Random FF Thoughts

[MilkSpiller22]

It makes sense to me. The future, in my experience, tends to become the present at some point.

The Packers are probably pretty happy they spent a first on Jordan Love even though he sat for two years.

My only thought is the Falcons could have traded down several slots and still gotten Penix.

(And I will continue to register my disappointment that the Bears didn't trade down for Penix, when they could have gotten a king's ransom and also what I think will turn out to be a more solid all-around QB and a good fit for the windy city. Not a Bears fan especially; I just think it would have been good for the NFL.)

There is a huge difference between a top 10 pick and a mid to late first rounder.

 

[averagejoe]

There is a huge difference between a top 10 pick and a mid to late first rounder.

Does Brock Purdy or Tom Brady feel the same? Maybe from a "potential" aspect. But "reality" is, well, real.

 

[averagejoe]

And i'll double down on my view of Aiyuk. Its a good argument that WR are getting paid, and there may be nothing out of the ordinary that he wants to cash in. Look Aiyuk is gonna get a pay raise based on his contract.

But how many vets want to be on a championship team? He is on one. The 49ers do not need Aiyuk to win - think Shanny proved that he could rotate just about anyone in there.

Just doesnt seem like a "team" guy. Call me a prude.

 

[wilwhite]

There is a huge difference between a top 10 pick and a mid to late first rounder.

According to the NFL trade value chart purportedly used by GMs (NFL Draft Trade Value Chart – WalterFootball), the top 3 are the real value. The value drop from #3 to #4 is bigger than the value drop from #8 to #15.

 

[eaglesnut]

And i'll double down on my view of Aiyuk. Its a good argument that WR are getting paid, and there may be nothing out of the ordinary that he wants to cash in. Look Aiyuk is gonna get a pay raise based on his contract.

But how many vets want to be on a championship team? He is on one. The 49ers do not need Aiyuk to win - think Shanny proved that he could rotate just about anyone in there.

Just doesnt seem like a "team" guy. Call me a prude.

He's a difference maker that the Niners have failed to unleash!

 

[averagejoe]

He's a difference maker that the Niners have failed to unleash!

Perhaps.
But the 9ers win with an unleashed Aiyuk.
Whats the goal here? Give Aiyuk unleashed receptions or win ball games?

As fantasy nuts, we try to figure out how players will be used. If we own shares of Aiyuk, sure, we want him unleashed. But thats not the goal of NFL teams which works against our personal fantasy projections.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Perhaps.
But the 9ers win with an unleashed Aiyuk.
Whats the goal here? Give Aiyuk unleashed receptions or win ball games?

As fantasy nuts, we try to figure out how players will be used. If we own shares of Aiyuk, sure, we want him unleashed. But thats not the goal of NFL teams which works against our personal fantasy projections.

not needing him to be "unleashed" to be good doesnt mean they wont be a better team with him "unleashed"....

and chances are if they do dial back on McCaffrey(but they always say they plan on doing this), they will need Aiyuk to step up more....

 

[averagejoe]

not needing him to be "unleashed" to be good doesnt mean they wont be a better team with him "unleashed"....

I would agree.

But 9ers personnel hasnt changed much. I dont see Aiyuk surpassing his 2023 numbers. I would guess he doesnt make it to 1300 recieving yards either. Shanny is gonna do things his way. Plain and simple.

Maybe using CMC less (i heard that too), or an older Kittle (who seems to hit peaks and valleys). But Shanny has shown he can plug in anyone and move the chains.

I mean, admit it, we shy away (or rank them lower), drafting players from teams that spread the ball around too much. Or not the guys we think they should.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I would agree.

But 9ers personnel hasnt changed much. I dont see Aiyuk surpassing his 2023 numbers. I would guess he doesnt make it to 1300 recieving yards either. Shanny is gonna do things his way. Plain and simple.

Maybe using CMC less (i heard that too), or an older Kittle (who seems to hit peaks and valleys). But Shanny has shown he can plug in anyone and move the chains.

I mean, admit it, we shy away (or rank them lower), drafting players from teams that spread the ball around too much. Or not the guys we think they should.

i agree... i even said in another thread that i am biased against aiyuk... basically for this reason... team spreads the ball, team is a run first offense... and as much as we love purdy, he is not really a high flying yardage QB... dont like using the term system QB, but he kind of is one...

 

[TREFF]

I would agree.

But 9ers personnel hasnt changed much. I dont see Aiyuk surpassing his 2023 numbers. I would guess he doesnt make it to 1300 recieving yards either. Shanny is gonna do things his way. Plain and simple.

Maybe using CMC less (i heard that too), or an older Kittle (who seems to hit peaks and valleys). But Shanny has shown he can plug in anyone and move the chains.

I mean, admit it, we shy away (or rank them lower), drafting players from teams that spread the ball around too much. Or not the guys we think they should.

Kittles peaks and valleys are, imho, %100 attributed to gameplan/game flow. I have zero doubts in my mind, that if the Niners needed him like the patriots needed Gronk, or like the Chiefs need Kelce, he'd be much much more consistent. He's not streaky, his usage is.

Which is just more evidence to the point of all those Niners being somewhat interchangeable as far as who will be the fantasy stud any given week.

 

[leftypower]

And i'll double down on my view of Aiyuk. Its a good argument that WR are getting paid, and there may be nothing out of the ordinary that he wants to cash in. Look Aiyuk is gonna get a pay raise based on his contract.

But how many vets want to be on a championship team? He is on one. The 49ers do not need Aiyuk to win - think Shanny proved that he could rotate just about anyone in there.

Just doesnt seem like a "team" guy. Call me a prude.

