Report: Allen Robinson could land with Washington Football Team

[Skin'EmAll]

I guess whatever i sent Didn't post but, it's worth the risk. His numbers speak for themselves, his contract is favorable, he's not a crybaby in good atmospheres!

 

[skinsdad62]

My thoughts too, but the man pled his case for ODJ, he won me over with that extra 3rd that they have.

keep the 3rd and get another wr or a guy at a need . the browns are down on him because his production wasnt what they thought and he is in mayfields ear every 5 minutes wanting the ball and when its forced to him by mayfield to keep his yap shut then mistakes occur .

add to it he is coming off an ACL tear so we would have 2 guys coming from the MASH unit . offer a 5th and i would listen but not a 3 . we can get a very good wr in that round

 

[chillerdab]

No to OBJ for a third.

Yes to drafting a rookie wr without the headaches and the sunk financial cost with that extra third (and welcoming back Harmon, and signing a free agent wr).

 

[skinsdad62]

No to OBJ for a third.

Yes to drafting a rookie wr without the headaches and the sunk financial cost with that extra third (and welcoming back Harmon, and signing a free agent wr).

people forget harmon

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Fair enough, i just feel he's worth the headache if healthy, 5th sounds good to me too

 

[Stymietee]

There is a way to sign Allen Robinson but it would require Washington to use the Amari Cooper contract model. For those unfamiliar here's what it looks like. The link takes you through a couple of windups before getting to the point so, I've posted pertainent points below the link.

Cowboys should strongly consider trading Amari Cooper this ...​

Cowboys should strongly consider trading Amari Cooper this offseason

A couple of weeks ago, I tackled the idea that the Dallas Cowboys should consider releasing Jaylon Smith this coming offseason. While Smith’s play has dropped off, precipitously since his sho…

cowboyswire.usatoday.com

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dalla...44&sk=&cvid=243682F89BE14EC095BEF497AAB8AB4B#



"The Cowboys took care of business when they inked Cooper to a five-year extension worth $100 million this offseason. It was the exact amount I forecasted it would take to sign him. Better than the numbers being right on point with his value, was that the Cowboys made the deal in a way that they aren’t married to Cooper in the same way they have been to other star players.
Dallas knew there would be a decision coming after 2021 whether or not they wanted to re-sign Michael Gallup. Cooper’s deal has an easy out clause after 2021 because they barely gave him any signing bonus.
Cooper got $10 million in base salary in Year 1, and a $10 million signing bonus. That cap hit from that bonus is spread out evenly over five years. His cap hit in 2020 was just $12 million even though he made $20 million.
He’s scheduled to make $20 million in salary each of the next four years, so he’ll have a $22 million cap hit each year.
If Dallas were to trade him, they’d get rid of the $20 million base salary, keep the $2 million prorated bonus for 2021, and then they’d have to eat $6 million more in bonus allocation ($2 million each from 2022, 2023, and 2024), for a total of $8 million in dead money.
Taking that $8 million from the $22 million expected hit, that’s $14 million shaved off.

 

[skinsdad62]

There is a way to sign Allen Robinson but it would require Washington to use the Amari Cooper contract model. For those unfamiliar here's what it looks like. The link takes you through a couple of windups before getting to the point so, I've posted pertainent points below the link.

Cowboys should strongly consider trading Amari Cooper this ...​

Cowboys should strongly consider trading Amari Cooper this offseason

A couple of weeks ago, I tackled the idea that the Dallas Cowboys should consider releasing Jaylon Smith this coming offseason. While Smith’s play has dropped off, precipitously since his sho…

cowboyswire.usatoday.com

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dallas Cap hit if they cut Amari Cooper 2021&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=dallas cap hit if they cut amari cooper 2021&sc=0-44&sk=&cvid=243682F89BE14EC095BEF497AAB8AB4B#



