rg3 was 7-8 in passing on 7 on 7 drills

[Sharkinva]

Who said anything about loving the guy? What Redskins fans should do is root for the guy to do as well as possible regardless. Otherwise - you are rooting for the team to fail.

Again - if RG3 somehow landed on another team I probably won't really care about him. I care and cheer for him since he is the Redskins starting QB & hope for the future. If Cousins lit the world on fire during his starts last season I might actually be on board with a switch, but guess what - he didn't. He was drafted late for a reason (might develop eventually but not now).

Perhaps you don't explicitly say you want RG3 to fail, but I have yet to hear you say anything encouraging about the guy & you stated that you would rather have him fail miserably instead of being slightly above avg which sounds ridiculous to me (& you are also assuming that the next QB will be great which is a flawed premise).

I am not sure where you get this idea that most Skins fans are RG3 worshipers & are in love with the guy. I truly believe that most of us just want him to succeed since he is one of the main reasons for hope for this franchise. You also appear to be believe that there were not unique circumstances last season which do not currently exist & may result in a stellar year for RG3 & the team. Just not sure why any Redskins fan would not pull for the guy 100%.

To cut this short, because IM not a fan of the player and think it was a mistake to make the move we made to get him. Why is it ok for fans to actively call for the firing of a coach or cutting of a player they dont like outside of RG3?? Same premise. I think we made a mistake. Now the sooner im either proven wrong or right the better. Because middle of the pack will ultimately hurt the team. IM not assuming the next QB will be great. Im hoping he either proves he was worth the deal, or we move on from it quickly if it does infact turn out to be the mistake I think it was.

 

[skinsdad62]

To cut this short, because IM not a fan of the player and think it was a mistake to make the move we made to get him. Why is it ok for fans to actively call for the firing of a coach or cutting of a player they dont like outside of RG3?? Same premise. I think we made a mistake. Now the sooner im either proven wrong or right the better. Because middle of the pack will ultimately hurt the team. IM not assuming the next QB will be great. Im hoping he either proves he was worth the deal, or we move on from it quickly if it does infact turn out to be the mistake I think it was.

you can win with middle of the pack see joe flacco

 

[Sharkinva]

you can win with middle of the pack see joe flacco

And you can get to work every day driving a Hyundai, but you dont pay the price of a Porsche for it and then say.. well it gets me to work every day.

 

[skinsdad62]

And you can get to work every day driving a Hyundai, but you dont pay the price of a Porsche for it and then say.. well it gets me to work every day.

well if i were buying a car that would be true however we are talking about human beings and qbs .

you said being avg hurts the team i pointed out the most recent avg to win a superbowl and the ravens paid to move up to get flacco .

and again the assumption you are making is he will be avg . that may or may not be the case

but instead of saying , hey i hope this works out because they did follow your philosophy you seem to be debbie downer all the time and exaggerate things to the extreme

 

[Sharkinva]

well if i were buying a car that would be true however we are talking about human beings and qbs .

you said being avg hurts the team i pointed out the most recent avg to win a superbowl and the ravens paid to move up to get flacco .

and again the assumption you are making is he will be avg . that may or may not be the case

but instead of saying , hey i hope this works out because they did follow your philosophy you seem to be debbie downer all the time and exaggerate things to the extreme

IM no different than you saying well I expect us to be 6-10 because I think they made a mistake in not firing the DC who I dont particularly care for. I hope it does work, but I expect the RG3 trade to ultimately be a failure. Kinda like I hope I win the powerball, but I expect to be at work in the morning and not a millionaire because I gambled $5 bucks.

 

[skinsdad62]

IM no different than you saying well I expect us to be 6-10 because I think they made a mistake in not firing the DC who I dont particularly care for. I hope it does work, but I expect the RG3 trade to ultimately be a failure. Kinda like I hope I win the powerball, but I expect to be at work in the morning and not a millionaire because I gambled $5 bucks.

yeah but i am not bashing hazmat every 5 seconds and dissecting every quote he makes

i think he is undermanned over there and i am on record saying he should get 3 more years

huge difference in my attitude toward something i am not in agreement with

 

[Sharkinva]

yeah but i am not bashing hazmat every 5 seconds and dissecting every quote he makes

i think he is undermanned over there and i am on record saying he should get 3 more years

huge difference in my attitude toward something i am not in agreement with

Haslett (thats his name, cant count the times you chastised me for referring to SuperBob, or the chosen one. So lets be consistent here).....

