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According to reports, Reds are ramping up negotiations with Miami about their all-star catcher Realmuto, and is possibly nearing a deal that would send at the minimum Johnathon India and Tucker Barnhart to Miami. Of course, other teams are also involved in trade talks with Miami for Realmuto, including the Padres, Dodgers and Braves, however, reports indicate that Reds are the most aggressive at this point in time.

Cincinnati is unwilling to part with Nick Senzel, Taylor Trammell and Hunter Greene, so the negotiations have begun with their last top 100 prospect India, and involved their Reds Gold Glove catcher from 2017, Tucker Barnhart.

A potential trade for Realmuto for the India, Barnhart and a potential other top 10 Reds Prospect could land the Cincinnati Reds with a potential lineup of:

LF Winker
2B Gennett
1B Votto
3B Suarez
C Realmuto
RF Puig
CF Senzel
SS Peraza

And a bench of: Kemp, Farmer, Schebler, Blandino and Cassali

This lineup could be a very scary proposition for opposing pitchers coming into hitter friendly GABP. Lots of All-Star and potential All-Star power in that lineup. Great OBP and power throughout the lineup.

If the Reds are not going to go out and overspend on an ace type pitcher like Dallas Keuchel, this could be their best option. Surround their improved pitching staff with a bunch of bombers to provide run support to guys that have no true ace of the staff. Of course, that logic only applies if some guys meet expectations, repeat past successes, and for goodness sake, stay healthy!

The Cincinnati Reds sure are making life for its fans exciting right now. Even as a guy who is starting to lose a little interest in baseball, I am very excited to see this team play and will even attend a few games this year. I have not been to a Reds game in like 5 years and only watched 10-15 games on tv last year. This year may be different with this type of potential lineup.

Also, check out what Forbes (the magazine) is saying about the Cincinnati Reds...

Why The Reds Should Be Everyone's Favorite Baseball Team Right Now
 

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I guess I don't have strong opinions on trade rumors.

IMO, Realmuto is not the guy they need to pursue, but if it makes for hot stove reading, it's harmless. Methinks Miami is trying to jack up the price and so long as the Reds don't find themselves competing with their own offer, it's a conversation.

The 2018 data said Realmuto was worth 4 wins and Barnhart was worth about 1 win. So that would be an upgrade, but since Senzel might be worth 3 wins, and Hamilton was worth none, the difference is a push.

Do you give up 6 years of India for 2 years of Realmuto?
 

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I guess I don't have strong opinions on trade rumors.

IMO, Realmuto is not the guy they need to pursue, but if it makes for hot stove reading, it's harmless. Methinks Miami is trying to jack up the price and so long as the Reds don't find themselves competing with their own offer, it's a conversation.

The 2018 data said Realmuto was worth 4 wins and Barnhart was worth about 1 win. So that would be an upgrade, but since Senzel might be worth 3 wins, and Hamilton was worth none, the difference is a push.

Do you give up 6 years of India for 2 years of Realmuto?

Who says it has to be for 2 years only? There is two years available to talk him into a contract extension, and after playing a season in hitter friendly GABP versus Miami, he may be more open to that.

Plus, yes, losing 6 years of India is worth 2 years of Realmuto, as Votto, Senzel, Peraza and Suarez are going to be in those infield spots for a long time. An All-Star catcher that will hit 30+ homers in GABP and help anchor the middle of that lineup is worth it.

You probably lose Puig (nearly $10 mill) and Wood (probably around $12 mill) next year, even with the qualifying offers, which will give you more than enough to extend Realmuto if necessary. Plus Scooter (nearly $10 mill), Kemp (costing Reds $10 mill this year) and Roark ($10 mill) will be gone as well. So even if you lose all those guys, you are still looking at more than enough cash (nearly $52 million being freed up) for Realmuto and a starting lineup of:

LF Winker
2B Senzel
1B Votto
3B Suarez
C Realmuto
RF Schebler
CF Trammell
SS Peraza

Will have to work on that starting rotation again next year, but there will be some pretty outstanding ace pitchers available next year in free agency, plus you will have seen how a few young guys progress for the starting rotation, like Mahle and Reed. Plus, Santillian may have brought his name into discussion by then.

