Rep for Aaron Asham

[SLY]

Only thing I hate is the scrums after a SOG and scrums after a clean hit. But that is the NHL today.

 

[4thstreet]

Hi guys
First the disclaimer: I'm not condoning taunting here. Never thought too highly of showing off in sports under any circumstance.

Having said that, though. The guy apologized once he realized he really hurt the kid and that should be enough for the league, the fans and everybody involved. As far as celebrations go, this thing is really tame in comparison to the antics of guys like Tie Domi or the Broad Street Bullies in the 70's. That doesn't make it alright but it doesn't need to get blown way out of proportion either. I hope this kid will be okay but Asham doesn't need to be punished further.

I don't know if there's any truth to it but one thing I heard that bugged me was the Caps players saying stuff like"it wasn't fair, Beagle isn't a fighter". Was that just more stupid ESPN rhetoric? The hi-lite I saw the kid dropped the gloves and threw some punches. That makes him a willing combatant and fair game, in my book. I remember how pissed I was at the stupidity of the Sharks (and media) in the play-offs last year when Marlowe decided to drop them with Bieksa. They didn't have a beef then and the Caps for sure don't have one here.

Sorry,but can't let that statement go by without commenting.
The only antics the Flyers pulled off after a fight was to skate to the penalty box.As for gestures-if you got the best of Schultz,Kelly,Dupont,Saleski,etc,which was rare,they would point to you to say that we're gonna go at it again.

As for Domi-I,ve seen a shitload of his fights and he usually had a smile on his face after each one.It was a smile that said either-good fight or hey bud we'll be hooking up again when I get out of the penalty box.

 

[pixburgher66]

I sort of agree with 46 here. You can't support fighting AND be pissed about the outcome of this fight (not that people here are saying that, but a LOT of the media is). Some of the tweets last night from TSN/ESPN guys were so on the fence it was disturbing. "Headshots are suspendable, but that isn't?! Blah blah blah" Did you expect him to go for body shots?! If you don't like fighting, great, I'm not a supporter of it in the sport either (though I admittedly enjoy it, I see it as the risks are far greater than the benefits), but PICK a side, don't pull this crap when a guy gets TKO'd. The Asham thing was a WWE reference (ironically), and my position is that he didn't realize the gravity of his injuries. He got to the box, sat down, saw him being tended too, and gave him a stick tap.

 

[elocomotive]

I sort of agree with 46 here. You can't support fighting AND be pissed about the outcome of this fight (not that people here are saying that, but a LOT of the media is). Some of the tweets last night from TSN/ESPN guys were so on the fence it was disturbing. "Headshots are suspendable, but that isn't?! Blah blah blah" Did you expect him to go for body shots?! If you don't like fighting, great, I'm not a supporter of it in the sport either (though I admittedly enjoy it, I see it as the risks are far greater than the benefits), but PICK a side, don't pull this crap when a guy gets TKO'd. The Asham thing was a WWE reference (ironically), and my position is that he didn't realize the gravity of his injuries. He got to the box, sat down, saw him being tended too, and gave him a stick tap.

Good post.

Just a btw, Beagle is fine. He has a fat lip but has no concussion symptoms.

 

[pixburgher66]

Good post.

Just a btw, Beagle is fine. He has a fat lip but has no concussion symptoms.

Now THAT shocks me. He was unconscious, and by definition, is concussed. *sigh* Oh major league sports and your disregard for safety in so many cases. I hope they at least let him rest a few days, just to monitor him.

 

[elocomotive]

Now THAT shocks me. He was unconscious, and by definition, is concussed. *sigh* Oh major league sports and your disregard for safety in so many cases. I hope they at least let him rest a few days, just to monitor him.

Probably will. He's on the 4th line which has been rotating 4 guys anyway.

 

[Vadered]

Also, I haven't seen anything about it since the initial reports. That really upsets me. This is a big deal, but the media doesn't see the need to promote it. I mean, what's more scandalous than Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity potentially being wrong?!?!

That's because they haven't verified it yet. Can you imagine how that conversation would go?

"Hey, Tom, just got back from two weeks of horrifying illness. Good to be back! So, what are we up to today? Looks busy."

"Oh, hey Bob. Yeah, me and the boys are setting up an experiment. We want to see if we can verify this other data and disprove a theory."

"Oh really? Which one?"

"Physics."



The other reason they haven't been buzzing is because, in all likelihood, there WAS experimental error. Those particles did NOT exceed the speed of light. Einstein WASN'T wrong. I expect them to announce a few "could not duplicate findings"-type experiments in the next few years, and my heart will die a little bit with each one, because that means I will never be able to go back in time to the third period/OT intermission of game 6 Hawks@Flyers, walk up to Michael Leighton, slap him HARD across the face, and simply say, "You'll know why."

Seriously, dude. Didn't need to be a fucking neutrino to get past Leighton that night, did you?

 

[Darkstone42]

That's because they haven't verified it yet. Can you imagine how that conversation would go?

"Hey, Tom, just got back from two weeks of horrifying illness. Good to be back! So, what are we up to today? Looks busy."

"Oh, hey Bob. Yeah, me and the boys are setting up an experiment. We want to see if we can verify this other data and disprove a theory."

"Oh really? Which one?"

"Physics."



