Q's 2nd Round Steals

[CitySushi]

if Ohio State wing Keita Bates-Diop drops to the 2nd round he will be a big time steal.

I"m starting to think there's no chance he slips that far. Think a lot of teams in the late teens could see him being a rotational piece right away because of his college experience.

 

[shopson67]

I'm curious to see where Billy Preston gets picked. I think he's too talented to go undrafted, but he seems to be off the radar for most mocks.

Other 2nd rounders I like are Milton, Trent JR, Hervey, Alize, Chimezie Metu, Melvin Frazier, Bruce Brown and Allonzo Trier. I think Bates-Diop and Simons likely go in the 1st, but would be strong value if they slide.

 

[The Q]

I was thinking Beverley, but similar idea. Carter actually shot pretty well from 3 and the line for the past two seasons, but dipped from 2 this past year.

Yes, Beverly is my comp as well.

Perfect comp.

I think part of the issues are that he has to do so much on O and D. I think not being the best player on the floor for his NBA is going to help him immensely.

 

[The Q]

I"m starting to think there's no chance he slips that far. Think a lot of teams in the late teens could see him being a rotational piece right away because of his college experience.

I could see a Minnesota taking him for sure. Their record is deceiving because of the injuries.

 

[wildturkey]

if Ohio State wing Keita Bates-Diop drops to the 2nd round he will be a big time steal.

He'll likely go higher imo but there's no way he'd get past the Warriors at #28. He's just the kind of wing player they need to replenish their bench.

 

[Mebert]

I think Hervey is only in the second because of injury concerns.

Favorite 2nd round pick is Gary Clark. I think 6'6" is turning people away, but rebounding rate is pretty consistent from college to pros and Clark can rebound. I think if he put in the work he could follow a similar arc to Paul Millsap. Maybe never that good, but a similar type.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Ariza had a horrible shot coming out of college and worked his way up to a really respectable one.

This is why I think Ball can develop into a respectable shooter and scorer.

 

[The Q]

This year's list I've lost a few guys to being late risers. But I'm taking THT because of this fact.

The Cripples
Chuma Okeke- guy is a future PJ Tucker. He's a lottery pick if he doesn't tear his ACL against UNC.

Jontay Porter: Another probably lottery pick without the torn ACL.

The Short Condors
Talen Horton-Tucker: he was a first rounder but he's completely dropped off the first round radar off most of the mocks i've seen. He's only 6-4 but has a 7-1 wing. it's an odd body, but it lets him have some serious defensive versatility. His youth is a big factor as well. He should get a lot better.

DaQuan Jeffries: He and Tucker are very similar. Like both. They're both super long despite short frames. This version is more likely to be a solid bench contirbutor, but he also dominated the pre-draft circuit.

The Big Guys
Nic Claxton: Excellent defensively and probably more of a rim runner than anything else on offense, but does have some playmaking ability not seen from centers.

Daniel Gafford: Analytics like him as a nice safe pick. Guy would've gone top 20 last year. Both he and Claxton could end up first rounders anyway. This draft has great big talent

The Nerd
Miye Oni: The Yale guy!! He's got plus skills in the dribble pass and shoot areas plus an almost 6-11 wingspan. He's an nba player

Multi-Skilled guards
Jeremiah Martin, Memphis
Cody Martin, Nevada
John Konchar

The first two have all the skills required to make it as a guard (like Oni). Konchar is an analytics darling from a small school who really struggled at Portsmouth. I'll take a swing this late.

The Strong Long Shot
Alen Smailagic: An analytics darling who is one of the youngest guys in the draft who played straight to the G League. Great blocks and steals. He's long as hell. The Warriors have tried to hide him. He's likely the reason they bought the 41st pick.

 

[Robotech]

This year's list I've lost a few guys to being late risers. But I'm taking THT because of this fact.

The Cripples
Chuma Okeke- guy is a future PJ Tucker. He's a lottery pick if he doesn't tear his ACL against UNC.

Jontay Porter: Another probably lottery pick without the torn ACL.

The Short Condors
Talen Horton-Tucker: he was a first rounder but he's completely dropped off the first round radar off most of the mocks i've seen. He's only 6-4 but has a 7-1 wing. it's an odd body, but it lets him have some serious defensive versatility. His youth is a big factor as well. He should get a lot better.

DaQuan Jeffries: He and Tucker are very similar. Like both. They're both super long despite short frames. This version is more likely to be a solid bench contirbutor, but he also dominated the pre-draft circuit.

The Big Guys
Nic Claxton: Excellent defensively and probably more of a rim runner than anything else on offense, but does have some playmaking ability not seen from centers.