OK - prude I'm sure you have the numbers to prove that statement as a fact ? Regardless - I'd still take him over Waddle as long as Treek is still a 'phin.

 

[eaglesnut]

Perhaps.
But the 9ers win with an unleashed Aiyuk.
Whats the goal here? Give Aiyuk unleashed receptions or win ball games?

As fantasy nuts, we try to figure out how players will be used. If we own shares of Aiyuk, sure, we want him unleashed. But thats not the goal of NFL teams which works against our personal fantasy projections.

It works against Aiyuk's money.

"If you don't want to feature me, then trade me. You fucking wasting me here."

 

[eaglesnut]

I would agree.

But 9ers personnel hasnt changed much. I dont see Aiyuk surpassing his 2023 numbers. I would guess he doesnt make it to 1300 recieving yards either. Shanny is gonna do things his way. Plain and simple.

Maybe using CMC less (i heard that too), or an older Kittle (who seems to hit peaks and valleys). But Shanny has shown he can plug in anyone and move the chains.

I mean, admit it, we shy away (or rank them lower), drafting players from teams that spread the ball around too much. Or not the guys we think they should.

Now it sounds like you agree with Aiyuk. Aiyuk wouldn't draft himself in fantasy. He knows he's not being used enough.

 

[averagejoe]

Now it sounds like you agree with Aiyuk. Aiyuk wouldn't draft himself in fantasy. He knows he's not being used enough.

Not changing.

I may have gotten too wordy but my stance has been (1) his rookie contract expires after 2024 so he will be paid - if not by SF, by a team in FA, and (2) he plays on the best reigning NFC team that has a chance to win a title yet he wants out.

To me, seems like he has a chance to get what few players have - money and a title. So I am questioning his motives which calls into question his character.

 

[TREFF]

Not changing.

I may have gotten too wordy but my stance has been (1) his rookie contract expires after 2024 so he will be paid - if not by SF, by a team in FA, and (2) he plays on the best reigning NFC team that has a chance to win a title yet he wants out.

To me, seems like he has a chance to get what few players have - money and a title. So I am questioning his motives which calls into question his character.

The only caveat I would add is that we truly have no idea what he had, or hasn't been offered, or even 'promised' to be offered. Maybe SF honestly does have no intention of paying him? In which case, he'd have the chance for the title, but we don't know for %100 certain that money and a title are in cars for him in SF.

Logic and common sense would say that the Niners will pay him, so I'm is face, is wholeheartedly agree. But the possibility exists that what we don't know for sure, might be preventing that

 

[TREFF]

The only caveat I would add is that we truly have no idea what he had, or hasn't been offered, or even 'promised' to be offered. Maybe SF honestly does have no intention of paying him? In which case, he'd have the chance for the title, but we don't know for %100 certain that money and a title are in cars for him in SF.

Logic and common sense would say that the Niners will pay him, so I'm is face, is wholeheartedly agree. But the possibility exists that what we don't know for sure, might be preventing that

Let's try that again...geesh

The only caveat I would add is that we truly have no idea what he had, or hasn't been offered, or even 'promised' to be offered. Maybe SF honestly does have no intention of paying him? In which case, he'd have the chance for the title, but we don't know for %100 certain that money and a title are in cards for him in SF.

Logic and common sense would say that the Niners will pay him, so on its face, I'd wholeheartedly agree. But the possibility exists that what we don't know for sure, might be preventing that

 

[averagejoe]

we don't know for %100 certain that money and a title are in cards for him in SF.

I would disagree. Titles for any team are never a sure thing. But the money?

Whether he is franchised or allowed to walk in FA, can anyone think of a time when a top-rated WR has not been given a king's ransom?

Saw a projection he'd get 4-year deal for $104 mill or about $26 mill a year. That doesnt include guaranteed money.

And if the Niners win a SB, his value goes up in the offseason.

The dude just needs to be patient.

 

[TREFF]

I would disagree. Titles for any team are never a sure thing. But the money?

Whether he is franchised or allowed to walk in FA, can anyone think of a time when a top-rated WR has not been given a king's ransom?

Saw a projection he'd get 4-year deal for $104 mill or about $26 mill a year. That doesnt include guaranteed money.

And if the Niners win a SB, his value goes up in the offseason.

The dude just needs to be patient.

But have the Niners offered big money? Or even promised to offer big money? We don't know that as a fact. And while a title obviously isn't assured, there's only one team that has a more realistic shot than where he's at.
So while yes, we can assume SF will pay him, and say that his best shot at a ring and getting paid combined, is to stay where he is, it is just that an assumption the sf is willing to pay him.

Marquis Hollywood Brown comes to mind as a somewhat equivalent talent who got traded rather than offered a second contract by the team who drafted him. Jerry juedy also, Tee Higgins might join that list.

Oh...AJ Brown too

 

[averagejoe]

Marquis Hollywood Brown comes to mind as a somewhat equivalent talent who got traded rather than offered a second contract by the team who drafted him. Jerry juedy also, Tee Higgins might join that list.

Oh...AJ Brown too

Thats the great unknown.
How does SF see Aiyuk?
They say the politically correct things. They may not throw him under the bus to the media. But behind closed doors, maybe there are lockerroom issues, or insubordination issues that just grind at the coaches.

Or maybe they just feel their bar of what they expect is not where his bar is. I would throw Jeudy in the latter.

 

[averagejoe]

If youve played team sports at any level, then you can probably relate there was always a couple guys who had more talent than anyone else, but they were the least disciplined, they argued with players and coaches, and they treated practice like a joke.

They were the reason you won but they were also the reason the team lost. Because doing something for "the team" was a foreign concept.

What did Mike Singeltary say? "Dont need 'em."