rookie class so far

[Stymietee]

Doesn't change the answer. Why would he take a massive cut in pay and not control where he goes? Why would a team give up draft picks for what can be had in free agency?

He's not a free agent until 2017 so where he goes is out of his hands until then. Reworking a contract happens all of the time in the NFL and there are teams that would be willing to accept dead cap money in future years in exchange for the guy who helps take them to a title now......that is why I keep focusing on the Patriots. A guy like Garcon in Brady's last few years strenghtens them. Washington in the meantime WILL be getting bigger at the position. The only question is what sort of value is DC going to get if an effort is made not to just let him go into FA via his release.

 

[deanpet21]

The three big money cuts after the season will be RG3, Hatcher, and Garcon. The ONLY way Garcon stays here is if he takes a massive pay cut and spreads it out over multiple years. He wont do that. I have no problem in letting him leave. I think our main FA target should be Alshon Jeffery. Young, big, and talented. With the drafting of White the Bears might let him walk in FA unless they franchise him. The Bears could lose Forte and Jeffery. WOW!!

 

[deanpet21]

Plus with as many as 12 De/dt going in the 1st round of the draft we should get one of them. So releasing Hatcher and Golston being a FA it makes even more sense. Plus we don't know what's going to happen to Pot Roast. DE will be the #1 need going into offseason and can be solved by our 1st round draft pick.

 

[Stymietee]

The three big money cuts after the season will be RG3, Hatcher, and Garcon. The ONLY way Garcon stays here is if he takes a massive pay cut and spreads it out over multiple years. He wont do that. I have no problem in letting him leave. I think our main FA target should be Alshon Jeffery. Young, big, and talented. With the drafting of White the Bears might let him walk in FA unless they franchise him. The Bears could lose Forte and Jeffery. WOW!!

I'm with you Dean, but releasing Hatcher is gonna create some real dead money to do so. I really like the idea of going after Jeffery but Dan Snyder will have to use the deluxe checkbook in order to have room enough for all of the numbers and zeroes that it's gonna take to get him.

I also know that in today's game with a salary cap creative thinking is a necessity. GM's must think two or three years ahead when they work their plans. So having some notion as to who goes and who stays a year or two out gives them the added advantage of figuring out ways to maximize return on players that they otherwise would let go into FA and get zero return for them. BTW: If GM's aren't in constant contact with one another, I'll go ahead in climb into my coffin....'cause I'm done!!!

 

[deanpet21]

You are wrong about Hatcher. I remembered when we signed him. It was just for 2 years b/c of his age and we can get out of his contract in year three with minimal impact on the cap. . We are supposed to be 30 million under the cap this year. Their is plenty of room to sign a big time FA. Jeffery will be costly b/c of his age but I think he is worth it.

 

[gkekoa]

He's not a free agent until 2017 so where he goes is out of his hands until then. Reworking a contract happens all of the time in the NFL and there are teams that would be willing to accept dead cap money in future years in exchange for the guy who helps take them to a title now......that is why I keep focusing on the Patriots. A guy like Garcon in Brady's last few years strenghtens them. Washington in the meantime WILL be getting bigger at the position. The only question is what sort of value is DC going to get if an effort is made not to just let him go into FA via his release.

Actually, it isn't out of his hands. He either gets paid his insanely large salary or they cut him. If they cut him, he is placed on waivers where he would go unclaimed because nobody will pay him that contract. That would make him a free agent.

A team like the Patriots would never take a Garçon type contract and Garçon wouldn't do much for their team...if anything.

 

[gkekoa]

You are wrong about Hatcher. I remembered when we signed him. It was just for 2 years b/c of his age and we can get out of his contract in year three with minimal impact on the cap. . We are supposed to be 30 million under the cap this year. Their is plenty of room to sign a big time FA. Jeffery will be costly b/c of his age but I think he is worth it.

Hatcher's contract favorable for Redskins

This is Hatcher's contract explained.

I don't think they will go after more big names in FA.

 

[Breed]

Getting rid of your team's best DL player and a WR who knows he's not getting close to 10 mill from anyone so he will very likely renegotiate into a more reasonable and team friendly deal. Then turn around and make a big, sexy, splashy off-season signing of a WR no less.

Hatcher's contract favorable for Redskins

This is Hatcher's contract explained.

I don't think they will go after more big names in FA.

Looks like the Skins will be alright keeping Hatcher another year as well. And as he's their most effective DL, it might make sense to do just that.