Back on point. Our DC isnt in the media every few days making subjective comments deflecting the blame. Our DC wasnt brought in at 4 times his worth and anointed the savior from day one. I get chastised for saying I thought the trade was a mistake and thinking we took the wrong guy. Any time some one defends Haslett, you are QUICK as hell to bring up the well he has never fielded a top ten defense card. SO I wouldnt say there is a huge difference as you would say.

 

[skinsdad62]

Haslett (thats his name, cant count the times you chastised me for referring to SuperBob, or the chosen one. So lets be consistent here).....

Back on point. Our DC isnt in the media every few days making subjective comments deflecting the blame. Our DC wasnt brought in at 4 times his worth and anointed the savior from day one. I get chastised for saying I thought the trade was a mistake and thinking we took the wrong guy. Any time some one defends Haslett, you are QUICK as hell to bring up the well he has never fielded a top ten defense card. SO I wouldnt say there is a huge difference as you would say.

hazmat isnt meant to be derogatory shark

and again what we paid for has nothing to do with it .

and i dont see RG3 as deflecting anything about anybody . we includes me always has always will .

his teammates voted him team captain and for the courage award so i highly doubt anyone had ant hard feelings about what he said if you and others want to take his borderline statements as bad

the coach decides who plays and who doesnt

shanny didnt shy away from controversy either as AH and DMAC showed

those are the facts

again my stance about haslet is completely different then yours and he has a careers worth of bottom 3rd defenses on his resume .

he was handcuffed by shanahan . i dont doubt that so i can see giving him a shot at redemption .

 

[Sharkinva]

really dude??

the definition of Hazmat is Hazardous Material. As a Military man, we BOTH know the general definition. So you nickname the coach a dangerous biological or chemical agent that is toxic and in most cases deadly to anything coming into contact with it... but its not meant to be derogatory towards the coach??

As far as what we paid having nothing to do with the situation... thats an attempt to separate the two. But the reality is, the value of an item OR a person you hire is directly related to how well that item or person performs in reference to what it cost you to purchase said named item or hire said named individual.

RG3 has never shown that he can be more than an option/bootleg QB in either the college or Pro level. So what convinces you that he will all of a sudden develop these skills??

 

[j_y19]

really dude??

the definition of Hazmat is Hazardous Material. As a Military man, we BOTH know the general definition. So you nickname the coach a dangerous biological or chemical agent that is toxic and in most cases deadly to anything coming into contact with it... but its not meant to be derogatory towards the coach??

As far as what we paid having nothing to do with the situation... thats an attempt to separate the two. But the reality is, the value of an item OR a person you hire is directly related to how well that item or person performs in reference to what it cost you to purchase said named item or hire said named individual.

RG3 has never shown that he can be more than an option/bootleg QB in either the college or Pro level. So what convinces you that he will all of a sudden develop these skills??

Easy. His intelligence, his freaky athleticism, and his willingness to work harder than anyone else at what ever he wants to achieve. Those are all documented facts. The only questions are will he apply those capabilities towards developing the right skill set (is he guided right) and can he stay healthy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Easy. His intelligence, his freaky athleticism, and his willingness to work harder than anyone else at what ever he wants to achieve. Those are all documented facts. The only questions are will he apply those capabilities towards developing the right skill set (is he guided right) and can he stay healthy.

If it were that easy to make him into a pocket passer based on those factors you just named, dont you think Briles would have done it while he was in college? Or that Shanahan would have at least attempted to do it. I know deep down you all want to believe he will turn into a complete QB, but if it were that easy to teach some one to play differently than they have been playing for the last 14 years.......

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Easy. His intelligence, his freaky athleticism, and his willingness to work harder than anyone else at what ever he wants to achieve. Those are all documented facts. The only questions are will he apply those capabilities towards developing the right skill set (is he guided right) and can he stay healthy.

Thank you. The honest answer is that we don't know & the speculation at this time is pointless. This year will go a long way in determining his future. He doesn't have to be among the elite by this season but rather has to show signs of substantial growth (on the field - the off-the-field comments are blown way out of proportion & are primarily a means of bringing attn to outlets such as ESPN. If they had this technology in an earlier time I bet that a guy like Sonny Jurgensen would have been considered lazy, a drunk, etc - people need to stop putting so much stock into this crap).

