Protein and workouts

[Forty_Sixand2]

GNC being a Pittsburgh company helps. You can basically name your own price at their waterfront and Edgewood store as they are basically tester stores.

 

[SDPaddlefish]

see i have heard varying things, that its 30 min-1 hr, and that the effects are the same within 24 hours

All I can tell you is that I followed the trainer's advice with great results. Remember that your overall diet is very important as well.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

see i have heard varying things, that its 30 min-1 hr, and that the effects are the same within 24 hours

The 30min thing is a myth. I took a couple of courses in grad school in metabolic nutrition and food chemistry (as well as physiology as an undergrad). You are good anytime in 24 hours.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Carbs however ARE important within the first hour or so.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Oh and water. That was the biggest take home I had from that shit was hat working out without hydration actually harms you more than it hurts you. Drink early, often and and consistently. Water is soooo important.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yes, I used to workout hard (lifting) w/ serious amateur bodybuilders who had a personal trainer who once trained pros. The easiest answer is that you take a whey protein shake w/i a half hour after lifting. Makes a significant difference in pretty short order if you're lifting pretty seriously.

I usually workout. Eat 20-30 minutes later, then drink a protein shake after I eat. Is that fine??

 

[NorthernLights88]

If you're talking about lifting, then yes, you need to get a decent amount of protein, whether it's all whole foods, or protein supplements as well. What determines the quality of your protein is first and foremost, it must have all 9 of the essential amino acids, or they won't get the job done. Proteins from most non-animal products (meat/dairy) do not contain all of the essential amino acids, which is why animal proteins are one of the best sources of protein. There are some sources of quality, whole proteins that aren't from animals, such as peanut butter, but it contains a ton of fat - yes, natural peanut butter contains some quality fats, but just because it's quality fat doesn't mean that it won't make you fat in excessive quanities. If you tried to base your protein intake off non-animal proteins, you'd generally have to do your research and figure out which plants/nuts you need to combine to get all 9 of the essentials by mixing sources.

You don't *need* protein supplements to build muscle mass. However, it is definitely a lot more convienient and can help in a lot of ways in those terms. I've seen some posts in here saying they "don't see the point of getting protein right after a workout", but I'll guarantee you those types of guys aren't legitimate lifters - maybe good overall shape, but they won't be that big and/or super strong ass dude in the gym whose putting up 350lbs+. I don't say that as an insult, but it's simply devoid of the facts. It's best to try to keep your lifting routines down to 45 minutes - 1 hour, then get the protein in you right away - it's when your muscles are begging for the fuel the most, and will make for the most efficient recovery. Whole food is generally considered preferable to protein shakes, but do you really want to drag quality lean meat or some other food to gym and eat it, or just chug down a quick shake?

It's also important to get protein throughout the day in general. Anything beyond 30 grams in a sitting (give at least 3 hours between meals) is a waste, as your body cannot metabolize anything more than that to be used for muscle recovery, so extra is stored as fat just like any other calorie and needs to be burned.

 

[NorthernLights88]

I know a few ppl who use it. They love it. Ive like it so far. its like 29.99 at GNC around here, but only 1 gnc sells it

Let me tell you, you don't want to waste your money at places like GNC, Vitamin World, and other "health shops", especially on lifting supplements. You're going to pay a lot extra to get the same shit from them that you can get online. Not to mention, they have (usually) completely uninformed sales staff who don't know crap about lifting, and even if they do, they try their best to get you to drop a ton of money on stupid gimmicky shit you don't need whatsoever.

 

[NorthernLights88]

I usually workout. Eat 20-30 minutes later, then drink a protein shake after I eat. Is that fine??

Depending on what you ate, namely how much protein it contained, your protein shake you drink immediately following the whole food meal might be a waste, or a partial waste. Basically, what you are describing includes the protein shake in the same meal, and anything altogether over 30 grams isn't going to help you with recovery, and will need to be burned off like every other calorie. Takes the body about 3 more hours or so in between meals to digest more protein for muscle recovery purposes.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

The 30 minute thing breaks the rules of metabolism, but whatever floats your boat, dude....

I believe doctors, coaches, professors and scientists in the field, not magazines and bros at the gym.

 

[JDM]

If you're talking about lifting, then yes, you need to get a decent amount of protein, whether it's all whole foods, or protein supplements as well. What determines the quality of your protein is first and foremost, it must have all 9 of the essential amino acids, or they won't get the job done. Proteins from most non-animal products (meat/dairy) do not contain all of the essential amino acids, which is why animal proteins are one of the best sources of protein. There are some sources of quality, whole proteins that aren't from animals, such as peanut butter, but it contains a ton of fat - yes, natural peanut butter contains some quality fats, (1)but just because it's quality fat doesn't mean that it won't make you fat in excessive quanities. If you tried to base your protein intake off non-animal proteins, you'd generally have to do your research and figure out which plants/nuts you need to combine to get all 9 of the essentials by mixing sources.

You don't *need* protein supplements to build muscle mass. However, it is definitely a lot more convienient and can help in a lot of ways in those terms. I've seen some posts in here saying they "don't see the point of getting protein right after a workout", but I'll guarantee you those types of guys aren't legitimate lifters - maybe good overall shape, but they won't be that big and/or super strong ass dude in the gym whose putting up 350lbs+. I don't say that as an insult, but it's simply devoid of the facts. It's best to try to keep your lifting routines down to 45 minutes - 1 hour, then get the protein in you right away -(2) it's when your muscles are begging for the fuel the most, and will make for the most efficient recovery. Whole food is generally considered preferable to protein shakes, but do you really want to drag quality lean meat or some other food to gym and eat it, or just chug down a quick shake?

