Redskins are considering tagging Kirk for a trade

[Stymietee]

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For any and all Skins posters that are in favor of the tag and trade idea, imagine you are the Washington Redskins GM (congrats!) and look at this scenario and tell me what you would do.

Tag and Trade Scenario:
Being the brilliant GM that you are, you tag Cousins on February 20. Kirk signs it to prevent the team from rescinding it later. Your wildest dreams come true and the Browns offer the 4th overall pick and the Cardinals and Jets are offering a 2nd rounder. Naturally, all offers are contingent on KC signing a LTD. KC vetoes the trade offers by refusing to sign a LTD with any of those teams. Cousins tells the Skins GM (you) that he wants to be traded to Denver and that is the only team he will sign a LTD with. However, Denver knows that too, so when you call, Elway only offers a 4th rd pick in 2019. You have 18 days until the FA tampering period opens on March 12 and FA opens 2 days later.

Keep in mind, since you tagged KC, these real-world constraints apply:
--You can't rescind the tag b/c Cousins has already signed it.
--Until you trade Cousins, you have basically zero cap space.
--Until you get cap space, you can't resign or sign FAs making much more than the minimum.
--If you trade Cousins, you'll no longer receive the 3rd rd comp pick you likely had coming in 2019.
--Until you trade KC, you'll have to restructure deals and/or cut players just to sign your draft picks.

YOU are the Washington GM. What do you do now?

This is an interesting proposition since you've taken away some real world options such as my ability to rescind the tag, that I can tag him on February 20th (12:01 am) and that there's an assumption that free agency begins as soon as I tag him. However, even with those things at play there's a pretty simple solution since you've asked me to be the GM and not to infer what Bruce Allen would or should do.

Here's my solution:

All negotiations begin and end with me and Kirk's agent working in tandem. His representative will know which teams are in play and which are not, therefore eliminating a need to try to trade him where he won't go. Next, the two of us would sit with Denver or whoever their choice is, knowing that this is NOT a two way deal but a three way deal. (Kirk, D.C. and team TBD) All things being negotiable, we hammer out details come to an agreement that suits everyone then make the announcement. BTW: if Elway offers only a 4th round pick and tries to hold to a hard line, I'd trade his rights to whoever wants them on the tag, since we making this whole thing up.

 

[gkekoa]

This is an interesting proposition since you've taken away some real world options such as my ability to rescind the tag, that I can tag him on February 20th (12:01 am) and that there's an assumption that free agency begins as soon as I tag him. However, even with those things at play there's a pretty simple solution since you've asked me to be the GM and not to infer what Bruce Allen would or should do.

Here's my solution:

All negotiations begin and end with me and Kirk's agent working in tandem. His representative will know which teams are in play and which are not, therefore eliminating a need to try to trade him where he won't go. Next, the two of us would sit with Denver or whoever their choice is, knowing that this is NOT a two way deal but a three way deal. (Kirk, D.C. and team TBD) All things being negotiable, we hammer out details come to an agreement that suits everyone then make the announcement. BTW: if Elway offers only a 4th round pick and tries to hold to a hard line, I'd trade his rights to whoever wants them on the tag, since we making this whole thing up.

Nobody will take his rights on the tag. Nobody is dumb enough, other than us, to do this.

Here is the thing...Elway doesn’t have to offer us a pick at all if KC simply wont allow a trade any where else.

 

[Stymietee]

Nobody will take his rights on the tag. Nobody is dumb enough, other than us, to do this.

Here is the thing...Elway doesn’t have to offer us a pick at all if KC simply wont allow a trade any where else.

They will take his rights on the tag, because the questioner created a scenario that had factual flaws, I took the liberty of creating one of my own. So, on that basis, it's a done deal.

 

[chillerdab]

The above situation won't happen because there is no good reason for KC to eliminate 3 teams from bidding for his services. It's not in his best interest, which is exactly what his agent tells him.