The other reason they haven't been buzzing is because, in all likelihood, there WAS experimental error. Those particles did NOT exceed the speed of light. Einstein WASN'T wrong. I expect them to announce a few "could not duplicate findings"-type experiments in the next few years, and my heart will die a little bit with each one, because that means I will never be able to go back in time to the third period/OT intermission of game 6 Hawks@Flyers, walk up to Michael Leighton, slap him HARD across the face, and simply say, "You'll know why."

Seriously, dude. Didn't need to be a fucking neutrino to get past Leighton that night, did you?

I wish I could rep you for this...

But yeah, I would just like to know when different groups accept/reject the offers and what types of tests they'll run to verify or disprove this.

 

[juliansteed]

I just want to say one thing about this, though... In my humble opinion, you cannot support fighting and also get bent about Arron's little celebration, afterwards. If fighting needs to be taken out of the sport, fine. I have no problem with it being eliminated.

But, if a guy wants to feel the adrenaline afterwards, and he tries to charge up the crowd after 'winning' a fight, it's no different than a goal-scorer doing some antics after putting one in the back of the cage. They're entertaining the crowd, and Asham said as much. He also said he regretted it, but in the heat of the moment, when the blood pressure is up, every poster on this forum has said or done something they've later regretted. This is no different. We don't need to gather a lynch mob and tie Asham to a tree for it.

Let's not forget what is being put on the line when two men go toe to toe in front of thousands of watchful eyes. It is their pride that is on the line. If you were to lay someone out the way Asham did last night, don't you think you also would be pretty fired up?!?

These are pretty much my thoughts and why I'm glad the NHL didn't decide to take further action or it would have been very hypocritical on their part. Only in hockey and among hockey fans does the "sticks and stones" saying not only not apply, but the exact opposite does seem to apply. It's okay to pound someone's face into oblivion as long as you "respect" the other guy.

 

[JustAsking]

For whatever this is worth, some folks are upset that Asham challenged a non-fighter... I guess perhaps it was the other way around, Beagle challenged him.

"I didn't go up and ask him for a fight. I told him to settle down. He challenged me," Asham said. "I wasn't going after him asking to fight. We had a power play. I was telling him to settle down and stop running around, or he was going to have to fight. He wanted to fight."

More importantly, how is he? Any word from the Caps camp, no broken bones or concussions hopefully.

 

[beantownmaniac]

How can you NOT be a fan of a little pooch like this?

My favs:

Border Collie

German Shepherds

 

[beantownmaniac]

As for the thread topic, 30 years ago this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

 

[banditshcky11]

Personally I don't get the difference between what asham did mocking beagle/the caps/ fans and when an enforcer wins a fight, is ejected from the game and taints the bench. Beagle got knocked the fuck out, but he dropped his gloves and knew the risks of fighting. If he didn't end up bloody face down no one would care, it's not like asham pulled a bertuzzi and attacked a guy from behind.

I'd be willing to bet half the people who disagree with ashams actions love when Anderson silva knocks someone out then makes all kinds of hand gestures, takes victory laps and does cartwheels. It's 2 different sports but both athletes are celebrating a win with an adrenalin high.

Maybe I'm just biased cause I was the asshole who would taunt anyone I could after I won a fight on my way to and while in the box. Intimidating or pissing an opponent off while pumping your team up gives you a huge competitive edge.

 

[DeathByEmu]

Sorry,but can't let that statement go by without commenting.
The only antics the Flyers pulled off after a fight was to skate to the penalty box.As for gestures-if you got the best of Schultz,Kelly,Dupont,Saleski,etc,which was rare,they would point to you to say that we're gonna go at it again.

Calling bullcrap on that one.

I happen to know there's a guy on the Flyer roster right now who has been know to 'shush' the crowd after a fight. If that's not uncalled for, I don't know what is.

 

[juliansteed]

Calling bullcrap on that one.

I happen to know there's a guy on the Flyer roster right now who has been know to 'shush' the crowd after a fight. If that's not uncalled for, I don't know what is.

But he was responding to a comment someone made about the Flyers from the 70s. I have no idea who's right or wrong as it relates to that debate, but a player on the Flyers' current roster wouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

[forty_three]

Sorry,but can't let that statement go by without commenting.
The only antics the Flyers pulled off after a fight was to skate to the penalty box.

Guess you missed the time, I believe it was Boston, when Schultzie pummeled two different Bruins and as the second went to the ice in a heap he skated to the bench and put both hands up with the "C'mon, come get some" to the whole Bruins bench. That was the most famous example. I saw others.

I don't dislike fighting, in fact I like it specifically because of showboaters. You do something like this, you know you'll have to answer for it. Ergo, you don't unless you are ready to pay the piper. At least you used to have to. With the league meddling, which is only going to get worse, it's gone down a lot and now you see a lot of disrespectful celebrations because enforcers are afraid to enforce.

I like that Asham owned up to, probably because he realized that he was going to get whooped sometime soon for it. Then he kept talking. Now he KNOWS he's going to. It's part of the game. Don't run your mouth if you're not willing to pay the price.

Unless he gets punished for winning the fight and "hurting" another player. All this talk about that aspect of the whole situation in bothering the hell out of me. It was a fight. It's not some candy-ass skating with his head down or someone with his face to the boards getting nailed in the head. If you enter a fight and don't expect to get hit in the head, you're retarded. It's almost like suing because your coffee was too hot at the drive through. THAT'S WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

But that's what we've become. Everything has to be a god damned soap opera.