Far as signing big name in FAs. I'm not 100% against it, but WR is the position I'd least like to see it happen.

I also think Garcon and the Skins come o an understanding as well and he'll be in BnG come 2016. If not though, I'm OK with that to.

 

[deanpet21]

I knew I was right about Hatcher. "But if Hatcher's effectiveness wanes after two years? The Redskins are OK if they want to cut him and get out of the deal". That is the quote from the article.

Hatch is not the teams best DL. Baker is having the best year out of all of them. Hatcher's knees are in bad shape and he is old. Breed, we are going to have a lot of money in FA this offseason. Why wouldn't you go after Jeffery if he is available?

 

[gkekoa]

I knew I was right about Hatcher. "But if Hatcher's effectiveness wanes after two years? The Redskins are OK if they want to cut him and get out of the deal". That is the quote from the article.

Hatch is not the teams best DL. Baker is having the best year out of all of them. Hatcher's knees are in bad shape and he is old. Breed, we are going to have a lot of money in FA this offseason. Why wouldn't you go after Jeffery if he is available?

Because WRs are not worth 15 mil/season.

List of importance in positional football...
QB
Pass rusher
LT
CB

 

[skinsdad62]

You are wrong about Hatcher. I remembered when we signed him. It was just for 2 years b/c of his age and we can get out of his contract in year three with minimal impact on the cap. . We are supposed to be 30 million under the cap this year. Their is plenty of room to sign a big time FA. Jeffery will be costly b/c of his age but I think he is worth it.

2016 salary 8.75 mil dead space 4.5 mil
2017 salary 9.75 mil dead space 2.2 mil

you keep hatcher till 17 based on dead space

 

[skinsdad62]

big name free agents have burned us over and over again

 

[Sportster 72]

2016 salary 8.75 mil dead space 4.5 mil
2017 salary 9.75 mil dead space 2.2 mil

you keep hatcher till 17 based on dead space

Yeah that is what I read too. Don't know where dean is getting $30 million from unless he is cutting guys that haven't been cut yet.

 

[deanpet21]

I'm referencing the tandlers article about our cap space for next year. I think its in another thread.

 

[Breed]

I knew I was right about Hatcher. "But if Hatcher's effectiveness wanes after two years? The Redskins are OK if they want to cut him and get out of the deal". That is the quote from the article.

Hatch is not the teams best DL. Baker is having the best year out of all of them. Hatcher's knees are in bad shape and he is old. Breed, we are going to have a lot of money in FA this offseason. Why wouldn't you go after Jeffery if he is available?

You may be right about Baker having the best year, conventional stat-wise, and it was believed he'd mostly be a back-up this year. That doesn't necessarily equate to him being the Skins best DL player, but I'm OK if I'm wrong and you're right so we can roll like that. W/O a doubt I'd call Baker the DL's most surprising player. Particularly since Paea was brought here and it was widely believed he would supplant Baker, but he hasn't or maybe he can't as of this moment. Baker's started 6 games and played in 11 games while Paea has one start and played in 10 games. Yeah, I know Hatcher's knees are bad. While Hatcher is listed as starting all 11 games this year. During the Skins/Giants telecast, Moose Johnston's partner made mention that Gruden has been giving him a lotta rest this year to help with the knee issue.

Conventional stat-wise
Baker has 19 solo tackles, 25 asst for 44 total, 5 sacks and he's forced 2 fum and recovered a fumble.
Paea has 11 solo tackles, 8 asst for 19 total, 2.5 sacks and forced 1 fumble.
Hatcher has 11 tackles 4 asst, 15 total and 1 sack.

According to PFF metric junkies and I thought you were a metric junkies yourself. Hatcher has been outstanding and Baker pretty damn good as well.

Pass Rushers Boosting Washington's Playoff Bid | PFF

Also like dad said, I think it best if Hatcher is kept till 17, if our major concerns about him revolve how hiws salary impacts the cap.

Concerning AJ,

This is Julio's contract, Julio Jones
This is Dez's contract, Dez Bryant

AJ is going to want something in line with those two I would imagine. He's younger, didn't get the pub either one of them received outta college so maybe he's butthurt over that. And even if he isn't butthurt over it, whether you or I agree or disagree with it. I'd bet dollars to donuts AJ and his agent see AJ in the same class as Dez and Julio, Maybe even a cut above.

