Reyes to Marlins... Hanley

[SFGRTB]

Marlins have agreed to sign Jose Reyes today, 6 years $106 million. Hanley will supposedly move to CF or third base, but its been well documented that he is unwilling to move positions. There seems to be a problem brewing. Ramirez has already had issues with the Marlins before being accused of a lack of hustle, though talks never surfaced of a trade because he was the Marlins face of the franchise.

Now, they have Jose, and coupled with the bad year and ill-fated feelings between the 2 sides, I think now may be the likeliest time, if ever, he is to be traded. Giants just so happen to have a hole at SS...

 

[Stokes1931]

Marlins have agreed to sign Jose Reyes today, 6 years $106 million. Hanley will supposedly move to CF or third base, but its been well documented that he is unwilling to move positions. There seems to be a problem brewing. Ramirez has already had issues with the Marlins before being accused of a lack of hustle, though talks never surfaced of a trade because he was the Marlins face of the franchise.

Now, they have Jose, and coupled with the bad year and ill-fated feelings between the 2 sides, I think now may be the likeliest time, if ever, he is to be traded. Giants just so happen to have a hole at SS...

I'd be in favor of taking a chance on Ramirez. He is still fairly young, with serious upside in talent, but also supposedly a head case.

 

[SFGRTB]

I'd be in favor of taking a chance on Ramirez. He is still fairly young, with serious upside in talent, but also supposedly a head case.

I just love the idea of having 3 of the best young hitters in the league all at important positions. I expect Ramirez to be back at full form next year. I can deal with a headcase, Brian Wilson is a headcase (just a different kind).

 

[the_broom]

Ok...let's say the Marlins are willing to let him go...what will it take to get him?

 

[I cAnT wAtCh]

Hanley's not going anywhere.

If he's going somewhere, it's for pitching. Think Madison Bumgarner +.

 

[filosofy29]

Hanley's not going anywhere.

If he's going somewhere, it's for pitching. Think Madison Bumgarner +.

+ what ICW? In your opinion, what would it take? Another prospect? Another 3?

And I agree with you, but just for fun.....

 

[I cAnT wAtCh]

+ what ICW? In your opinion, what would it take? Another prospect? Another 3?

And I agree with you, but just for fun.....

That really all depends on the perception of Hanley Ramirez.

If you look at Hanley Ramirez as a guy who was the best SS in baseball before last year, he's worth a whole lot.

If you look at Hanley Ramirez coming off an off-year + not exactly the greatest presence in the clubhouse (which is something the Giants organization seems to value), it's less.

In my opinion, it would be Madison Bumgarner + another prospect. Definitely not 3. Bumgarner is young and already had a very good season in the big leagues last year so he's already very valuable, in his own right.

 

[filosofy29]

That really all depends on the perception of Hanley Ramirez.

If you look at Hanley Ramirez as a guy who was the best SS in baseball before last year, he's worth a whole lot.

If you look at Hanley Ramirez coming off an off-year + not exactly the greatest presence in the clubhouse (which is something the Giants organization seems to value), it's less.

In my opinion, it would be Madison Bumgarner + another prospect. Definitely not 3. Bumgarner is young and already had a very good season in the big leagues last year so he's already very valuable, in his own right.

Gotcha. You guys are looking for a closer right? I wonder if it would be somerthing like Bumgarner + Hembree.

 

[I cAnT wAtCh]

Gotcha. You guys are looking for a closer right? I wonder if it would be somerthing like Bumgarner + Hembree.

No; we gave Heath Bell a 3-year deal.

 

[I cAnT wAtCh]

Hembree is a high upside arm, though. I'm not exactly sure on what type of arm the Marlins would want in terms of prospects, but I'm fairly certain they'd ask for Bumgarner in any sort of deal for Hanley involving the Giants. He fits the description of what the Marlins need in their rotation.

 

[calsnowskier]

Finances...

Bum is a cheap stud pitcher who has the head AND the arm.

HanRam is an expensive stud SS who has no head and is coming off a HORRID season.

I am not sure HanRam fits in our current situation.

 

[mistgl]

HanRam is moving to 3B. Pretty sure he even said he would begrudgingly do so if it was Reyes replacing him.

His power and fading range plays better at the hot corner, anyway. He hits FA at 30 and sets himself up for a Beltre like contract - He aint going to lose any money or sleep over this.