I think Realmuto would be an excellent sign, as he is still affordable, give him a year to enjoy hitting in GABP, and we will have plenty of money next year to extend him beyond that last year of contract.
 

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If you can do an extension, that changes the conversation. If he sees himself as a more valuable player, maybe not. Depends on his agent. I think dealing India isn't the worst strategy. He doesn't have a position unless Senzel blows them away in CF, which is possible.

Somebody will play 2B eventually.

It's an interesting conversation. As I said, it's still a rumor.

Personally, I'd toss Puig into a trade with the Fish.
 

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Honestly, Puig I wouldn't mind keeping around beyond this year.

2020 Lineup with extensions
C Realmuto (extend him for 4 - 6 years after 2019 - buy out last arby year - 12 to 15 mill a year?)
1B Votto (signed through 2024)
2B Senzel (through 2024)
3B Suarez (through 2025)
SS Peraza (through 2022)
LF Winker (through 2023)
CF Trammell (through 2025)
RF Puig (extend him to 3 to 4 years) 10-12 mill a year?

That is a pretty formidable lineup and not bad defensively. Winker a bit weak in LF, Trammell a good CF but weaker arm. Realmuto not a great pitch framer but solid defensively, and Votto getting older, but plays 1B so not a huge issue in range.

That is a pretty damn good offense and pretty good defense for several years if you can extend Realmuto and Puig.

That would be a lineup intact for a very long time, with first guy potentially leaving after 2022 in Peraza if the extensions worked out for Puig and Realmuto.

You know how much talent we could potentially stock pile in our minor league system through draft and international signings during that time period to help with transition from some players to others?
 

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Team friendly extensions are good business, I suppose, for a team that's as young as the Reds.

Puig is an intriguing option. He provides all the hitting that Hamilton doesn't provide and he's good enough in CF. I doubt he plays there, though, which puts Schebler in CF at least until the callup of Senzel, who will likely be stashed till June. Maybe not, I guess.


Cincy can be relevant this year, which might persuade some of these guys to discuss an extension.

Everything else is guesswork. The forecast is for 81 wins, plus or minus. I don't know if 88 is a reasonable goal, but 81 keeps them from selling off in July.

I think they may start giving Winker some reps at first base.
 

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Team friendly extensions are good business, I suppose, for a team that's as young as the Reds.

Puig is an intriguing option. He provides all the hitting that Hamilton doesn't provide and he's good enough in CF. I doubt he plays there, though, which puts Schebler in CF at least until the callup of Senzel, who will likely be stashed till June. Maybe not, I guess.


Cincy can be relevant this year, which might persuade some of these guys to discuss an extension.

Everything else is guesswork. The forecast is for 81 wins, plus or minus. I don't know if 88 is a reasonable goal, but 81 keeps them from selling off in July.

I think they may start giving Winker some reps at first base.

That is an interesting thought on Winker at 1st. I don't think he has ever played infield. It certainly would reduce the harm that his range presents. However, you know Votto is going to get a majority of the reps there with his immovable contract and status on the team.

I am not sure how this team will do because it still is dependent on pitching and the quality of that pitching. However, they should be very exciting offensively and they at least gave themselves a chance by upgrading pitching this off season even if it was mid-level quality pitching. Gray and Wood are risk / reward type deals though, especially Gray with his extensions. Reds are gambling on him returning to form.

However, I am excited about this team, and I know if the Reds land Realmuto, they will be talked about alot this season, especially with that offense in GABP. Could be the best offensive team in Cincinnati since the Big Red Machine.
 

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For sure, Barnhart can't catch as much as was expected of him last year. Casalli earned 2 starts a week but that's not an upgrade. I think Tucker's offense tanked `because of that but let's not forget -- Hamilton dragged down the offense a lot and him hitting 9th did nothing for lineup churn. So whatever now, that's past them.

The great catches are fun but they are still just outs. If not, they're doubles. I liked Billy but he was murdering this team with thst horribly slow bat.