"The Cowboys took care of business when they inked Cooper to a five-year extension worth $100 million this offseason. It was the exact amount I forecasted it would take to sign him. Better than the numbers being right on point with his value, was that the Cowboys made the deal in a way that they aren’t married to Cooper in the same way they have been to other star players.
Dallas knew there would be a decision coming after 2021 whether or not they wanted to re-sign Michael Gallup. Cooper’s deal has an easy out clause after 2021 because they barely gave him any signing bonus.
Cooper got $10 million in base salary in Year 1, and a $10 million signing bonus. That cap hit from that bonus is spread out evenly over five years. His cap hit in 2020 was just $12 million even though he made $20 million.
He’s scheduled to make $20 million in salary each of the next four years, so he’ll have a $22 million cap hit each year.
If Dallas were to trade him, they’d get rid of the $20 million base salary, keep the $2 million prorated bonus for 2021, and then they’d have to eat $6 million more in bonus allocation ($2 million each from 2022, 2023, and 2024), for a total of $8 million in dead money.
Taking that $8 million from the $22 million expected hit, that’s $14 million shaved off.

So in 23 we are BACK to where we are . Draft the wr

 

[Skin'EmAll]

There is a way to sign Allen Robinson but it would require Washington to use the Amari Cooper contract model. For those unfamiliar here's what it looks like. The link takes you through a couple of windups before getting to the point so, I've posted pertainent points below the link.

Cowboys should strongly consider trading Amari Cooper this ...​

Cowboys should strongly consider trading Amari Cooper this offseason

A couple of weeks ago, I tackled the idea that the Dallas Cowboys should consider releasing Jaylon Smith this coming offseason. While Smith’s play has dropped off, precipitously since his sho…

cowboyswire.usatoday.com

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dallas Cap hit if they cut Amari Cooper 2021&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=dallas cap hit if they cut amari cooper 2021&sc=0-44&sk=&cvid=243682F89BE14EC095BEF497AAB8AB4B#



"The Cowboys took care of business when they inked Cooper to a five-year extension worth $100 million this offseason. It was the exact amount I forecasted it would take to sign him. Better than the numbers being right on point with his value, was that the Cowboys made the deal in a way that they aren’t married to Cooper in the same way they have been to other star players.
Dallas knew there would be a decision coming after 2021 whether or not they wanted to re-sign Michael Gallup. Cooper’s deal has an easy out clause after 2021 because they barely gave him any signing bonus.
Cooper got $10 million in base salary in Year 1, and a $10 million signing bonus. That cap hit from that bonus is spread out evenly over five years. His cap hit in 2020 was just $12 million even though he made $20 million.
He’s scheduled to make $20 million in salary each of the next four years, so he’ll have a $22 million cap hit each year.
If Dallas were to trade him, they’d get rid of the $20 million base salary, keep the $2 million prorated bonus for 2021, and then they’d have to eat $6 million more in bonus allocation ($2 million each from 2022, 2023, and 2024), for a total of $8 million in dead money.
Taking that $8 million from the $22 million expected hit, that’s $14 million shaved off.

That appears to be a solid structure for such a large contract. That being said, i'm glad we didn't sign Amari.
Every time i consider him elite, he has his games or even stretches of awful play

 

[Stymietee]

So in 23 we are BACK to where we are . Draft the wr

You absolutely cannot "cheap" your way to a SB win nor a consistently winning program. There's this strange lil' ole' thing bothersome thing that players who perform well want to get paid for their efforts, (damn them! ) Who knew right??

No they wouldn't be back to where they are now. Every year evaluations have to be made, if he lives up to his contract then that decision to keep him into his 4th and 5th years of the contract is justified, If not the cap hit is small enough that you're not hurt badly. Besides in august 2023, Allen Robinson will turn 30 with all of the ramifications that come with that age in the NFL.

 

[Stymietee]

That appears to be a solid structure for such a large contract. That being said, i'm glad we didn't sign Amari.
Every time i consider him elite, he has his games or even stretches of awful play

It makes me queazy to have to say this but Dallas was extremely smart in the manner that this contract was structured.

 

[skinsdad62]

You absolutely cannot "cheap" your way to a SB win nor a consistently winning program. There's this strange lil' ole' thing bothersome thing that players who perform well want to get paid for their efforts, (damn them! ) Who knew right??

No they wouldn't be back to where they are now. Every year evaluations have to be made, if he lives up to his contract then that decision to keep him into his 4th and 5th years of the contract is justified, If not the cap hit is small enough that you're not hurt badly. Besides in august 2023, Allen Robinson will turn 30 with all of the ramifications that come with that age in the NFL.

