Report Siemian is the Starter

[Mingo]

The Goal line in the Siemian debate was - if I recall correctly - did he have a chance at starting at QB for the Denver Broncos - now Randymon and I get to this debate finish line and all of a sudden - the finish line has been moved to the HOF. To argue he had a chance - Randymon and I have said - he has a good arm, he knows the offense better than the other two and he showed leadership qualities. Those were justifications for the opinion that he could be a starter for the Denver Broncos. We were shamelessly hooted down for this opinion and now we are being accused of suggestion his raw qualities - are HOF worthy.

Randymon - I apologize for the human nature going on here.

 

[randymon]

The Goal line in the Siemian debate was - if I recall correctly - did he have a chance at starting at QB for the Denver Broncos - now Randymon and I get to this debate finish line and all of a sudden - the finish line has been moved to the HOF. To argue he had a chance - Randymon and I have said - he has a good arm, he knows the offense better than the other two and he showed leadership qualities. Those were justifications for the opinion that he could be a starter for the Denver Broncos. We were shamelessly hooted down for this opinion and now we are being accused of suggestion his raw qualities - are HOF worthy.

Randymon - I apologize for the human nature going on here.

I know Mingo. At least we stay true to our observations/ comments. Too much flip flopping by some. The latest about a week or so saying if Denver didn't get good qb play that teams would stack box and run game would suffer. That's the same lot that said we can have poor Qb play and still finish a top running team AND still win a Championship this year. I give up. I will stick to my guns and say whoever is Qb on this team better be able to have the threat/respect to stretch field and keep D's honest, or Denver's run game ,and shot at repeat, is in serious jeopardy. We all saw how inadequate Denver's run game was with Manning in there and how much it improved when Oz came in. Not saying Oz was all worldly by any means, but just the fact he could beat you deep with his arm ( and they did stretch field more with him compared to Manning ) loosened up opposing D's which opened more holes for the running game. Doesn't matter though. Hopefully were all happy with the end result .Some of these guys just blow me away with the Chameleon act.

 

[Draft Crazy]

@Mingo - Whoever "hooted" your boy RandyMon down for suggesting Siemian could start? Don't be so sensitive. Many including myself didn't see him as a starting QB material. Nobody made you into a fool over your opinion that he could be, and the simple fact is we the people who didn't see him as a starter are wanting to see more of him before we jump on the "Next Tom Brady" bandwagon. This isn't difficult to understand fellas. I hope like hell he is the next Tom Brady.

Quit the drama queen bullshit.

Trevor Siemian's sweat does not cure cancer until he proves it.

Just because he has won the starting job doesn't make him a great QB. Time will tell. Be happy he got the opportunity no need to go prancing around like we are idiots.

Nobody called anyone a fool for being on the Siemian bandwagon from the start. People are right and people are wrong on their opinions of players. If he turns out great, good for you and good for us. We don't care if we were wrong if he turns out fantastic. Nobody here is claiming to be a genius of NFL analysis nor claiming you're an idiot for believing on Siemian the day we drafted him.

 

[Draft Crazy]

and Mingo I say this in a positive way, but you're the biggest Bronco homer fan I know. Every Bronco is great to you. So you're always going to be right no matter who wins a starting position around Denver Land. You liked the guy from the start, doesn't matter if Pee Wee Herman puts on a Bronco uniform he was great the day we signed him in Mingo's eyes.

 

[SpiritOf77]

and Mingo I say this in a positive way, but you're the biggest Bronco homer fan I know. Every Bronco is great to you. So you're always going to be right no matter who wins a starting position around Denver Land. You liked the guy from the start, doesn't matter if Pee Wee Herman puts on a Bronco uniform he was great the day we signed him in Mingo's eyes.