It's also important to get protein throughout the day in general. Anything beyond 30 grams in a sitting (give at least 3 hours between meals) is a waste, as your body cannot metabolize anything more than that to be used for muscle recovery, so extra is stored as fat just like any other calorie and needs to be burned.

1. Literally anything with calories will make you fat if you eat too much of it.

2. I don't think the science backs that. Overwhelmingly what I have seen on the subject matches what 46&2 stated; regular protein and immediate sugar is more important. For what it's worth I was a wrestler, so I aimed for controlled bulk instead of absolute bulk, but I kept myself at 185 with a ~280 bench and ~600 squat, so I wasn't exactly small. I have no doubt that many heavy duty power lifters believe the protein immediately thing, but the science doesn't back it up.

 

[Shanemansj13]

So take the protein shake right after I workout for more effective results. Only problem with that it takes me 15 minutes to get home from the gym.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Let me be clear, it is important to consume protein after working out (obviously) but there is not 30 min or 1 hour critical control point. Most people seem to say if you do dose do it in like 6 hours but a constant influx of quality protein is most important. Chugging a wicked amount the minute you finish leads to a lot of wasted stuff that your body simply cannot metabolize that fast.

And no I am not a body builder but I played ice hockey well into and after college in semi-pro leagues and held my own at 210-220, so I am not some lab geek.

 

[NorthernLights88]

1. Literally anything with calories will make you fat if you eat too much of it.

2. I don't think the science backs that. Overwhelmingly what I have seen on the subject matches what 46&2 stated; regular protein and immediate sugar is more important. For what it's worth I was a wrestler, so I aimed for controlled bulk instead of absolute bulk, but I kept myself at 185 with a ~280 bench and ~600 squat, so I wasn't exactly small. I have no doubt that many heavy duty power lifters believe the protein immediately thing, but the science doesn't back it up.

You're telling me you squatted nearly 600 pounds while weaing 185 and having a bench of about 280? The bench is certainly realistic, but there's no way I buy the squat e-stat of about 600. The highest raw squat record I've found is 854.2 pounds, held by Stan Efferding. As far as the weight class around 185, in the 181.8 class, there's a record of 529.1 pounds set by Gleb Epelbaum. The next weight class is 198.4lbs, with a record of 601.8lbs by Victor Biryukov. So yeah, I don't believe you were pushing squatting records back in high school weighing 185 without training at the level of a pro.

If you're saying you benched 280 in high school weighing 185, I'm also skeptical about that. There's very few high school guys who can push close to the 300 range, and when they do, it's extremely impressive.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

Someone mentioned chocolate milk.

That's what I always drink after a weight training session.

As for the protein supplements, I don't use them, but I heard that Whey shit is good.

 

[NorthernLights88]

Let me be clear, it is important to consume protein after working out (obviously) but there is not 30 min or 1 hour critical control point. Most people seem to say if you do dose do it in like 6 hours but a constant influx of quality protein is most important. Chugging a wicked amount the minute you finish leads to a lot of wasted stuff that your body simply cannot metabolize that fast.

And no I am not a body builder but I played ice hockey well into and after college in semi-pro leagues and held my own at 210-220, so I am not some lab geek.

What is your source that says ingesting 30 grams of protein post lifting is a waste? Why wouldn't it be good to get started on the recovery right away, rather than wait several hours to start the process of giving your body the fuel?

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

I never said ti wasn't good. I said it was no better. Those are two different things. The supplement industry has a cult following that borders on a pyramid scheme. It's cool though. It's all capitalism

 

[seahawksfan234]

Whenever I lift I make quite possibly the most unhealthy milkshake with my whey protein. I honestly cannot stand the taste of the stuff so I mix it with icecream, milk, chocolate syrup and mix it in a blender so it taste decent.

Aside from that my diet consists of mostly lean meats and the occasional cheat meal.

 

[JDM]

You're telling me you squatted nearly 600 pounds while weaing 185 and having a bench of about 280? The bench is certainly realistic, but there's no way I buy the squat e-stat of about 600. The highest raw squat record I've found is 854.2 pounds, held by Stan Efferding. As far as the weight class around 185, in the 181.8 class, there's a record of 529.1 pounds set by Gleb Epelbaum. The next weight class is 198.4lbs, with a record of 601.8lbs by Victor Biryukov. So yeah, I don't believe you were pushing squatting records back in high school weighing 185 without training at the level of a pro.

If you're saying you benched 280 in high school weighing 185, I'm also skeptical about that. There's very few high school guys who can push close to the 300 range, and when they do, it's extremely impressive.

Thinking back the squat was probably at my football weight of 225-ish. I'm sure the form wasn't the best because my knees aren't in the best shape now, and I'm not going to bother convincing anyone because it really doesn't matter. It meant nothing to me. It was a means to the sport, same as running for hours and all the other miserable bullshit I had to do.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Someone mentioned chocolate milk.

That's what I always drink after a weight training session.

As for the protein supplements, I don't use them, but I heard that Whey shit is good.

Good for adding muscle? Yes.

Taste good? Fuck no.

I've tried just about every protein there is (spending a lot of money in the process) and I quite honestly hate the taste of all of them unless I mix it with so much stuff that I can no longer taste it anymore.