Random FF Thoughts

[leftypower]

Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Jordan Addison was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence, authorities said Sunday, according to Luca Evans of the Los Angeles Daily News.
Addison was arrested late Friday night and released around two hours later early Saturday morning.
Officers found the USC product "asleep behind the wheel" while blocking a lane on a freeway near Los Angeles International Airport, according to the police report.
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I think my goal next yr will be to only draft young guys who do not drive. ..... between him and Rashee Rice - my decisions are going well this offseason. .... dumbasses.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Jordan Addison was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence, authorities said Sunday, according to Luca Evans of the Los Angeles Daily News.
Addison was arrested late Friday night and released around two hours later early Saturday morning.
Officers found the USC product "asleep behind the wheel" while blocking a lane on a freeway near Los Angeles International Airport, according to the police report.
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I think my goal next yr will be to only draft young guys who do not drive. ..... between him and Rashee Rice - my decisions are going well this offseason. .... dumbasses.

How drunk are you to fall asleep on the freeway and end up blocking a lane? Wow.

 

[leftypower]

How drunk are you to fall asleep on the freeway and end up blocking a lane? Wow.

 

[TREFF]

I'm amazed y'all are dismissing Stafford.

Age aside, dude is playing for a new contract and has a lethal offense.

Atlanta management is still trying to figure out what to do with their offense.

Not to mention what they've done hurting Cousins with Penix.

8th pick in the first round, guys.

Not dismissing Stafford at all , just that joe was specifically targeting Cousins, so we were talking about him.

In a non- dynasty setting, I've got them basically the exact same value. I'd take Stafford over Cousins in a keeper type league.

If everything isn't 'better than average- great' for Cousins this year, it could be his last hurrah

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Not to mention what they've done hurting Cousins with Penix.

8th pick in the first round, guys.

I think the Falcons were trying to announce to the league that they won't have top 10 draft capital going forward and that they won't pay a ransom to acquire one in the next couple seasons by taking a QB with their "last" early 1st rd pick that they assume they'll have.

 

[eaglesnut]

Not dismissing Stafford at all , just that joe was specifically targeting Cousins, so we were talking about him.

In a non- dynasty setting, I've got them basically the exact same value. I'd take Stafford over Cousins in a keeper type league.

If everything isn't 'better than average- great' for Cousins this year, it could be his last hurrah.

Bring Cousins in. Instant passing game success.

 

[averagejoe]

Re: Cousins & Penix (from 1 day ago).

Thought this was an honest and credible assessment of the Falcons QB room.

Also sounds like Cousins will be ready week 1.

Atlanta Falcons Training Camp Preview: Kirk Cousins Health, Michael Penix Jr. Role

As training camp nears, here's a look at the Atlanta Falcons' quarterback room.

www.si.com

 

[eaglesnut]

Re: Cousins & Penix (from 1 day ago).

Thought this was an honest and credible assessment of the Falcons QB room.

Also sounds like Cousins will be ready week 1.

Atlanta Falcons Training Camp Preview: Kirk Cousins Health, Michael Penix Jr. Role

As training camp nears, here's a look at the Atlanta Falcons' quarterback room.

www.si.com

Cousins is only 35. Right in his prime.

 

[TREFF]

Cousins is only 35. Right in his prime.

Cousins will be 36 next month, right on the far edge of his prime.

FIFY

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Cousins will be 36 next month, right on the far edge of his prime.

FIFY

more like not prime no longer.... but then again, he was never mobile... so how much does age have to do with it??

 

[HaroldSeattle]

more like not prime no longer.... but then again, he was never mobile... so how much does age have to do with it??

While your legs go first your other reflexes start fading also with age also harder to recover from injury so I'd say age does have something to do with it. Also very much different environment for Cousins this season.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

While your legs go first your other reflexes start fading also with age also harder to recover from injury so I'd say age does have something to do with it. Also very much different environment for Cousins this season.

sure... but my point was more that it is a much slower decline... and even though 35 is outside of a general prime years, a stationary player probably has a much longer prime years... and 36 might still be part of it.... but who knows... it really is different in every single case...

 

[averagejoe]

...more Cousins/Penix...

Saw another article (but not looking for it), not sure if it came from the GM or Falcons personell, but because they signed Cousins, the ATL brass felt they would not be bad enough to pick that high in the draft moving forward which is another reason they used the 8th pick on their future QB.

imo that is good logic.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

...more Cousins/Penix...