Daniel Gafford: Analytics like him as a nice safe pick. Guy would've gone top 20 last year. Both he and Claxton could end up first rounders anyway. This draft has great big talent

The Nerd
Miye Oni: The Yale guy!! He's got plus skills in the dribble pass and shoot areas plus an almost 6-11 wingspan. He's an nba player

Multi-Skilled guards
Jeremiah Martin, Memphis
Cody Martin, Nevada
John Konchar

The first two have all the skills required to make it as a guard (like Oni). Konchar is an analytics darling from a small school who really struggled at Portsmouth. I'll take a swing this late.

The Strong Long Shot
Alen Smailagic: An analytics darling who is one of the youngest guys in the draft who played straight to the G League. Great blocks and steals. He's long as hell. The Warriors have tried to hide him. He's likely the reason they bought the 41st pick.

Yeah, you might be right about the reason the Warriors bought the 41st pick. I could see some team using a pick in the 50's to take Smailagic just to screw the Warriors, but would a team do that with a pick that is 40 or higher?

 

[The Q]

Yeah, you might be right about the reason the Warriors bought the 41st pick. I could see some team using a pick in the 50's to take Smailagic just to screw the Warriors, but would a team do that with a pick that is 40 or higher?

I could see Philly doing it if they don’t move up. Analytics wise he’s fascinating. Those blocks and steals are incredible. And be he’s so young.

 

[jontaejones]

This year's list I've lost a few guys to being late risers. But I'm taking THT because of this fact.

The Cripples
Chuma Okeke- guy is a future PJ Tucker. He's a lottery pick if he doesn't tear his ACL against UNC.

Jontay Porter: Another probably lottery pick without the torn ACL.

The Short Condors
Talen Horton-Tucker: he was a first rounder but he's completely dropped off the first round radar off most of the mocks i've seen. He's only 6-4 but has a 7-1 wing. it's an odd body, but it lets him have some serious defensive versatility. His youth is a big factor as well. He should get a lot better.

DaQuan Jeffries: He and Tucker are very similar. Like both. They're both super long despite short frames. This version is more likely to be a solid bench contirbutor, but he also dominated the pre-draft circuit.

The Big Guys
Nic Claxton: Excellent defensively and probably more of a rim runner than anything else on offense, but does have some playmaking ability not seen from centers.

Daniel Gafford: Analytics like him as a nice safe pick. Guy would've gone top 20 last year. Both he and Claxton could end up first rounders anyway. This draft has great big talent

The Nerd
Miye Oni: The Yale guy!! He's got plus skills in the dribble pass and shoot areas plus an almost 6-11 wingspan. He's an nba player

Multi-Skilled guards
Jeremiah Martin, Memphis
Cody Martin, Nevada
John Konchar

The first two have all the skills required to make it as a guard (like Oni). Konchar is an analytics darling from a small school who really struggled at Portsmouth. I'll take a swing this late.

The Strong Long Shot
Alen Smailagic: An analytics darling who is one of the youngest guys in the draft who played straight to the G League. Great blocks and steals. He's long as hell. The Warriors have tried to hide him. He's likely the reason they bought the 41st pick.

I think Tremont Waters and Grant Williams.

Grant Williams is just a winner. Takes big shots, makes big shots.

Waters is a baller. Can score, and has vision. I'll always favor the guys who have shown me they can play the game, and aren't just a bunch of raw potential.

I believe that for a lot of NBA players a lot of what determines if they start on a decent team or are out of the league in a year is who gives them a chance to play.

Look at Fred Van Vleet. If things worked out a little differently, the guy could easily have been playing in Greece at this point...

 

[The Q]

I think Tremont Waters and Grant Williams.

Grant Williams is just a winner. Takes big shots, makes big shots.

Waters is a baller. Can score, and has vision. I'll always favor the guys who have shown me they can play the game, and aren't just a bunch of raw potential.

I believe that for a lot of NBA players a lot of what determines if they start on a decent team or are out of the league in a year is who gives them a chance to play.

Look at Fred Van Vleet. If things worked out a little differently, the guy could easily have been playing in Greece at this point...

willams i didn't have qualify. He's been solidly a late first rounder for the most part since march. He's probably a very late first rounder/early second now. I just tried to keep it to guys who seem to be firmly in round 2 right now.

I want him to succeed. I don't even like Tennessee, but he won me over with that heroic performance in OT in round 3. He's an odd ball guy who could work. But the analytics don't like him as much as I thought they would either.

 

[shopson67]

Surprised to see the two Syracuse players leaving early aren't really even on the 2nd round radar: Tyus Battle and Oshae Brissett. Brissett should've stayed, but Battle might be a nice sleeper at this point.

 

[The Q]

I think Tremont Waters and Grant Williams.

Grant Williams is just a winner. Takes big shots, makes big shots.