The only reason KC would do any of that is to screw over the redskins, which is ALSO not in his best interest.

After cooler heads prevail, KC would go to any number of teams - Browns included - which would may be enough to start a bidding war for his services. This of course depends on Bruce Allen having the balls to franchise him, which I don't believe he does.

IMHO

 

[Niner Outlaw]

This is an interesting proposition since you've taken away some real world options such as my ability to rescind the tag, that I can tag him on February 20th (12:01 am) and that there's an assumption that free agency begins as soon as I tag him. However, even with those things at play there's a pretty simple solution since you've asked me to be the GM and not to infer what Bruce Allen would or should do.

They will take his rights on the tag, because the questioner created a scenario that had factual flaws, I took the liberty of creating one of my own. So, on that basis, it's a done deal.

You may want to reread the post b/c I didn't do either of those things. First, I said to assume that once he gets the tag, Kirk signs it. It's a real world rule that once the tag is signed it can't be rescinded.

Second, I did not assume that FA started as soon as you tagged him. The first day to tag a player is February 20 and the last day is March 6. I assumed you tagged him on the 20th and spent a day or 2 working the phones. That's why i said, "You have 18 days until the FA tampering period opens on March 12 and FA opens 2 days later." That scenario gives you more than 2 weeks to do something with Cousins before FA opens.

Here's my solution:

All negotiations begin and end with me and Kirk's agent working in tandem. His representative will know which teams are in play and which are not, therefore eliminating a need to try to trade him where he won't go. Next, the two of us would sit with Denver or whoever their choice is, knowing that this is NOT a two way deal but a three way deal. (Kirk, D.C. and team TBD) All things being negotiable, we hammer out details come to an agreement that suits everyone then make the announcement. BTW: if Elway offers only a 4th round pick and tries to hold to a hard line, I'd trade his rights to whoever wants them on the tag, since we making this whole thing up.

I like your solution, but do you really think any team will trade for Cousins and his 34M salary without a LTD? And if so, what do you think you'll get for him in that case?

 

[Sharkinva]

I like your solution, but do you really think any team will trade for Cousins and his 34M salary without a LTD? And if so, what do you think you'll get for him in that case?

You have to understand, we have Charlie Sheen's genetic doppelganger running the team. So the concept of putting Cousins where they want him to go and getting anything in return this year will be spun as winning. Its also so adorable that the people who were so adamant we move on from Cousins are now the ones dead set on we should try and get something in return for the QB we didnt want.

 

[skinsdad62]

In outlaws scenario I would take the 4th . In my world I have committed to smith so I Let KC walk and get the camp pick . Then I start filling holes

 

[gkekoa]

In outlaws scenario I would take the 4th . In my world I have committed to smith so I Let KC walk and get the camp pick . Then I start filling holes

Exactly. You don’t make a bad move worse by being a bigger idiot.

 

[Sportster 72]

This is an interesting proposition since you've taken away some real world options such as my ability to rescind the tag, that I can tag him on February 20th (12:01 am) and that there's an assumption that free agency begins as soon as I tag him. However, even with those things at play there's a pretty simple solution since you've asked me to be the GM and not to infer what Bruce Allen would or should do.

Here's my solution:

All negotiations begin and end with me and Kirk's agent working in tandem. His representative will know which teams are in play and which are not, therefore eliminating a need to try to trade him where he won't go. Next, the two of us would sit with Denver or whoever their choice is, knowing that this is NOT a two way deal but a three way deal. (Kirk, D.C. and team TBD) All things being negotiable, we hammer out details come to an agreement that suits everyone then make the announcement. BTW: if Elway offers only a 4th round pick and tries to hold to a hard line, I'd trade his rights to whoever wants them on the tag, since we making this whole thing up.

I am/was not in favor of tagging and trading. The deal is done as far as I am concerned. Smith is the Redskin QB. Time to get a DT, WR and RB.