That's a nice chunk of change to allocate to one player, plus come to grips with paying a potentially blossoming QB in Cuz. And if things keep trending as they have, Cuz staying hot at home, and that's reasonable to assume imo. He's gonna be looking at a nice chunk of change. But if Cuz somewhere notches it up a bit, stays hot at home/gets fairly hot on the road and walks the Skins into the playoff through the front door. Then he's gonna be able to pimp into contract negotiations, take out his dick, drop it on the table and say, you like that! while looking Snyder's janky ass right in the eyes.

Seriously though I look around the league and while what ckhokie said in the 5 Free Agents thread had some validity back when and does now to a certain extent about not going after a WR early in the draft. There are some youngsters who have been ballin, are ballin the last couple years. Including on the quiet tip, Jamison Crowder for the Skins. Maybe Reed is finally overcoming his injury issues and with Djax to spread the field and Garcon in the mix we should be cool at WR. But if Garcon is not in the mix.

I dunno if 68 rec, 752 yards, 11.06 ypc, 47 yards per game and 3 TDs in 2014 with 2015 stats being 49 catches, 508 yards, 10.37 ypc, 46.2 yards per game, and 3 TDs. Which are PG's stats the last 27 games. Is all that a paramount to replace PG with a 32 mill - 35 mill in guaranteed money WR via FA. Lets go get a youngster in the draft or just be patient and prudent jus like this year.

IMO, the only valid reason a team goes after Jeffery, is if they think he is legitimately the missing piece needed to get that team over the hump and into the Super Bowl. I don't think he does that for the Skins. So lets just continue to be smart and make wise, prudent moves.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'm still questioning those pass rush stats. Seems to me our pass rush numbers are in part a function of good coverage downfield which allows our rushers to get in the neighborhood, hence the "hurry" figure. I watched teams like Denver and Carolina and think no THAT'S a pass rush. They explode off the ball and wreck havoc immediately. I just don't see ours doing that although I was encouraged that Kerrigan appears to be getting that burst around the edge back.

 

[Breed]

I hear ya. I have a hard time recalling the multitude of hurries and QB hits PFF claims Hatcher, Baker and Murphy racked up. Hell, the stuff they say about RK I can't recall seeing.

Perhaps I'm ignorant of what a hurry, a hit on the QB, and a QB pressure truly are. Cuz reading PFF leaves one to think, the Skins aren't getting a lot of sacks per se, but they are getting pretty good pressure and push and altering the comfort level of opposing QBs. Yet again, I can't say I've seen that.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm still questioning those pass rush stats. Seems to me our pass rush numbers are in part a function of good coverage downfield which allows our rushers to get in the neighborhood, hence the "hurry" figure. I watched teams like Denver and Carolina and think no THAT'S a pass rush. They explode off the ball and wreck havoc immediately. I just don't see ours doing that although I was encouraged that Kerrigan appears to be getting that burst around the edge back.

There's a reason why players, coaches in fact the entire organization reacted the way that they did with the loss of Galette. He bought to DC exactly what you're seeing in Denver and Carolina. Almost seemed like a funeral when he went down around here. Personally, I wish Kerrigan was that type of player, but unlike those guys he doesn't bring it game in and game out.

Back to the point, Washington I believe, will want to get bigger targets in their WR corps, what this means for their current guys is unclear at this point. The best option appears to be one that either moves PG or DJax (maybe both??) Releasing either imo is foolish when both have value in the league. 10.1 million fo PG will have to be renegotiated even if the plan is to keep him around, but that creates a dead money issue in later years, something that BA vowed to stay away from when he was GM. Upgrading at WR is best achieved through the draft imo because the cost of doing so in FA is prohibitive. If Washington takes this route ( upgrade via draft) the question then becomes what to do with PG or DJax. It doesn't appear that the team is willing to part ways with DJax. Some here say release PG outright, some say keep him with a renegotiated contract and that's ok if the newly drafted, rookie contracted guy is not an upgrade. However if he proves to be what he was drafted to be, then SM has in play an option that will bring him something that that we all know he craves, trade bait for at least another draft pick.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh there is no question Gillette is that kind of player, that was a huge loss. And it's not like it's a guarantee that he'll be back either. I still have a problem with the signing after our GM said he wanted only high character guys but his loss was big.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm referencing the tandlers article about our cap space for next year. I think its in another thread.

Washington Redskins Contracts

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