Saw another article (but not looking for it), not sure if it came from the GM or Falcons personell, but because they signed Cousins, the ATL brass felt they would not be bad enough to pick that high in the draft moving forward which is another reason they used the 8th pick on their future QB.

imo that is good logic.

is that good logic?? or is it just the best logic we have found...

i mean there is a big whole in that logic... and that is that you think you are good enough now, and you are playing for now, but then make a pick for your future instead of for now....

 

[eaglesnut]

Cousins will be 36 next month, right on the far edge of his prime.

FIFY

And here I was assuming we'd have to look at recent data

Nope

Time isn't always the enemy for QBs over 35​

Published: Jul 09, 2013 at 07:33 AM

First I heard it on the radio...
"...Peyton Manning can't hold up for another season."
Then, while making the rounds in the newsroom. "So are the older quarterbacks due for a letdown this season?" asked NFL.com Fantasy Editor Michael Fabiano.
Fabs was inquiring specifically about Manning and Tom Brady. A lot of people are these days, considering that both their clubs are dependent on, shall we say, a non-erosion of their franchise quarterbacks' skill set. And, obviously, if you are one of the 35 million or so people playing fantasy this year, you might have a vested interest as well.
So here's the deal fans, radio hosts, and fantasy owners: there is no substantive data to suggest these guys are going down, at least not when you consider modern NFL history.
By modern, let's just take a swing and say from the 1970 merger on. In fact, there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that paints a pretty straightforward picture of what the 37- and 35-year old QBs will be doing. Look for both to have big seasons.

Each are Hall of Fame shoo-ins, so we should only hold up Hall of Fame-level guys as comparable examples, players who excelled from 35 (Brady's age) to 37 (Manning). Of the quarterbacks who've made the Hall of Fame that played the majority of their career since 1970 -- or are locks like Kurt Warner -- almost all have had multiple prolific seasons past age 35. In fact, the guys who didn't had retired by 35.
Warren Moon set a completions record (404) at Brady's age. Take a more recent example: Brett Favre, who threw for over 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns at age 35 in 2004. The former Packer is an appropriate QB to cite in regards to Brady, as he had to turn to a couple of receivers that year who were yet to have much as far as skins on the wall is concerned. Donald Driver had one 1,000-yard season in five years up to that point, and was coming off a 621-yard campaign. Javon Walker was an unknown commodity. Both ended up being monsters in '04, combining for nearly 2,600 yards and over 20 touchdowns ... thanks to Favre.
Meanwhile, Manning's boss, John Elway, was awesome at 35 as well. Elway tossed 26 touchdowns en route to a 3,970-yard campaign in 1995 -- his second-highest total ever. Let me tell you, 4,000 then was equivalent to about 5,000 now, given the rules changes. Like Brady will have to do this year, Elway accomplished his season with a great tight end (Shannon Sharpe), and his best receiver being an on-the-downside-of-his-career Anthony Miller. Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey were nobodies at that point.
We can go back farther, if you'd like ... as in, back to the '70s. Roger Staubach led the NFC in passer rating in at age 35, finished third in the NFL in touchdown passes, and even ran for three scores. At 36 -- which Brady will turn this year -- Staubach led the NFL in passing.
In 1979, when Staubach was the same age Manning is now, the former Cowboys ace set career-highs in passing yards, touchdowns, while leading the NFL in passing with a 92.3 passer rating. That was the equivalent of well over a 100 passer rating these days, given the liberties defensive backs could take while the ball was in the air as well as the unnecessary roughness allowed to pass rushers. Quarterbacks got punished 34 years ago, and yet Staubach played his guts out at 37 years old.
He's far from alone. One year prior to Staubach's career season in '79, Fran Tarkenton came back from significant injuries to lead the NFL in completions, attempts, and yards at age 38! The only downside (the old minus two in fantasy) was that he inexplicably threw a lot of picks. It should be noted, though, that when Tark was Brady's ripe old age of 35, all he did was lead the league in attempts, completions and touchdown passes ... and win an NFL MVP. Point is, age wasn't a factor. The man was productive.
No quarterback was ever more productive than Dan Marino. Like so many quarterbacks that played at a premium level, as Marino's body wore down with an Achilles tendon injury and knee issues, as well as failing arm strength, the game slowed down. Why? Because of a brain that could process the equivalent of what a decade and a half of playing pro football teaches a player with the highest level of talent. Essentially, the decision-making is faster than ever.

