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Series Thread: Rangers shopping at Target for W's 8/11-8/13

Duane1952

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Why take Odor out of the second spot in the order. We were doing good with DDJ and him batting 1,2. Good move Banny.
 

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Another golden opportunity to pick up games on multiple teams in front of us wasted. This team doesn't have "it".

If by "it" you mean relievers who can throw strikes, then I'd say you're right. It seems more times than not they get behind hitters 2-0 and 3-1 by refusing to pound the strike zone, then they're forced to just groove one or walk the guy. You should never walk Kurt Suzuki. Ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. He is the very definition of a defensive punch it out there type hitter. He can't hurt you. The Twins have a TOTAL of 2 "power" hitters, Sano and Dozier. With the other 7, there should be no nibbling. Locate your damn secondary pitches, attack the zone, and your team wins.
 

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Two runs against this team? What an offense!

2 runs certainly isn't great, but this loss is 100% on Diekman and Patton. If your hitters stake you to a 2-run lead (doesn't matter if it's 2-0 or 10-8), that should be enough against an anemic offense like Minnesota for the bullpen to close it out.
 

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I was going to say with it 2-1 and the RHer up I would have liked to see us bring in a RH reliever. But I could not think who we could bring in as I forgot about Patton. Dieks was hit hard a number of times.

Sano hits .176 vs. LHP and .306 vs. RHP. Diekman was the right call going purely by the numbers.
 

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If by "it" you mean relievers who can throw strikes, then I'd say you're right. It seems more times than not they get behind hitters 2-0 and 3-1 by refusing to pound the strike zone, then they're forced to just groove one or walk the guy. You should never walk Kurt Suzuki. Ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. He is the very definition of a defensive punch it out there type hitter. He can't hurt you. The Twins have a TOTAL of 2 "power" hitters, Sano and Dozier. With the other 7, there should be no nibbling. Locate your damn secondary pitches, attack the zone, and your team wins.

No, that's not what I meant. By "it" I mean what it takes to win. They just aren't good enough as a whole. I think they're close, but this isn't the year.
 

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Sano hits .176 vs. LHP and .306 vs. RHP. Diekman was the right call going purely by the numbers.
Based on the balls that were being crushed including the outs those numbers go out the door. Diekman was fortunate to give up just 2 runs. His ball was straight as an arrow and his breaking ball was never a strike.
 

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If by "it" you mean relievers who can throw strikes, then I'd say you're right. It seems more times than not they get behind hitters 2-0 and 3-1 by refusing to pound the strike zone, then they're forced to just groove one or walk the guy. You should never walk Kurt Suzuki. Ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. He is the very definition of a defensive punch it out there type hitter. He can't hurt you. The Twins have a TOTAL of 2 "power" hitters, Sano and Dozier. With the other 7, there should be no nibbling. Locate your damn secondary pitches, attack the zone, and your team wins.
Agree. You have to come in and be able to throw strikes. That is a problem with Diekman. Love his velocity but there is a reason he had an over 5 ERA in the NL.
 

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I know it probably would not be the same but would love to have Cruz and his 34 HRs and 70 RBIs on an offensively challenged team like Seattle and Chris Davis and his 31 HRs and 83 RBIs. Just dreaming. Our guys who are supposed to be run producers are in a power funk.
 

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Agree. You have to come in and be able to throw strikes. That is a problem with Diekman. Love his velocity but there is a reason he had an over 5 ERA in the NL.

Kirkmanesque
 

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I know it probably would not be the same but would love to have Cruz and his 34 HRs and 70 RBIs on an offensively challenged team like Seattle and Chris Davis and his 31 HRs and 83 RBIs. Just dreaming. Our guys who are supposed to be run producers are in a power funk.
We could have Davis next year if we spend for him in free agency in a few months.
 

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We could have Davis next year if we spend for him in free agency in a few months.

Problem is, which Davis do you get from one year to the next?

Good Davis: 2008, 2012-2013 & 2015

or Bad Davis: 2009-2011 & 2014

I wouldn't be willing to throw big money at a guy that is so inconsistent from one year to the next, except in one area.... strikeouts and to a degree HRs
 

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unfortunately for you guys, diekman sucks. he'll impress every now and then with his heat, but he always has his control issues and flat fastball that never leave him far from getting touched up. he's definitely not someone you want to trust in the 8th+ inning moving forward. personally, i didn't trust him in any spot and couldn't wait for him to get demoted (happened earlier in the year, but he was brought back up.)
 

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Agree. You have to come in and be able to throw strikes. That is a problem with Diekman. Love his velocity but there is a reason he had an over 5 ERA in the NL.

That was clearly the outlier. Look at is career numbers.
 

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That was clearly the outlier. Look at is career numbers.
In 2012 and 2014 his ERA was almost 4 and his control was much better in 2014 but not so much in 2012. When I was watching his fastball last night it started to remind me of Tim Crabrtree who could hit the high 90's but the pitch was still hittable because of not much movement. I mean those guys were teeing off on those pitches last night. I am not saying forget the guy but I think we will have to have a guy soft tossing out there in the BP when we bring him in. The way they were hitting him I don't care what the numbers say on Sano get someone else in there. And if Banny is going to start throwing out numbers of a RH hitter doing worse against LH pitching well those same stats go out the door everytime we bring Freeman in to face a LHer.
 

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Problem is, which Davis do you get from one year to the next?

Good Davis: 2008, 2012-2013 & 2015

or Bad Davis: 2009-2011 & 2014

I wouldn't be willing to throw big money at a guy that is so inconsistent from one year to the next, except in one area.... strikeouts and to a degree HRs
The 2014 bad year is the one that makes it hard to spend big money on him. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in those years where we used him sporadically at times. It does take some guys a little longer to get acclimated to the big league. Cruz for example was one of those. So I will look past his early career struggles. Even our front office acknowledged that they knew he needed more consistent playing time to succeed than we were giving him back when we traded him.

The 2014 year is the one that you have to be concerned with. On the other hand it is one year in four so overall that isn't too bad. That might make him more affordable than acquiring another power hitter without any warts at all.
 

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With all this conversation re: Chris Davis, is there some thought the Rangers are interested in bringing him back? Or, are we just bantering about?
 

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With all this conversation re: Chris Davis, is there some thought the Rangers are interested in bringing him back? Or, are we just bantering about?

Think its just hopeful banter, sure would look good hitting 40 hr's a season in a Ranger uniform though
 

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Think its just hopeful banter, sure would look good hitting 40 hr's a season in a Ranger uniform though

Pretty sure Gallo will be a Davis type guy, maybe better, and for a lot cheaper.
 

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Pretty sure Gallo will be a Davis type guy, maybe better, and for a lot cheaper.

Hoping he is, time will tell. Cheaper now for sure. If he ends up where he's projected, his FA contract with inflation will be astronomical. Our big oil tycoon owners better hope oil gets back above $40 a barrel, if they want to be in the running to pay him then.
 

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Hoping he is, time will tell. Cheaper now for sure. If he ends up where he's projected, his FA contract with inflation will be astronomical. Our big oil tycoon owners better hope oil gets back above $40 a barrel, if they want to be in the running to pay him then.

I on the other hand don't give a shit if it ever gets above $40 a barrel again.
 
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