Pitching now is in the hands of guys who have put up 200 innings, which isn't nothing. This is experience, unlike Castillo and Disco, who have never been there -- or haven't been there enough. Now, they can join the ranks of the veterans.

Bullpen upgrades, IMO, should be done in spring training, not in December, so we shall see there. Matt Bowman intrigues me.

Lots more to be interested about this year. Yeah, they should score more runs but I haven't seen a real leadoff guy emerge. I suspect they willl try Schebler or Peraza there. Winker would be my choice when he isn't platooned.
 

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For sure, Barnhart can't catch as much as was expected of him last year. Casalli earned 2 starts a week but that's not an upgrade. I think Tucker's offense tanked `because of that but let's not forget -- Hamilton dragged down the offense a lot and him hitting 9th did nothing for lineup churn. So whatever now, that's past them.

The great catches are fun but they are still just outs. If not, they're doubles. I liked Billy but he was murdering this team with thst horribly slow bat.

Pitching now is in the hands of guys who have put up 200 innings, which isn't nothing. This is experience, unlike Castillo and Disco, who have never been there -- or haven't been there enough. Now, they can join the ranks of the veterans.

Bullpen upgrades, IMO, should be done in spring training, not in December, so we shall see there. Matt Bowman intrigues me.

Lots more to be interested about this year. Yeah, they should score more runs but I haven't seen a real leadoff guy emerge. I suspect they willl try Schebler or Peraza there. Winker would be my choice when he isn't platooned.

Speaking of bullpen upgrades, non-roster invitee Ian Krol was signed to compete in camp for a left handed specialist job. He had good numbers last year in the Angels AAA system. Only made one major league appearance, pitched 2 shutout innings against the Yankees. Very low risk / potential high reward type of signing. I think that was a good sign / invite.
 

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Speaking of bullpen upgrades, non-roster invitee Ian Krol was signed to compete in camp for a left handed specialist job. He had good numbers last year in the Angels AAA system. Only made one major league appearance, pitched 2 shutout innings against the Yankees. Very low risk / potential high reward type of signing. I think that was a good sign / invite.
I sign every lefty not named Cingrani in hopes of being better than Wandy. I am no fan of the Loogy, but I don't manage a team either.
 

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I sign every lefty not named Cingrani in hopes of being better than Wandy. I am no fan of the Loogy, but I don't manage a team either.

Peralta was lights out in 2017 also. Have no idea why he fell off the rails. Worth a tryout for Krol anyways.

No news on Realmuto yet and I doubt there is for a long while as the Marlins are trying to fleece everyone interested. Can't say I blame them, but I really hope the Reds are not willing to include any of the following players: Senzel, Trammell, Greene, Winker, Suarez, Peraza, Votto, Puig. Now, I am not as enamored with Puig unless we can get him to sign a decent contract extension, especially with him only having one year left on his contract, but I can't imagine he is what the Marlins are looking for age or money wise and control ability.

We have young guys available to help make this move that are no longer prospects, but have a potentially bright future..Reed, Mahle, Romano plus guys like India, Mella, Santillian, Moss, Siri, etc.

I think if the Marlins want a haul, it would be steep, but I can live with it if Realmuto signs an extension:

INF India
C Barnhart
SP Romano
OF Siri
 

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If Miami wants to win more than 59 games, they need to get somebody who costs a little more than league minimum. Puig, as a Cuban, is a nice idea for Miami, but I could be stereotyping. He's not terribly expensive and is better than average as a hitter.

Waiting for an entire farm system to develop is likely to take 20 years. Miami should get two or three nice players for Realmuto and at least stop insulting the league. It's fuckin' Miami, not the middle of the universe.
 

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If Miami wants to win more than 59 games, they need to get somebody who costs a little more than league minimum. Puig, as a Cuban, is a nice idea for Miami, but I could be stereotyping. He's not terribly expensive and is better than average as a hitter.

Waiting for an entire farm system to develop is likely to take 20 years. Miami should get two or three nice players for Realmuto and at least stop insulting the league. It's fuckin' Miami, not the middle of the universe.