It's like playing Madden. Once you've played the games for years, you just know what receivers will be open on what routes without having to think about it. You're on autopilot, and call plays with a handful of Cool Ranch Doritos like it's nothing.
Speaking of playcalling, it should be noted that Marino's numbers did go down, but only because Jimmy Johnson was insistent on running the football (and playing defense.) Even still, at 36, Marino finished third in the NFL in passing yards. At 37 he was seventh in touchdowns and passing yards.
Similar to Marino, Brett Favre's body finally started showing signs of wear and tear in 2008, when he was 39. Yet, in 2009, despite moving around like a calcified sleestak, the Vikings quarterback threw for 33 touchdowns, only seven picks, and set a career high with a passer rating of 107.2 -- the only 100 passer rating of his career.
So what does this all mean? Well, that no matter how unathletic Manning looks right now, he can still get the job done. His arm won't allow 50-yard throws. No matter, he'll get it done with touch, like a 37-year old Joe Montana did with the Chiefs in 1993, leading them to their first-ever AFC Championship despite only starting 11 games.
On that note, injury is always a concern. But going over the Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks, only a few had major bouts with injury late in their career. For every Montana who missed some time, there's a Kurt Warner who started every game in 2008 at 37. He also threw for 4,500 yards and 30 touchdowns that season.
Injuries should actually be just as much a concern for the young quarterbacks who are getting all the publicity now. Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson and third-year vet Cam Newton all figure to go high in fantasy drafts this year, yet the slow-as-Danny Devito Manning could not only outscore them all, but lead his Broncos club to a better record. Part of that is because as much as those kids run with the football, they expose themselves to injury. Ask Robert Griffin III.
So whoever's saying these crusty Hall of Famers-to-be might slow down, tap the brakes. Hall of Fame quarterbacks of similar ilk to Manning and Brady in the modern era have mostly shown that only one thing truly slows them down in their late 30s: retirement.

 

[averagejoe]

i mean there is a big whole in that logic... and that is that you think you are good enough now, and you are playing for now, but then make a pick for your future instead of for now....

Isnt that the way NFL used to draft? Draft a QB when you DONT need him so he can learn? We definitely see the failings of teams that rush players who arent ready onto the field.

Now you want to make me find the article. It factored Penix being on a rookie deal, cap room in a couple seasons. From a coaching, training, financial, win-now, and yet prepare for the future scenario, the article did make sense that Atlanta was crossing all the Ts in a weak, winnable NFC South.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Isnt that the way NFL used to draft? Draft a QB when you DONT need him so he can learn? We definitely see the failings of teams that rush players who arent ready onto the field.

Now you want to make me find the article. It factored Penix being on a rookie deal, cap room in a couple seasons. From a coaching, training, financial, win-now, and yet prepare for the future scenario, the article did make sense that Atlanta was crossing all the Ts in a weak, winnable NFC South.

There is a difference between first round and top 10 pick.

 

[TREFF]

While your legs go first your other reflexes start fading also with age also harder to recover from injury so I'd say age does have something to do with it. Also very much different environment for Cousins this season.

It shouldn't be forgotten that he has been beaten up, a lot, throughout his career. I don't think he's ever had what could be considered a great oline

 

[SmokingMonkey]

...more Cousins/Penix...

Saw another article (but not looking for it), not sure if it came from the GM or Falcons personell, but because they signed Cousins, the ATL brass felt they would not be bad enough to pick that high in the draft moving forward which is another reason they used the 8th pick on their future QB.

imo that is good logic.

Found the article...

 

[wilwhite]

is that good logic?? or is it just the best logic we have found...

i mean there is a big whole in that logic... and that is that you think you are good enough now, and you are playing for now, but then make a pick for your future instead of for now....

It makes sense to me. The future, in my experience, tends to become the present at some point.

The Packers are probably pretty happy they spent a first on Jordan Love even though he sat for two years.

My only thought is the Falcons could have traded down several slots and still gotten Penix.

(And I will continue to register my disappointment that the Bears didn't trade down for Penix, when they could have gotten a king's ransom and also what I think will turn out to be a more solid all-around QB and a good fit for the windy city. Not a Bears fan especially; I just think it would have been good for the NFL.)