I think Pee Wee would have been a great, very elusive, punt returner

 

[cdumler7]

I know Mingo. At least we stay true to our observations/ comments. Too much flip flopping by some. The latest about a week or so saying if Denver didn't get good qb play that teams would stack box and run game would suffer. That's the same lot that said we can have poor Qb play and still finish a top running team AND still win a Championship this year. I give up. I will stick to my guns and say whoever is Qb on this team better be able to have the threat/respect to stretch field and keep D's honest, or Denver's run game ,and shot at repeat, is in serious jeopardy. We all saw how inadequate Denver's run game was with Manning in there and how much it improved when Oz came in. Not saying Oz was all worldly by any means, but just the fact he could beat you deep with his arm ( and they did stretch field more with him compared to Manning ) loosened up opposing D's which opened more holes for the running game. Doesn't matter though. Hopefully were all happy with the end result .Some of these guys just blow me away with the Chameleon act.

Randymon I was good until you said flip flopping or that I don't stay true to my comments. I own when I am wrong most of the time or at least try to. I have openly said that I thought Roby would be a bust as I thought he was more athlete than true Cornerback and I didn't think he would have the drive to better himself in that area to become great. He has proven me wrong and nobody is happier about that than me.

Now from the beginning I have said that Siemian has a chance. Just because I didn't put him at the top of the depth chart day 1 doesn't mean I thought he had 0 chance. In fact before training camp ever came around I went back and watched every one of his snaps from last preseason and wrote my comments on him just for you and at the end said that he is a very accurate passer when the pocket is clean but struggles when pressure is starting to get to him. He also has about 2-3 passes a game that for some reason are a bit off and come close to getting picked off. Guess what much of that all still held true for this preseason. Doesn't mean he wasn't still our best QB but it shows he has some good promise but still plenty he needs to work on to be great.
I haven't been able to find it yet but I think if I remember right I broke it down that I thought Sanchez had a 50% chance of being our day 1 starter with Lynch at 30% and Siemian at 20%. Now you can say "see you gave him very little chance" but you have to remember that the odds were stacked against him for this competition. Sanchez was given the 1st team reps day 1 and even though Siemian was outplaying him most days in training camp the coaches seemed to still lean towards Sanchez over Siemian. Lynch even though he started out 3rd string was being given double the snaps in practice every single day compared to the other 2 QB's so again the coaches were trying to speed up his development to see if maybe just maybe they could have him ready day 1. Siemian though fought through things being stacked against him and believe me I am very happy for him. I hope he succeeds.

And Randymon just seems you have this idea that some of us were tearing you and others down for believing in Siemian. I don't remember it this way at all I just remember some of us disagreeing with you on the odds of him becoming the starter. That is not tearing down that is just having a football conversation. Either way here you are tearing others down doing the very thing that you say you were not happy that others were doing to you. I have watched hours of football on Siemian just to give you a breakdown of what he did in games since you don't have access to last years games and yet here you are tearing me down. Just honestly am a bit disappointed in this behavior. I don't have a problem with you gloating about being right about Siemian being named the starter but have a real problem when you start getting after other posters like this when I honestly can't remember any of us really doing what you are claiming.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Randymon I was good until you said flip flopping or that I don't stay true to my comments. I own when I am wrong most of the time or at least try to. I have openly said that I thought Roby would be a bust as I thought he was more athlete than true Cornerback and I didn't think he would have the drive to better himself in that area to become great. He has proven me wrong and nobody is happier about that than me.

Now from the beginning I have said that Siemian has a chance. Just because I didn't put him at the top of the depth chart day 1 doesn't mean I thought he had 0 chance. In fact before training camp ever came around I went back and watched every one of his snaps from last preseason and wrote my comments on him just for you and at the end said that he is a very accurate passer when the pocket is clean but struggles when pressure is starting to get to him. He also has about 2-3 passes a game that for some reason are a bit off and come close to getting picked off. Guess what much of that all still held true for this preseason. Doesn't mean he wasn't still our best QB but it shows he has some good promise but still plenty he needs to work on to be great.
I haven't been able to find it yet but I think if I remember right I broke it down that I thought Sanchez had a 50% chance of being our day 1 starter with Lynch at 30% and Siemian at 20%. Now you can say "see you gave him very little chance" but you have to remember that the odds were stacked against him for this competition. Sanchez was given the 1st team reps day 1 and even though Siemian was outplaying him most days in training camp the coaches seemed to still lean towards Sanchez over Siemian. Lynch even though he started out 3rd string was being given double the snaps in practice every single day compared to the other 2 QB's so again the coaches were trying to speed up his development to see if maybe just maybe they could have him ready day 1. Siemian though fought through things being stacked against him and believe me I am very happy for him. I hope he succeeds.