 

[Stymietee]

You may want to reread the post b/c I didn't do either of those things. First, I said to assume that once he gets the tag, Kirk signs it. It's a real world rule that once the tag is signed it can't be rescinded.

Second, I did not assume that FA started as soon as you tagged him. The first day to tag a player is February 20 and the last day is March 6. I assumed you tagged him on the 20th and spent a day or 2 working the phones. That's why i said, "You have 18 days until the FA tampering period opens on March 12 and FA opens 2 days later." That scenario gives you more than 2 weeks to do something with Cousins before FA opens.

I like your solution, but do you really think any team will trade for Cousins and his 34M salary without a LTD? And if so, what do you think you'll get for him in that case?

Elway is cheap as hell when it comes to giving up assets, so compensation from Denver is going to be meager, Ironically a 3rd or 4th. So if I'm GM, they would be my ICE (in case of emergency) team.

Jacksonville would be the next to last team that I would want to deal with unless they are also willing to give up a player with that second or third.

The rest of them are likely more desperate to settle their QB position and based upon the level of interest, I'm expecting multiple picks. My #1 & 2 choices are Cleveland and the NY Jets.

BTW: I'm pretty sure that teams can rescind FT's until July 15th. On that date the tag becomes a guaranteed one year deal. Next, I have 18 days, let's not discount that because it is my window to get things done. To me that means that I more closely have 17 days 23 hours before I am forced to rescind that tag. My potency runs out after that in dealing. Also in that time frame I'm making deals in principal with my own free agents, with an eye on a few others from elsewhere. No cuts or restructures needed and Since I'm trading him, I no longer have to be concerned with losing the 3rd round comp. pick, that goes away anyway. Yep all within that 17 day, 23 hour window.

One other thing, since I'm GM, there's the assumption that Bruce Allen is enjoying his new job as dead duck director at an outpost somewhere near Siberia.

 

[Stymietee]

The above situation won't happen because there is no good reason for KC to eliminate 3 teams from bidding for his services. It's not in his best interest, which is exactly what his agent tells him.

The only reason KC would do any of that is to screw over the redskins, which is ALSO not in his best interest.

After cooler heads prevail, KC would go to any number of teams - Browns included - which would may be enough to start a bidding war for his services. This of course depends on Bruce Allen having the balls to franchise him, which I don't believe he does.

IMHO

Remember I'm the GM, and my stones have grandchildren, but just in case, after several visits to some of the more upscale tittie bars, a little wining and dining with the reps and his family the relationship becomes more friendly.

 

[Stymietee]

You have to understand, we have Charlie Sheen's genetic doppelganger running the team. So the concept of putting Cousins where they want him to go and getting anything in return this year will be spun as winning. Its also so adorable that the people who were so adamant we move on from Cousins are now the ones dead set on we should try and get something in return for the QB we didnt want.

Who exactly are these "adorable" people?

 

[Sharkinva]

Who exactly are these "adorable" people?

I dont know if the people are adorable.

But by asking this question are you asking for a list just to see if you are included??

YOu and i both know that there were people on this forum pounding the boards that we needed to move on from COusins, that finding a new better QB would be significantly cheaper and not too difficult. And by and large that same group of people are defending the idea of we should now tag Cousins and try to trade him because we need to get something back for him.

To put the sentiment in relationship terms (because we do that around here from time to time)

It would be like having your live in for the last three years find out over face book that you moved on, gave the new person the ring and commitment you refused to give your live in. Then showing up three days later and saying, I know its over between us.... but let me hit it one more time and pick your next partner for you from a group of people I like.

 

[Sleepy T]

You have to understand, we have Charlie Sheen's genetic doppelganger running the team. So the concept of putting Cousins where they want him to go and getting anything in return this year will be spun as winning. Its also so adorable that the people who were so adamant we move on from Cousins are now the ones dead set on we should try and get something in return for the QB we didnt want.

