Predict Brock's contract

[CEH]

OK wannabe GMs, Brock is signed by Denver or whomever

For how long and for how much , signing bonus, guarantees etc

My SWAG

Denver


3 yrs $38 MM , $26 guaranteed,

Year one $16 MM ($14MM signing bonus)
Year two $11 MM
Year three $11 MM

 

[SpringStein]

Pretty funny, avatar there, Chris!!

 

[SpringStein]

OK wannabe GMs, Brock is signed by Denver or whomever

For how long and for how much , signing bonus, guarantees etc

My SWAG

Denver


3 yrs $38 MM , $26 guaranteed,

Year one $16 MM ($14MM signing bonus)
Year two $11 MM
Year three $11 MM

I said earlier, and will stick with it, my out there guess is 3 year $36,000,000 with 22 guaranteed. $12 MM bonus.

 

[nflbronco]

4 yrs 50,000,000 25 guaranteed

 

[randymon]

I would sign Von to multi yr contract and tag Oz. Your going to do it with Miller anyway and then you get your " prove it " with Oz this season. You'll prob lose Malik and Trev but you probably would anyway. Unless I'm missing something that would seem like the smart move to see if Oz is the guy. You also draft Dak or Hakenburg in draft. Why not ?

 

[TDs3nOut]

I would sign Von to multi yr contract and tag Oz. Your going to do it with Miller anyway and then you get your " prove it " with Oz this season. You'll prob lose Malik and Trev but you probably would anyway. Unless I'm missing something that would seem like the smart move to see if Oz is the guy. You also draft Dak or Hakenburg in draft. Why not ?

That makes no sense. Tagging Oz costs nearly $20 million. Tagging Miller, on the other hand, costs closer to $15 million.

Elway has tagged Prater, Clady, and Thomas. Each time he has signed the tagged player to an extension before the season has begun. I expect the same is forthcoming with Miller.

 

[SpiritOf77]

I said earlier, and will stick with it, my out there guess is 3 year $36,000,000 with 22 guaranteed. $12 MM bonus.

This is just about what I would say

I might take a 4 year deal, but with the guaranteed money coming in the first two

4 year $55,000,000
25 guaranteed

Not necessarily from the Broncos

 

[randymon]

I thought if you tagged Oz he wouldn't make much more than the Foles deal. I see no way that Oz is worth more than a 12 mil " show me " deal that he prob won't get much more than that if he left Denver. If anybody paid him much more than that then their idiots. He's still hasn't earned that pay scale consideration yet to me. Don't really get why you think he would fall in the 20 mil range on a tag when that's what Cousins would scale out to if they tagged him and he's shown a lot more than Oz has to this point. What am I missing ?

 

[Davis_Mike]

5 year $70 mil with $20 mil guaranteed.

-$15 mil signing bonus

Year 1 - $1 mil salary(guaranteed)
Year 2 - $4 mil salary(guaranteed)
Year 3 - $10 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus
Year 4 - $12 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus
Year 5 - $14 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus

Cap hits
16 - $4 mil
17 - $7 mil
18 - $17 mil
19 - $19 mil
20 - $21 mil

That leaves $2 mil to play with among the figures.


This basically gives Brock two seasons as the starter to prove himself at a low market rate for a starter. Then starting in 2018, league years 18-20, Denver will have the option to cut him when the new league year starts or basically guarantee his salary for that season by paying the roster bonus. Brock gets a yearly average of $10 mil for his first two seasons & then he forces Denver to cut or guaranteed his salary at the start of each league year with the roster bonuses. Basically, Brock would get a jump on free agency.

If Brock turns out to be a dud, starting in 18, Denver will take on a cap hit of $9 mil for cutting him which could be lowered to $4.5 mil if spread over 2 seasons. Basically, it would save Denver $12.5 mil in 18 & $14.5 mil in 19 if they cut ties with him before the 18 season.

This sounds like a reasonable contract for a talented but unproven QB on a great team.

 

[randymon]

5 year $70 mil with $20 mil guaranteed.

-$15 mil signing bonus

Year 1 - $1 mil salary(guaranteed)
Year 2 - $4 mil salary(guaranteed)
Year 3 - $10 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus
Year 4 - $12 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus
Year 5 - $14 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus

Cap hits
16 - $4 mil
17 - $7 mil
18 - $17 mil
19 - $19 mil
20 - $21 mil

That leaves $2 mil to play with among the figures.


This basically gives Brock two seasons as the starter to prove himself at a low market rate. Then starting in 2018, league years 18-20, Denver will have the option to cut him when the new league year starts or basically guarantee his salary for that season by paying the roster bonus. Brock gets a yearly average of $10 mil for his first two seasons & then he forces Denver to cut or guaranteed his salary at the start of each league year with the roster bonuses. Basically, Brock would get a jump on free agency.

This sounds like a reasonable contract for a talented but unproven QB on a great team.

