2 and no bowl game?

Wilson should still finish in the top 3, but like an MVP award, the Heisman has become an award for the star player on the #1 or #2 team in the country.

If our defense didn't fold like a cheap tent in the last minute of play for the past two weeks, he'd be leading the field right now after bringing his team back from a 2 touchdown deficit on the road two weeks in a row.

No credit to the opposition? I guess the same can be said for them. If their D's hadn't "folded like a cheap tent", Wilson wouldn't have had a prayer in either game.

 

[ForkEmBucky]

With the exception of Tebow in 2007 all Heisman winners in the past decade have been in the National Title conversation.

Russell probably should make the trip to NYC but he won't win it because the team is 6-2 and will probably finish 10-2.

How optimistic of you. Our first year co-defensive coordinators, backup cornerback, and special teams would like to contend that they can surely lose at least one more game.

*grumble grumble*

 

[starbigd]

Russell won't be in the top 3. If all you want to do is look at stats, RG3 is better than every candidate out there.

Luck and Richardson are the frontrunners, by a mile at this point.

 

[vancelot23]

You're really reaching, man. In the only fourth quarters that have actually been competitive (OSU and MSU), Wilson is 10/17 for 183 yards with 3 TDs and 1 interception. He also had a perfectly thrown ball that would have been an 80 yard TD dropped and two other drops. Two other incompletions were literally out of bounds throwaways when nobody was open. That leaves two legitimate incompletions compared to 3 TD passes, one dropped TD pass, and a long running TD. Russell has outplayed Luck in the fourth. You can nitpick statistics all you want, but you are dead wrong if you think Luck has outplayed Wilson in the fourth.

No dog in this fight, but if you're going to tell him he shouldn't use stats in games that didn't matter, ie weren't close, then you should go take out the stats in your opening post that happened in games that weren't close either. You can't credit him for TDs and stats accumulated against crap teams if he can't use complete stats either.

 

[Smart]

Did Wilson lead his team to wins in those two competitve games? No. Ergo, he doesn't win games in fourth quarter.

He's continuously been at his worst in the fourth quarter and failed to win the vast majority of those fourth quarter games, with exception to his days against UNC. That is a fact. That trend has followed him to Wisconsin.

Your whole premise is that Wilson's play in the fourth has cost his team wins. I posted stats from his two losses and described the incompletions. The fact show that Wilson has accounted for more TDs (4) than bad throws (2) in the fourth in his losses. He also put his team in position for the win, and he never needed the refs to do it. Penalizing Russell (the guy who led his team to the lead against OSU and tied the game against MSU) for his secondary and special teams blowing games is a logical fallicy if the goal is to reward the best player.

Ergo, you are reaching.

 

[Smart]

No dog in this fight, but if you're going to tell him he shouldn't use stats in games that didn't matter, ie weren't close, then you should go take out the stats in your opening post that happened in games that weren't close either. You can't credit him for TDs and stats accumulated against crap teams if he can't use complete stats either.

Did you not see the part where I showed that Wilson had a better QB rating in his three big games than Luck did in his two?

Plus, the premise of the OP was that Wilson has been better overall, not that he is less of a choker. We have two different arguments going on.

 

[vancelot23]

I understand, but you're saying he shouldn't use all of the 4th qtr stats, because the only games that matter are the close games, yet you used stats he put up against weak teams to strengthen your argument on his numbers. Now, if you went back and only used stats against good teams, maybe your argument is still as strong, maybe not. I really don't know. Just pointing out that you can't tell him which stats to use, while using all of them yourself.

 

[ForkEmBucky]

I've never given much of a shit about the Heisman. Wilson deserves to be in some kind of conversation about the best player in college football right now, but the Heismann isn't really about that, and hasn't been for a long time. Never mind that Wilson handles play action, pump fakes, look offs, and audibles better than most pros.....what matters is that his team lost twice, and as a result, he is no longer high profile enough. It took Ron Dayne forever to win a Heisman, and if he hadn't broke the career rushing record his senior year, he probably still wouldn't have got it.

It's over man.

 

[Smart]

Vancelot: Russell Wilson had a 163.2 passer rating in his two close games. Andrew Luck had a 161 in his close game. Wilson faced the #7 and #17 ranked scoring defenses. Luck faced the #41 ranked scoring defense (this is inflated because of overtime, but so is Luck's QB Rating, so they even out). The "unclutch" Wilson scored 14 fourth quarter points to lead his team back from 14 andd 10 point defecits. Luck was outscored in the fourth 14-10. Seven of his points were from a bad call. Seven of his opponents points were from a pick six.

If this sounds one-sided, it is because it is.