I hear what you are saying. However, Puig is making 9.5 million this year in his final year of arbitration. If the Reds extend a qualifying offer next year in order to get draft pick compensation, Puig is going to get an offer of the top 125 players average, which will be $17.9 million dollars. Now, Puig might be willing to sign a multi-year deal worth considerably less than that average on an annual basis, but he is no way just slightly over league minimum. Which is why I think Puig is outside of what Miami is wanting. Miami wants CHEAP controllable talent for many years.

India meets that.
Barnhart is signed to a cheap long term contract.
Romano still has 4 to 5 years of control left at league minimum with arby.
Siri is still 6 years of control ability and cheap.

I just don't see a one year contract before he hits FA, at nearly $10 million this year and potentially 10-15 million a year for a longer term contract what Miami is seeking. That is me though.
 

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I can see the value of the draft pick in Puig's case, which is probably what the Reds intend unless somebody blows them away. Puig doesn't anybody's outfield better, but he's not Xavier Paul either.


I guess projecting the Puig-Wood trade is fool's folly. In any case, Miami isn't contending this year or next and might be no better off than 4th when they do get to that point.
 

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John Fay is saying the contract extension needs to be in place. It sounds a little like Barnhart, India and one other player might get the Realmuto trade done.
 

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Looks like we are falling behind in the negotiations:

Are the Padres frontrunners for Realmuto?
Jan. 30: Amid recent rumors indicating about a half dozen teams are in the mix for Marlins All-Star catcher J.T. Realmuto, with the Dodgers and Padres thought to be leading the pack, a source told MLB.com's Jon Paul Morosi that San Diego is "more of a factor" than Los Angeles at this stage.



Jon Morosi @jonmorosi


In J.T. Realmuto trade talks, #Padres are more of a factor than #Dodgers at present, source confirms. @MLBNetwork @MLB
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The Padres have been connected with several prominent players both on the trade and free-agent markets this offseason, perhaps looking to accelerate their rebuild by adding premium talent at key positions. That includes Realmuto and superstar Manny Machado, in whom San Diego's interest is "very real" according to MLB.com's A.J. Cassavell.

Austin Hedges currently figures to be the Padres' starting catcher, but the club's options behind him are relatively inexperienced, in Francisco Mejia and Austin Allen. In terms of what the Padres can offer the Marlins in exchange for Realmuto, San Diego has one of baseball's very best farm systems, with 10 prospects on MLB Pipeline's Top 100 Prospects list, the most of any organization.

Doesn't sound like the Reds are making the necessary moves to land Realmuto, because they will not give up any of the big 3, and they don't have the depth in their system to cover what SD can. I would say we are dead in the water at this point, and I am okay with that to a degree, because I don't want the Reds to surrender any of the big 3. They are cornerstones.


I have also heard rumors that SD wouldn't do a trade either without an extension being in place with Realmuto.
 

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LA also just signed Russell Martin for backup so if they have a strategy, it appears more than one partner is being invited to the dance.
 

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Marlins can also hang onto the guy until July and dish him off to the team that is most desperate.

1. San Diego will improve but not contend this year, so they aren't likely to be desperate.
2. Unless Colorado is for real, who challenges the Dodgers this year?
3. Cincy will be relevant but hardly desperate.
4. That leaves St. Louis in the NL and maybe the Mets.

The Cards have Molina and Molina's jock strap. They are almost good enough to win it now. If Molina goes down, and I assume he's coming back, they might cough up something at the deadline.

The Mets are maybe close enough if they have another bat to go with what could be interstellar pitching.

In the AL, those divisions are already decided unless we think the Angels want to pretend again. Those guys would trade for lunar cheese if they thought it was expensive enough.

Outsiders: The Nationals might see some need if they lose Harper.

The point: Miami wants Fort Knox for the guy deemed the current best catcher in baseball. I don't know if anybody at this point sees that urgency without the contract extension, which apparently Realmuto's agent is opposing.

Miami is trying to manipulate the market. It's an OK strategy but Realmuto doesn't make a team a contender. He helps a contender. The Reds don't need him, not really. Not this year.
 
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