And Randymon just seems you have this idea that some of us were tearing you and others down for believing in Siemian. I don't remember it this way at all I just remember some of us disagreeing with you on the odds of him becoming the starter. That is not tearing down that is just having a football conversation. Either way here you are tearing others down doing the very thing that you say you were not happy that others were doing to you. I have watched hours of football on Siemian just to give you a breakdown of what he did in games since you don't have access to last years games and yet here you are tearing me down. Just honestly am a bit disappointed in this behavior. I don't have a problem with you gloating about being right about Siemian being named the starter but have a real problem when you start getting after other posters like this when I honestly can't remember any of us really doing what you are claiming.

Well said Carl. I think you just summed everything up right here. Time to move on.

 

[Mingo]

Panties= wad. Sadness. I don't need a lecture from Draft Crazy.

I state my opinions - I support them with facts and observations - and I live with the consequences. Yeah - I'm wrong sometimes, but when you are a homer for a team that goes to the Super Bowl two out of the last three years - it turns out your are correct a lot of the time.

 

[SpiritOf77]

The old KFFLers might recall my obsession with Gerell Robinson

But I'm STILL not gonna say that I was "wrong" ( ) because I think he'd be the #2 TE on the team at this point had he been given a shot to make the transition ..

Even when he was a WR, he had no fear of blocking or mixing it up ..

Could he really be any worse than what Heuerman has been ??

 

[cdumler7]

The old KFFLers might recall my obsession with Gerell Robinson

But I'm STILL not gonna say that I was "wrong" ( ) because I think he'd be the #2 TE on the team at this point had he been given a shot to make the transition ..

Even when he was a WR, he had no fear of blocking or mixing it up ..

Could he really be any worse than what Heuerman has been ??

Well just about anything would be better than Heuerman right now since he has hardly been on the field to even show what he can do. Heuerman will still make this roster because of his draft status but he better realize that he needs a decent year because next off season the whole spending the entire off season in the tub won't fly.

 

[cdumler7]

Panties= wad. Sadness. I don't need a lecture from Draft Crazy.

I state my opinions - I support them with facts and observations - and I live with the consequences. Yeah - I'm wrong sometimes, but when you are a homer for a team that goes to the Super Bowl two out of the last three years - it turns out your are correct a lot of the time.

Maybe mine are a bit. Like I said a while back Randymon had asked if anybody had access to last year's preseason games to see what Siemian did on every play. I told him I would go back and watch the games for him and give a break down since he didn't have access. So I spent a lot of time documenting every snap of Siemian and then giving him a big report on what I had observed. So then to have him come on here typing what he did it just is not the greatest feeling in the world. I have no problem admitting that I am surprised that Siemian is the starter but I am not backpedaling or whatever he said and honestly continues to misquote what I have said about how we can still have a top-10 Rushing attack without great QB play. I don't know how many times I need to say that it has been proven over and over that in the NFL almost every year there is a team that is a top-10 rushing attack that has bottom-10 QB play. It is NOT what I hope happens and is not ideal. Yes the rushing attack is helped when we have better QB play. But average or better QB play is not a necessity to have a top-10 rushing attack. He has grossly misrepresented at least what I have been trying to say and this is about the 3rd or 4th time I have tried to correct that with him just continuing to ignore it.

 

[Draft Crazy]

The old KFFLers might recall my obsession with Gerell Robinson

But I'm STILL not gonna say that I was "wrong" ( ) because I think he'd be the #2 TE on the team at this point had he been given a shot to make the transition ..

Even when he was a WR, he had no fear of blocking or mixing it up ..

Could he really be any worse than what Heuerman has been ??