Not speaking for everyone, but I believe most of us ABCers would have been just fine with trading KC last year for a 1st or two.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not speaking for everyone, but I believe most of us ABCers would have been just fine with trading KC last year for a 1st or two.

Most of them never wanted him to start to begin with.

 

[gkekoa]

Elway is cheap as hell when it comes to giving up assets, so compensation from Denver is going to be meager, Ironically a 3rd or 4th. So if I'm GM, they would be my ICE (in case of emergency) team.

Jacksonville would be the next to last team that I would want to deal with unless they are also willing to give up a player with that second or third.

The rest of them are likely more desperate to settle their QB position and based upon the level of interest, I'm expecting multiple picks. My #1 & 2 choices are Cleveland and the NY Jets.

BTW: I'm pretty sure that teams can rescind FT's until July 15th. On that date the tag becomes a guaranteed one year deal. Next, I have 18 days, let's not discount that because it is my window to get things done. To me that means that I more closely have 17 days 23 hours before I am forced to rescind that tag. My potency runs out after that in dealing. Also in that time frame I'm making deals in principal with my own free agents, with an eye on a few others from elsewhere. No cuts or restructures needed and Since I'm trading him, I no longer have to be concerned with losing the 3rd round comp. pick, that goes away anyway. Yep all within that 17 day, 23 hour window.

One other thing, since I'm GM, there's the assumption that Bruce Allen is enjoying his new job as dead duck director at an outpost somewhere near Siberia.

You cannot rescind the tag once it is signed.

 

[Sharkinva]

The moment they tag him, they forfeit any comp pick they might have gotten in 2019. The moment Kirk signs it, they have to deal him or eat the $34.5M even if they decide its a bad idea to have Cousins behind or in competition with Smith. The moment he signs it, they also lose the ability to negotiate in good faith with not only our own free agents, but any potential outside free agents, because simply put ALL the cap space will be tied up in the QB position until such time as they deal Cousins. Sure they could ell guys, we will sign you as soon as we deal Cousins, but what if they CANT deal him until a week, two weeks or three weeks into free agency?? MOst of the guys they will be chasing will take the approach of I would rather go to (insert team here) while they can sign me, rather than ask them to wait and see if I get signed by Washington AFTER they deal Cousins.

And by the way, If Denver is interested, and we have him tagged and he signed it.... the beating we took on the Bailey trade will look like a love tap by comparison.

 

[Sharkinva]

- The Washington Postif-redskins-tag-kirk-cousins-it-would-show-how-petty-bruce-allen-can-be/?utm_term=.2dea46a8c2ae

Perspective | If Redskins tag Kirk Cousins, it would show how petty Bruce Allen can be

 

[chillerdab]

That article is hot garbage.

"Business decisions" work both ways.

If KC refuses to sign, then the redskins can wait until after the draft, or at least until the other qb needy teams sign somebody else, then rescind the tag.

Since it supposedly has to be the exclusive franchise tag, KC and his agent won't be able to negotiate with other teams until KC signs the tender.

I like a few of the Post columnists, but Rick Snider has sucked moose dong since he worked at the Times. Terrible writer.

 

[Sharkinva]

That article is hot garbage.

"Business decisions" work both ways.

If KC refuses to sign, then the redskins can wait until after the draft, or at least until the other qb needy teams sign somebody else, then rescind the tag.

Since it supposedly has to be the exclusive franchise tag, KC and his agent won't be able to negotiate with other teams until KC signs the tender.

I like a few of the Post columnists, but Rick Snider has sucked moose dong since he worked at the Times. Terrible writer.

So wait.. you would be OK with tieing up every drop of cap space just to TRY and get a 2nd round pick for a QB you dont even want here. And if he doesnt play ball you would forsake ANY chance of improving this team in order to sabotage his chances of going some place that wants him??

But its just business.... RIGHTTTT