Thanks Mike. So it is true he would prob get 20 mil if they tagged him? I'm assuming your post shows what he would get on a deal being made. Sorry, my brain is showing signs of malfunctioning lately and I am having a little more difficulty retaining and organizing things. Appreciate your help and the rest of you as well. So.....tag Oz would =.....?

 

[Davis_Mike]

Thanks Mike. So it is true he would prob get 20 mil if they tagged him? I'm assuming your post shows what he would get on a deal being made. Sorry, my brain is showing signs of malfunctioning lately and I am having a little more difficulty retaining and organizing things. Appreciate your help and the rest of you as well. So.....tag Oz would =.....?

My post was just what I think his contract will likely look like. Nothing to due with him possibly getting tagged. A tagged then extended contract would look a little different.

Around $19.6 mil will be the non-exclusive tag number when the 2016 salary cap number gets released. That is what all the estimates came up with. That amount is guaranteed the minute a player signs the tag. So tagging him & trying to work on a long term contract means that the guaranteed money in the contract will start at $19.6 mil & likely will end up being substantially more than contract I laid out.

 

[Davis_Mike]

What I should have said was that if you tag him & work out an extension contract, his signing bonus will start at the tag number & his guaranteed money would be substantially more than it is in the contract I intially laid out

 

[cdumler7]

Usually when the Broncos have worked out a long-term contract after tagging somebody they have figured out the guaranteed money based on what it would be if they tagged the player twice. So for Osweiler we are talking huge guaranteed money considering first year is $19.6 million and 2nd year would be $23.5 million. So in total guarantees we are looking at a contract with $43.1 million. Broncos are not going to do that.

Here is my best guess though of what they will do...

3-year $39 million contract ($13 million a year). They will guarantee about $20 million with maybe $12 million signing bonus.

1st year--Probably looking at a Cap Hit somewhere in the $10 million range
2nd year--$15 million
3rd year--$12 million.

The Broncos like the big cap hit to be in the 2nd year of the contract. Gives them room if they want to cut the player after the 2nd year and helps out in year 1 until the cap goes up quite a bit in the 2nd year.

 

[Mingo]

5 year $70 mil with $20 mil guaranteed.

-$15 mil signing bonus

Year 1 - $1 mil salary(guaranteed)
Year 2 - $4 mil salary(guaranteed)
Year 3 - $10 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus
Year 4 - $12 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus
Year 5 - $14 mil salary - $4 mil roster bonus

Cap hits
16 - $4 mil
17 - $7 mil
18 - $17 mil
19 - $19 mil
20 - $21 mil

That leaves $2 mil to play with among the figures.


This basically gives Brock two seasons as the starter to prove himself at a low market rate for a starter. Then starting in 2018, league years 18-20, Denver will have the option to cut him when the new league year starts or basically guarantee his salary for that season by paying the roster bonus. Brock gets a yearly average of $10 mil for his first two seasons & then he forces Denver to cut or guaranteed his salary at the start of each league year with the roster bonuses. Basically, Brock would get a jump on free agency.

If Brock turns out to be a dud, starting in 18, Denver will take on a cap hit of $9 mil for cutting him which could be lowered to $4.5 mil if spread over 2 seasons. Basically, it would save Denver $12.5 mil in 18 & $14.5 mil in 19 if they cut ties with him before the 18 season.

This sounds like a reasonable contract for a talented but unproven QB on a great team.

The Broncos don't like to create the dead money this deal would leave them with from year three on.

 

[SpringStein]

The Broncos don't like to create the dead money this deal would leave them with from year three on.

There would be $4 MM in year three and none after that. You pessimist in thinking Brock won't be the guy!!

 

[CEH]

The Broncos don't like to create the dead money this deal would leave them with from year three on.

If I read his post correctly cap hit is not dead money . Dead money would be how they spread out the signing bonus and guaranteed money which can all be accounted for in the first 2 years.

Cap hit would be if he is on the roster. Manning has a sap hit in 2016 of $19MM if he is on the roster March 9th
If he is cut or retires no hit.

 

[CEH]

There would be $4 MM in hear three and none after that. You pessimist in thinking Brock won't be the guy!!

year two not three?

 

[Mingo]

There would be $4 MM in hear three and none after that. You pessimist in thinking Brock won't be the guy!!

He could get hurt, or go insane.

Maybe I'm counting wrong how the $15 million in bonus will go - prorata it is at $3 Million a year over 5 years. In year three - there is still $9 million in bonus not accounted for by the salary cap - if the cut him in Year 3 - they would owe $9 million in dead money -right?

 

[Mingo]

A signing bonus - fellas is due at signing. To me if you have signing bonus - you get your $15 million bucks when you sign - the cap spreads it out - if the person is not on the roster - it all becomes due.

I certainly agree with you Oz would need to tie some bonus to the roster dates - for future salary cap reasons.

 

[SpringStein]

I read it that there would be a $12 MM bonus. Typically that is spread over the life of the contract. So $4MM per year. If he was cut after two years, we wouldn't owe him on his salary, just that bonus.

I've been wrong just a feeeeww times before though...