I loved Robinson as an athlete. He just had terrible hands. He was first recruited by ASU as a S and I often feel had he stayed there he might be in the NFL. He was physical, big and could tackle well coming out. Just couldn't catch but got open well. Very good athlete was just playing on the wrong side of the ball, IMO.

 

[WalkerBoh]

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really make a difference who was "right" and who was "wrong" about Siemian. It's a rather trivial thing. It's not like any of us has any detrimental, personal stake in the outcome.


As for me, I'm still waiting to see how he handles the Baskin Robbins variety of defenses. Just because he holds the title of "starter" won't mean he actually is one until he handles actual defenses trying to win a championship.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Agree Walker, but I think Carl and I both know every time Trevor Siemian throws a TD pass we will hear about how wrong we were. When in reality neither one of us has criticized anyone''s opinion of Siemian. Things have been twisted. I had my own opinion on Siemian coming out of college where I was not high on him as a prospect. I have never once disrespected anyone's opinion who may have had a different analysis on Siemian then me. I have only stated my own and I have never once been opposed to giving Siemian a shot if that is what the staff feels gives us the best chance to win right now. I am just simply saying neither I or anyone else fully knows what Siemian is going to be like as an NFL starting QB in a regular season game without ever seeing him play that roll. We all have our own opinion but we are simply saying we hope for the best but will wait before we get too excited.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Agree Walker, but I think Carl and I both know every time Trevor Siemian throws a TD pass we will hear about how wrong we were. When in reality neither one of us has criticized anyone''s opinion of Siemian. Things have been twisted. I had my own opinion on Siemian coming out of college where I was not high on him as a prospect. I have never once disrespected anyone's opinion who may have had a different analysis on Siemian then me. I have only stated my own and I have never once been opposed to giving Siemian a shot if that is what the staff feels gives us the best chance to win right now. I am just simply saying neither I or anyone else fully knows what Siemian is going to be like as an NFL starting QB in a regular season game without ever seeing him play that roll. We all have our own opinion but we are simply saying we hope for the best but will wait before we get too excited.

Some just need to have that "pat on the head" for whatever reason.

 

[Orange Crush77]

I for one never thought Siemian would start, I hope he turns out great. I'm not going to blow smoke and say I'm not nervous about our qb situation because I am. I wonder f we misplayed our hand here. I wonder if Prescott will turn out better than Lynch. I wonder about a lot of shit

 

[iknowftbll]

I for one never thought Siemian would start, I hope he turns out great. I'm not going to blow smoke and say I'm not nervous about our qb situation because I am. I wonder f we misplayed our hand here. I wonder if Prescott will turn out better than Lynch. I wonder about a lot of shit

I assumed Sanchez would start but all along I was an am all for the best QB available getting the start. I liked the idea of Siemian getting the nod but considered it such a long shot I didn't really bother discussing it until recently.

I'm not nervous about the QB situation. I don't know definitively what to expect, but I keep going back to the production from last year's QBs and think that if the team can with the QB with the bar set that low, they just may be all right this year. Siemian doesn't have to be flashy. Take care of the ball and score lead the offense to ~23-24 or so PPG and this Broncos team is going to do fine. I am not worried about Prescott being better than Lynch either. If he is, so what? You never know how a player is going to transition from college to the NFL. Players bust and thrive all the time and there's really no way to accurately predict it. The Broncos brain trust did the best research they could and got the guy they believe is the best long term fit.

As far as the QB situation goes, I really consider a 9-7 finish the floor for this team. That's if the QBs struggle, and maybe the injury bug takes its toll. But for the long term, I think this off season has exemplified Elway's strategy to contend "from now on." I think our outlook at the QB position over the next few seasons is very promising.

 

[CEH]

Bradford traded to Vikings for a #1.

 

[cdumler7]

Bradford traded to Vikings for a #1.

Kind of ruins my hopes that the Vikings would be desperate and maybe trade something like a 5th round pick for Sanchez. Now just have to hope that Dallas gets a bit desperate knowing that Romo could now miss the entire year.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I think at best we get a 6th for Bradford though. IMO, it would be nice to get that extra pick but if we have to cut ways we gain nothing, get nothing then it's sorta whatever.