Waters is a baller. Can score, and has vision. I'll always favor the guys who have shown me they can play the game, and aren't just a bunch of raw potential.

I believe that for a lot of NBA players a lot of what determines if they start on a decent team or are out of the league in a year is who gives them a chance to play.

Look at Fred Van Vleet. If things worked out a little differently, the guy could easily have been playing in Greece at this point...

Danny Ainge...is that you?

 

[jontaejones]

Danny Ainge...is that you?

Heh, I wouldn't have picked Langford though. He showed flashes but makes Russell Westbrook look like Steve Nash.

 

[The Q]

Heh, I wouldn't have picked Langford though. He showed flashes but makes Russell Westbrook look like Steve Nash.

I’m wondering how much the hand injury was an issue for that.

That’s the big question

 

[The Q]

The 2020 Edition of second round steals:

Trevelin Queen - Sweet analytics guy. Shoots the 3, elite block and steal rates. His statistical projection is like Michael Carter-Williams with a 3 ball. But, he's older, small school competition. There's risk. But I'm loving the gamble.

Paul Reed- analytics beast. Legit 6-9, 220 pounds with a standing reach of 9-1. He can do it all....except shoot. Good rebounding and block rates. If Reed develops any kind of shot, he's a legit starter on a title team. Even without his shot there's a role for him as a small ball 5. He's taller than some of the center prospects going in round 1.

Payton Pritchard- Guy had a legit case to be NPOY this year. Analytically he checks a lot of box. Doesn't have a negative reach like Terry. He can be a reliable backup PG, a MLE caliber player.

Mason Jones- Starting to think the new market inefficiency is old guys. Jones projects to do a lot of good things in the NBA. He can shoot it, he can play some D. Those 2 things alone give him a chance. But, he also fouls a lot and turns the ball over too much. Playing with a good NBA PG would be huge for him to hopefully cut down on some of that.

Killian Tillie - if he stays healthy, he's probably a steal. the only reason he's on this list is injuries, it almost feels like cheating to include him. But a worthy gamble at some point.

Kaleb Wesson- a weird quandy. He's big, with a huge 7'2 wingspan. he can be a legit center. Plus he can shoot it, even from 3. He's got decent block and steal numbers. And supposedly has dropped some weight and looks great in work outs. And he can hit FTs at a decent clip (73%). But he's still not finishing well. part of that is his style, especially down low. He will need to work on that. But there are some tools here to carve out a nice career. Role could be a Brook Lopez type.

 

[Shanemansj13]

The 2020 Edition of second round steals:

Trevelin Queen - Sweet analytics guy. Shoots the 3, elite block and steal rates. His statistical projection is like Michael Carter-Williams with a 3 ball. But, he's older, small school competition. There's risk. But I'm loving the gamble.

Paul Reed- analytics beast. Legit 6-9, 220 pounds with a standing reach of 9-1. He can do it all....except shoot. Good rebounding and block rates. If Reed develops any kind of shot, he's a legit starter on a title team. Even without his shot there's a role for him as a small ball 5. He's taller than some of the center prospects going in round 1.

Payton Pritchard- Guy had a legit case to be NPOY this year. Analytically he checks a lot of box. Doesn't have a negative reach like Terry. He can be a reliable backup PG, a MLE caliber player.

Mason Jones- Starting to think the new market inefficiency is old guys. Jones projects to do a lot of good things in the NBA. He can shoot it, he can play some D. Those 2 things alone give him a chance. But, he also fouls a lot and turns the ball over too much. Playing with a good NBA PG would be huge for him to hopefully cut down on some of that.

Killian Tillie - if he stays healthy, he's probably a steal. the only reason he's on this list is injuries, it almost feels like cheating to include him. But a worthy gamble at some point.

Kaleb Wesson- a weird quandy. He's big, with a huge 7'2 wingspan. he can be a legit center. Plus he can shoot it, even from 3. He's got decent block and steal numbers. And supposedly has dropped some weight and looks great in work outs. And he can hit FTs at a decent clip (73%). But he's still not finishing well. part of that is his style, especially down low. He will need to work on that. But there are some tools here to carve out a nice career. Role could be a Brook Lopez type.

Wesson is interesting. He dropped weight last summer as well and it completed changed his game and was more mobile. Brook Lopez is a good comparison, he doesn't have the athleticism but he can bang bodies and he can has a very nice jumper.

 

[CitySushi]

I kind of like Cassius Stanley as a sleeper in this draft. Good size and scoring potential. Lots of upside I think.

 

[The Q]

I kind of like Cassius Stanley as a sleeper in this draft. Good size and scoring potential. Lots of upside I think.

He was next on the board for me. Just not very long.