Again - should be fun to watch & I am very excited to see how this season evolves.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I know deep down you all want to believe he will turn into a complete QB...

Any you don't? Huh?

 

[j_y19]

If it were that easy to make him into a pocket passer based on those factors you just named, dont you think Briles would have done it while he was in college? Or that Shanahan would have at least attempted to do it. I know deep down you all want to believe he will turn into a complete QB, but if it were that easy to teach some one to play differently than they have been playing for the last 14 years.......

I absolutely want him to turn into a complete QB, don't you? Briles chose not to do it because he didn't need to. RG3 was such a superior athlete compared to the college competition he faced that the easy play was to let robert just use his god given talents to run around and throw over the competition. Why not do it, it worked in that league?

Along the same lines, shanahan did the same thing in year 1. Use his natural talents in an offense that NFL defenses weren't ready for. Unfortunately, Robert wasn't the only exceptional athlete on an NFL field and he proved he can't take a full body shot from a 350 lb nose tackle. Shanahan needed wins, he was in his 3rd year and needed to show results. In hindsight, this may have been a mistake for the growth of RG3 long term.

Shark, everyone's frustration with your position is that it sure appears you want him to fail. I know you are a die hard Skins fan, so I have a hard time understanding that positioning.

 

[Sharkinva]

Any you don't? Huh?

I believe he is what he is. Im not going to delude myself that he above all others will do something that most players at the position have not been able to do. Name me the last option QB to become a complete QB?? Can he improve as a QB?? Sure he can. DO I expect he is going to change what got him to the NFL??? Not really. Its great in practice. BUt when the bullets start to fly and you start to play off instinct, his instincts are those of an option scrambling QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

Just because I dont think something will ultimately work out does not mean I want it to fail. Im just not one to say, well I think this was a bad idea, and we have made moves to try and compensate for the bad idea, but in the end it will all work out for the best.

 

[skinsdad62]

roger staubach , steve young randell cunningham are 3 guys who came into this league as running qbs first then became passers later

the reason are varied but mostly until you learn to read and know what defenses are doing to you you rely on your best asset . all 3's legs were their best assets

RG3's career passing % is 62.7 % that is in line with what a typical WCO qb should be

in fact his completion % is higher then KC , the supposed pocket passer

cam newton is growing into that role as is kaepernick and wilson . why not RG3 ?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I believe he is what he is. Im not going to delude myself that he above all others will do something that most players at the position have not been able to do. Name me the last option QB to become a complete QB?? Can he improve as a QB?? Sure he can. DO I expect he is going to change what got him to the NFL??? Not really. Its great in practice. BUt when the bullets start to fly and you start to play off instinct, his instincts are those of an option scrambling QB.

If memory serves me correct I seem to recall that Steve Young operated in this manner & was certainly a run-first QB. He definitely turned his game around to the point where he won a SB and was inducted in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I absolutely want him to turn into a complete QB, don't you? Briles chose not to do it because he didn't need to. RG3 was such a superior athlete compared to the college competition he faced that the easy play was to let robert just use his god given talents to run around and throw over the competition. Why not do it, it worked in that league?

Along the same lines, shanahan did the same thing in year 1. Use his natural talents in an offense that NFL defenses weren't ready for. Unfortunately, Robert wasn't the only exceptional athlete on an NFL field and he proved he can't take a full body shot from a 350 lb nose tackle. Shanahan needed wins, he was in his 3rd year and needed to show results. In hindsight, this may have been a mistake for the growth of RG3 long term.

Shark, everyone's frustration with your position is that it sure appears you want him to fail. I know you are a die hard Skins fan, so I have a hard time understanding that positioning.

This is my take too.

But I don't believe Shark wants him to fail, tho it may appear that way at times. Shark is most definitely team first IMO and consistent in his thoughts and position. I don't agree with it but he is doggedly consistent...

 

[Sharkinva]

If memory serves me correct I seem to recall that Steve Young operated in this manner & was certainly a run-first QB. He definitely turned his game around to the point where he won a SB and was inducted in the Hall of Fame.

Point taken. But this also plays into the group fallacy that we got some once in a life time player when we moved up for RG3. But in between Young and RG3, there is a litany of option QBs some of who were freakishly gifted in their athletic ability who couldnt make the transition. My take, we are betting on 21 with two face cards in our hand and three aces already on the table.