That being said, why even try to trade Bum for him? You're taking away a strength and making it a weakness to fill another weakness. It's addition by subtraction. Not to mention we kinda need him - Cain and Lincecum could very well walk, and we would be up shits creek without a paddle aka no rotation to speak of. We have ZERO young starters to replace them with, let alone Bumgarner too.

 

[SFGRTB]

Would the Marlins take prospects? Are they gearing up for Pujols? Would Pujols include keeping HanRam? I think most of us aren't sure about the current financial situation of the Marlins and how much they are willing to spend, their payroll should be sitting at somewhere around $85-$90 million after factoring Reyes, Bell and the estimated figures for their arbitration players.

 

[mistgl]

Would the Marlins take prospects? Are they gearing up for Pujols? Would Pujols include keeping HanRam? I think most of us aren't sure about the current financial situation of the Marlins and how much they are willing to spend, their payroll should be sitting at somewhere around $85-$90 million after factoring Reyes, Bell and the estimated figures for their arbitration players.

They're spending all this money because they have to. The catch on them getting that brand new field paid for by the city, was they have to up their payroll to the mid-market team they actually are. Their payroll will probably rival ours after all is said and done, so the idea of them slashing payroll is a no go.

Again, they're not trading him. He fills a huge hole at 3B that they've had for awhile, and has already willingly conceded to the hot corner.The Marlins are going for broke and trying to make a super team with top teir FA to go with their already young and talented core - HanRam is the center of that core.

 

[msgkings322]

I just love the idea of having 3 of the best young hitters in the league all at important positions. I expect Ramirez to be back at full form next year. I can deal with a headcase, Brian Wilson is a headcase (just a different kind).

Wilson =/= headcase. He's a nut, in the great tradition of Bill Lee and Mark Fidrych and so on.

One kind of headcase (like Hanley) is a guy who has a big, fragile ego, who sometimes puts himself above the team, who can hurt the team with his bullshit.

That said, we dealt with Bonds for all those years and he was one of those.

The other kind is the Jonathan Sanchez type, whose head messes with his physical talent.

I'd be down with getting Hanley, if he's truly available.

What would it take? I imagine Crawford, Belt, and a reliever?

 

[msgkings322]

They're spending all this money because they have to. The catch on them getting that brand new field paid for by the city, was they have to up their payroll to the mid-market team they actually are. Their payroll will probably rival ours after all is said and done, so the idea of them slashing payroll is a no go.

Again, they're not trading him. He fills a huge hole at 3B that they've had for awhile, and has already willingly conceded to the hot corner.The Marlins are going for broke and trying to make a super team with top teir FA to go with their already young and talented core - HanRam is the center of that core.

The Marlins do have a history of loading up, winning a WS, and then dumping everyone.

 

[SF11704]

Have to agree with MSG. If he really is available I'd definately 'kick the tires' - quite a few times if necessary! I see this move similar as when ARod came to the NYY. Jeter wasn't thrilled nor was ARod. But they put their differences aside and played ball. I think the Fish are hoping for the same. Having both Reyes and Hanley in the line-up is their utlimate goal. Just not sure if Hanley can deal with it.

If they do trade him I think it's going to be for pitching and most likely a top-of-the-line starter. If I'm the Fish I start with MadBum (good cost saving here) and then maybe change to Cainer (maybe Tim) if they have to. I also think if they can get a MadBum (plus a reliever) for Hanley and also shed some of his salary - they are serious contenders for Albert!

 

[I cAnT wAtCh]

They're spending all this money because they have to. The catch on them getting that brand new field paid for by the city, was they have to up their payroll to the mid-market team they actually are. Their payroll will probably rival ours after all is said and done, so the idea of them slashing payroll is a no go.

Again, they're not trading him. He fills a huge hole at 3B that they've had for awhile, and has already willingly conceded to the hot corner.The Marlins are going for broke and trying to make a super team with top teir FA to go with their already young and talented core - HanRam is the center of that core.

This.

 

[I cAnT wAtCh]

The Marlins do have a history of loading up, winning a WS, and then dumping everyone.

It happened once under a different owner.

It seems like the perception of Loria is that we won in '03 and he had a firesale right after, and that's not true.

Loria's actually tried before, to be fair. He gave Carlos Delgado a 4-year deal once upon a time.

As an owner, if it doesn't lead to winning, you have no stadium, and your fanbase is full of bandwagoners, there's little to no reason for you to spend the money; it's his business, after all.

 

[filosofy29]

This.

ICW.....stop ruining all of our offseason fun!!!