You can draft your guys , develop them and pay them to a super bowl

 

[Stymietee]

You can draft your guys , develop them and pay them to a super bowl

It's going to take time to develop them and let's say that you do exactly what you suggest.. How do you then pay them all and maintain continuity? That said, moves like that haven't been proposed on this site and now that it has, you're suggesting that your QB is on his rookie deal, and a turnover of nearly every current playerin favor of others also on their rookie deals or second contracts, correct?

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Some of these conversations are not for the casual forum fan, lol. You better have a explanation on deck.
Lol, I have learned a lot about contracts in a short time

 

[skinz2winz]

people forget harmon

No REAL fan has forgotten Harmon.

 

[skinsdad62]

It's going to take time to develop them and let's say that you do exactly what you suggest.. How do you then pay them all and maintain continuity? That said, moves like that haven't been proposed on this site and now that it has, you're suggesting that your QB is on his rookie deal, and a turnover of nearly every current playerin favor of others also on their rookie deals or second contracts, correct?

the same way winning organizations do IE the packers , they rarely enter FA but mostly draft . the pats used their draft as well often trading down

 

[Skin'EmAll]

the same way winning organizations do IE the packers , they rarely enter FA but mostly draft . the pats used their draft as well often trading down

The Packers are considered a failure of an organization for their moves in the draft and FA. They have the most talented QB the league has ever seen(different from most successful) and only got 1 championship from him. They are heavily criticized by the media

 

[Stymietee]

the same way winning organizations do IE the packers , they rarely enter FA but mostly draft . the pats used their draft as well often trading down

What they do is make a concerted effort to have highly talented person(s), and stablity at the QB position. Want proof? Here's a comparative look at this team and the one that you mentioned;

GREEN BAY SINCE 1992



WASHINGTON SINCE 1992

 

[Sportster 72]

So it is possible to have a really good QB not be successful as a team? Asking for a friend.

I am not a big Brady fan but his success is undeniable, he is the GOAT. He has to prove it but it seems that Mahomes will be his successor in the league.

 

[Stymietee]

The facts are, that Washington has no post 1992 history of long term stability at QB. Unfortunately, that also includes their penchant to change head coaches routinely as well. Make no mistake, there is a definite correlation between won/loss records and having stability in both concurrently. It's also interesting to note the reluctance, and fear, that comes out when a once ever opportunity persents itself, and irrational excuses come out detailing why it's such a bad idea to go full bore after that individual.

How's every other way worked out for this organization? What difference does it make if some here aren't confident enough in the new management team, to put together or find players in free agency, and a limited draft, because some of that capital was spent in getting your long term QB? Understand something, you're NOT, "mortgaging the future" when you have stability at head coach and QB, you're securing it! The cost may be high but it's well worth almost any cost, to have both in place for the seeable future. It's seems to be a fairly simple plan to follow and yet during this time span (1992- 2021) Washington seems to have never attempted and/or failed to do this. As a result there's little wonder that in that span, they've also struggles to hold a relevant position in the NFL.

 

[skinsdad62]

The facts are, that Washington has no post 1992 history of long term stability at QB. Unfortunately, that also includes their penchant to change head coaches routinely as well. Make no mistake, there is a definite correlation between won/loss records and having stability in both concurrently. It's also interesting to note the reluctance, and fear, that comes out when a once ever opportunity persents itself, and irrational excuses come out detailing why it's such a bad idea to go full bore after that individual.

How's every other way worked out for this organization? What difference does it make if some here aren't confident enough in the new management team, to put together or find players in free agency, and a limited draft, because some of that capital was spent in getting your long term QB? Understand something, you're NOT, "mortgaging the future" when you have stability at head coach and QB, you're securing it! The cost may be high but it's well worth almost any cost, to have both in place for the seeable future. It's seems to be a fairly simple plan to follow and yet during this time span (1992- 2021) Washington seems to have never attempted and/or failed to do this. As a result there's little wonder that in that span, they've also struggles to hold a relevant position in the NFL.

Farve and Rodgers have 1 super bowl win a piece as does RW , the same as flacco and Foles