Series Thread: Rangers Host The Diamondbacks July 16-17

[Nightcrawler]

Haha!!!

What a mistake JD made to bring in miller, smyly, and volquez.

 

[PhantomWarrior]

I wouldn't give up on Guzman now, but I think he needs to make some major improvements well before the end of next year.

I agree but a few weeks at AAA might just do the trick.

 

[PhantomWarrior]

MLB Trade Rumors: Mike Minor, Hunter Pence could be moved

MLB Trade Rumors: Mike Minor, Hunter Pence, Shawn Kelley and Asdrubal Cabrera are among the veterans that the Texas Rangers could move in the next week-plus, according to Jim Bowden, who says that Chris Woodward had a team meetingbefore the second half started to say that if they played well in the second half of July, the team would be buyers, but if they didn’t, the Rangers would likely be selling.

It makes sense for Woodward to address the issue with the team, given that buy-or-sell talk is swirling and he’s emphasizing communications with the players, and Woodward reportedly is planning on talking to individual players whose names have come up in trade talks. That being said, with the Rangers having lost their last four in a row after winning their first two games post-break against Houston, and with a grueling road trip coming up, its not unreasonable to think the players may be seeing the writing on the wall, barring a sudden hot stretch.

Dan Szymborski writes today at Fangraphs that the Rangers’ playoff chances are so slim, even if they were to be buyers, that the team should be looking to move Mike Minor for a quality package — especially since their window is just starting to open, rather than close. Jon Morosi saysthe Atlanta Braves are “open” to bringing Minor, who was originally drafted by the Braves, back to where his career started, and as we discussed yesterday, Atlanta seems like the ideal match for the Rangers, given Atlanta has a deep farm system with a lot of top end talent.

With Pence, one can argue that his presence and influence in the clubhouse makes him more valuable for the Rangers than whatever fringe prospect you would expect to get from him, but dealing Pence would open up a starting spot at DH or left field for Willie Calhoun, and the intangible aspects Pence brings to the table would seem to enhance what you could get for him via a trade. Two months of a guy who is a quality bat as well as an 80 makeup person could bring back more in a deal than one would think, particularly given Pence is making very little in salary.

As has been discussed at length before, the elimination of post-July 31 waiver deals means that guys like Pence, Cabrera and Kelley — who might be held on to into August in previous years with the belief they’d likely clear waivers and be able to be dealt closer to September — will have to have calls made on them sooner rather than later. Kelley has an affordable 2020 team option, which means Texas doesn’t have to deal him, but that also means that he’s not necessarily purely a rental and thus may fetch more in return.

What the heck would we get for Cabrera?

 

[saddles]

What the heck would we get for Cabrera?

Maybe something similar to what we once gave up for guys like Franceour and Molina. In other words, Michael Main and Chris Ray or Joaquin Arias. Lol

 

[saddles]

What the heck would we get for Cabrera?

Or maybe we will luck out and get something similar to what we gave up for Christian Guzman. Now that would be nice.

Traded Ryan Tatusko (minors) and Tanner Roark to the Washington Nationals. Received Cristian Guzman.

 

[saddles]

I agree but a few weeks at AAA might just do the trick.

That's true.

 

[DT LUNA]

What a mistake JD made to bring in miller, smyly, and volquez.

Yes it was.

 

[Kelleyman]

Yes it was.

But not a huge monetary mistake. Odor extension is a little worse.

 

[darrylgann]

9 trade targets who could make big impact

5) Mike Minor, SP, Rangers

The Rangers are another team that, like the Giants, has surpassed expectations. General manager Jon Daniels still seems likely to trade his No. 1 starter, in part because of the demand for starting pitching. At 31, Minor is pitching the best baseball of his career, having allowed three runs or fewer in 16 of 19 starts while averaging 8.9 strikeouts per nine innings.

Contract: $9.83 million in 2019, $9.83 million in 2020, then free agency before the 2021 season

Potential landing spots: Minor makes sense for the Brewers and Astros, but he could end up being the most sought-after starter on the market, since the Boyd and Bumgarner discussions could get complicated.

Well, he’s not going to Houston. I want to see a very large truck of prospects if he goes there.

 

[saddles]

Phillies Continue To Have Interest In Mike Minor

With this in mind, the Phils would have to further deplete a minor league system that was already thinned out by some big offseason trades. Speculatively, Seidman writes that the Phillies might have to give up something like right-hander Spencer Howard, a young outfield piece (like Adam Haseley or former first overall pick Mickey Moniak), and probably a third prospect as well (if one of a lesser caliber) for Minor. Philadelphia has already received trade interest in Howard, its second-round pick from the 2017 draft who has thus far posted big strikeout numbers in his young career, though Seidman notes that the Phillies “have been uninterested in moving” Howard in response to these prior offers.

 

[saddles]

Well, he’s not going to Houston. I want to see a very large truck of prospects if he goes there.

Houston has the overall numbers 9, 10 and 11 prospects on MLB Pipeline.

 

[saddles]

Phillies Continue To Have Interest In Mike Minor

With this in mind, the Phils would have to further deplete a minor league system that was already thinned out by some big offseason trades. Speculatively, Seidman writes that the Phillies might have to give up something like right-hander Spencer Howard, a young outfield piece (like Adam Haseley or former first overall pick Mickey Moniak), and probably a third prospect as well (if one of a lesser caliber) for Minor. Philadelphia has already received trade interest in Howard, its second-round pick from the 2017 draft who has thus far posted big strikeout numbers in his young career, though Seidman notes that the Phillies “have been uninterested in moving” Howard in response to these prior offers.

None of these guys are top 100 prospects.

 

[PhantomWarrior]

Or maybe we will luck out and get something similar to what we gave up for Christian Guzman. Now that would be nice.

Traded Ryan Tatusko (minors) and Tanner Roark to the Washington Nationals. Received Cristian Guzman.

Maybe Cabrera for cash to cover sending Roogie on waivers. Hey one could only hope some team would fall for that. Two years ago the Yankees might have but not now.

My cousin big Yankees fan keeps telling me the Yankees minors are packed with talent for a Minor deal.

 

[thefriscokid]

Houston has the overall numbers 9, 10 and 11 prospects on MLB Pipeline.

Doubtful they would build us up with any of those.

 

[Kelleyman]

Doubtful they would build us up with any of those.

They have been vocal about Tucker I believe being off limits. I would rather do business with the Braves if we move him

 

[Bmurph]

None of these guys are top 100 prospects.

No thanks

 

[Bmurph]

Houston has the overall numbers 9, 10 and 11 prospects on MLB Pipeline.

Profar was once a #1 and we screwed that up

 

[Senator_fan]

JD is not going to get much for Minor. The Astros did not give up any of their top prospects when they acquired Garret Cole.
Just because teams have top prospects doesn’t mean they will give them up.

 

[romeo212000]

Profar was once a #1 and we screwed that up

Boy did we ever. Thanks Wash.

 

[Bmurph]

JD is not going to get much for Minor. The Astros did not give up any of their top prospects when they acquired Garret Cole.
Just because teams have top prospects doesn’t mean they will give them up.

Then he doesn't need to be moved. He has the rest of this year and another year of control at less than 10 million a year. If a team isn't willing to pay up for that, then he needs to stay. Plain and simple