Rodgers and Brady are the two best QBs of all time...

[Rex Racer]

Sorry I missed it. I'd love to read about these "several occasions" Marino's Dolphins had excellent defenses and very good running games. They never had both at once... not even close.

Yup, you definitely missed it.

 

[Mondo Jay]

Sorry I missed it. I'd love to read about these "several occasions" Marino's Dolphins had excellent defenses and very good running games. They never had both at once... not even close.

I don't have time to get into it today, but here is some excerpts form an interesting article on Marino.

No doubt Dan was an amazing regular season QB, but sadly he played his worst football in the playoffs. Several critical TO's really sunk him and the Dolphins chances on multiple occasions.

Take it for what it is worth.

"Dolphin fans have created an entire Mythology of Marino to explain this failure. They say he had no defense, no running game, no supporting cast. It sounds good on paper, but it's just not true. Fortunately, the Cold, Hard Football Facts worship in a different temple, one where raw numbers and reality reign as Zeus and Apollo. They easily debunked the four biggest myths perpetuated by the cult of Dan Marino.

Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league's No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That's a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino's playing days.

Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.

In Marino's record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league's No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.

There's no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that's the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had no running game.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.

In Marino's rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.

It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino's career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino's arm.

But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino's 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.

In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That's a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England's two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.

Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.

Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.

If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.

Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.

Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.

In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.

Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.


In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.

So, DollFans, if you're looking for a reason why Miami never won a Super Bowl in the 1980s or 90s, look no further than the faded Dan Marino poster still taped to the ceiling over your bed."

The author may have had an axe to grind, but there are some interesting points laid out in this article. Here is the whole thing: The Marino mythology

 

[Rex Racer]

I will gladly cover your round bro.. Just bring your wallet and bring condoms for the cart girl

Condoms? That's like grabbing titties with boxing gloves on.

 

[Wazmankg]

I don't have time to get into it today, but here is some excerpts form an interesting article on Marino.

No doubt Dan was an amazing regular season QB, but sadly he played his worst football in the playoffs. Several critical TO's really sunk him and the Dolphins chances on multiple occasions.

Take it for what it is worth.

"Dolphin fans have created an entire Mythology of Marino to explain this failure. They say he had no defense, no running game, no supporting cast. It sounds good on paper, but it's just not true. Fortunately, the Cold, Hard Football Facts worship in a different temple, one where raw numbers and reality reign as Zeus and Apollo. They easily debunked the four biggest myths perpetuated by the cult of Dan Marino.

Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league's No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That's a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino's playing days.

Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.

In Marino's record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league's No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.

There's no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that's the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had no running game.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.

In Marino's rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.

It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino's career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino's arm.

But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino's 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.

In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That's a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England's two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.

Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.

Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.

If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.

Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.

Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.

In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.

Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.


In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.

So, DollFans, if you're looking for a reason why Miami never won a Super Bowl in the 1980s or 90s, look no further than the faded Dan Marino poster still taped to the ceiling over your bed."

The author may have had an axe to grind, but there are some interesting points laid out in this article. Here is the whole thing: The Marino mythology

So they had a great D when he was 22 and didn't even start until midway through the year with a ground game that ranked 23rd in ypc and again at 37 when he was pretty much washed up and took a 10-6 team into Denver where they predictably got trounced by a far superior team. They weren't going anywhere in '98.

They had little ground game that season and picked up 14 yards (12 on 1 run) on the ground that day and that great D gave up 38 points. He didn't have much help. But according to the author it was all due to "Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender." So yeah, I'd say that he has a bit of an axe to grind.

 

[Ricky Roma]

Yeah, Montana was certainly stellar in 85, 86 and 87. And Montana led his team to 24 playoff games and Brady has only played in 32.

Did I say he was perfect? No, I did not.

 

[Ricky Roma]

Of course he doesn't have as many one and done's and in the playoffs as Montana either (4)

Irrelevant, given that I'm considering his entire body of work in the playoffs.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Real Talk. Jared Lorenzen would fuck up any QB in a bar fight. Culpepper probably second after he motorboats his way from sex parties on yachts.

I hate the dude, but Cam Newton is winning any QB brawl.

 

[The Derski]

I hate the dude, but Cam Newton is winning any QB brawl.

You mean the same guy who's scared to grab a fumble?

 

[SJ76]

Marino is the only QB that beat the 85 Bears. So he must be the best.

Then Rodgers, Favre, etc

 

[Chewbaccer]

You mean the same guy who's scared to grab a fumble?

Now he might be a candy ass when push comes to shove, I don't know, but he is one big and strong sumbitch. I'd be willing to bet that Tim Tebow is the only QB in NFL history to ever bench press more than Cam.

 

[Inimical]

It is what it is.

This is going to be one of the best Superbowl match ups of all time.

And if Rodgers can have a huge Superbowl with a win, he gets closer to the GOAT.

Agree.

 

[SJ76]

Sure he was baaaad. he grew up in Gulfport MS with a population of 11. 7 were girls

You are forgetting the girls were pet 300 pound hogs.

 

[The Derski]

Now he might be a candy ass when push comes to shove, I don't know, but he is one big and strong sumbitch. I'd be willing to bet that Tim Tebow is the only QB in NFL history to ever bench press more than Cam.

He's a big dude for sure. So was Tebow. You're right about that.

 

[LambeauLegs]

Brady is a smart man to stay up and watch and learn from the best whenever he can!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/d10e3867-0a49-3acd-84ed-0574a83fe4d3/ss_brady:-when-rodgers-is.html

Brady: When Rodgers is playing ‘I usually stay up and watch’

 

[Rex Racer]

I hate the dude, but Cam Newton is winning any QB brawl.

Puhleeze.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Puhleeze.

Who you got taking him?

Tebow is really the only one that comes to mind(skill at QB notwithstanding, Tebow is a mountain of a man)

 

[sonnyblack65]

I hate the dude, but Cam Newton is winning any QB brawl.

If Tebow was still playing would pick him, what a strong mofo benches over 500lbs

 

[sonnyblack65]

Brady is a smart man to stay up and watch and learn from the best whenever he can!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/d10e3867-0a49-3acd-84ed-0574a83fe4d3/ss_brady:-when-rodgers-is.html

Brady: When Rodgers is playing ‘I usually stay up and watch’

Brady is humble and gives props, AR should learn humility from him

 

[Chewbaccer]

Ryan Mallet was a big dude as well, and was known to get violent after a few beers. It's a big reason why he was drafted out of Arkansas instead of Michigan.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I never did like Tom Brady, but always respected him until I heard that he eats millet. That shit is literally bird food. Used to plant that shit in my great uncle's pasture for doves back when I used to dove hunt.